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Since Islam is not the global religion of the AntiChrist, it must fall before his reign begins. But how will this occur? It seems that Islam remains a barrier to building a Cathedral (Temple) on the Temple Mount and does not fit the biblical pattern of prophecy relating to the Israel of the last days.

Reasons to reject Islam as the religion of the AntiChrist were explored in a previous thread:

Anti-Christ Muslim - Islam and the End

To summarise these reasons were:

1) NOT UNIVERSAL: Islam does not have the universal traction that a more secular worldview could achieve. The unbelievers die or are burnt in hell fire. This is not an all paths lead to the Dragon theology, it is partisan and belligerent. Hinduism is incompatible with Islam for instance and Muslims have managed to put the backs up of vast swathes of the Christian world by terrorism, kidnap and murder of Christians.
2) DIFFERENT CHARACTER: there is a difference between the Muslim portrayal of Mahdi and Isa and the Beast and False Prophet of Revelation. They do not exalt themselves and demand that people worship them.
3) TOO PARTISAN: Islam is perhaps too antagonistic and partisan to be the global religion of the AntiChrist. Hindus and most Christians would never subscribe to it and Western Liberal Atheists would have issue with its assault on freedoms for instance.
4) GLOBAL SUCCESS IS UNLIKELY: Muslim countries are more impoverished compared to Christian countries, so lower military spending, technology and might. Their message is not compatible with vast swathes of global culture. With increasing information transparency the possibility of oppression of dissent is less and less likely and there are signs of major divisions and upheaval inside the Muslim world
5) LACK OF MORAL LEGITIMACY: Terrorism, kidnappings, endless wars and infighting and murders can all too easily be associated with Muslims.

If Islam has to fall before the end time scenario kicks off then we still have some time as this has not happened yet.

Is there anything in scripture to indicate how Islam will be broken and fall away from significance in the Middle Eastern region. Various scenarios appear possible to me:

1) CIVIL WAR: War between Sunni and Shia leading to massive casualties and a discrediting of both.
2) WATER & HEALTH: Water shortages due to overpopulation and/or plagues, famines and disasters.
3) CONVERSION: Conversion due to increasing availability of information in Muslim world and evangelistic efforts by indigenous churches or external missionaries.
4) WAR WITH EXTERNAL: War with West or China leading to annihilation.
5) ACT OF GOD: Asteroid strike on Mecca or major earthquake that flattens great mosque. Some kind of Divine intervention that knocks the heart out of the religion.
6) SLOW FADE: Corruption due to infiltration of Liberal ideas from West for example.
7) END OF OIL ECONOMY: Whether by conversion or alternative energy sources or because oil runs out main source of revenues in Muslim world will try up, their economies collapse and this will discredit Islam.
 
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Since Islam is not the global religion of the AntiChrist, it must fall before his reign begins. But how will this occur? It seems that Islam remains a barrier to building a Cathedral (Temple) on the Temple Mount and does not fit the biblical pattern of prophecy relating to the Israel of the last days.

Reasons to reject Islam as the religion of the AntiChrist were explored in a previous thread:

Anti-Christ Muslim - Islam and the End

To summarise these reasons were:

1) NOT UNIVERSAL: Islam does not have the universal traction that a more secular worldview could achieve. The unbelievers die or are burnt in hell fire. This is not an all paths lead to the Dragon theology, it is partisan and belligerent. Hinduism is incompatible with Islam for instance and Muslims have managed to put the backs up of vast swathes of the Christian world by terrorism, kidnap and murder of Christians.
2) DIFFERENT CHARACTER: there is a difference between the Muslim portrayal of Mahdi and Isa and the Beast and False Prophet of Revelation. They do not exalt themselves and demand that people worship them.
3) TOO PARTISAN: Islam is perhaps too antagonistic and partisan to be the global religion of the AntiChrist. Hindus and most Christians would never subscribe to it and Western Liberal Atheists would have issue with its assault on freedoms for instance.
4) GLOBAL SUCCESS IS UNLIKELY: Muslim countries are more impoverished compared to Christian countries, so lower military spending, technology and might. Their message is not compatible with vast swathes of global culture. With increasing information transparency the possibility of oppression of dissent is less and less likely and there are signs of major divisions and upheaval inside the Muslim world
5) LACK OF MORAL LEGITIMACY: Terrorism, kidnappings, endless wars and infighting and murders can all too easily be associated with Muslims.

If Islam has to fall before the end time scenario kicks off then we still have some time as this has not happened yet.

Is there anything in scripture to indicate how Islam will be broken and fall away from significance in the Middle Eastern region. Various scenarios appear possible to me:

1) CIVIL WAR: War between Sunni and Shia leading to massive casualties and a discrediting of both.
2) WATER & HEALTH: Water shortages due to overpopulation and/or plagues, famines and disasters.
3) CONVERSION: Conversion due to increasing availability of information in Muslim world and evangelistic efforts by indigenous churches or external missionaries.
4) WAR WITH EXTERNAL: War with West or China leading to annihilation.
5) ACT OF GOD: Asteroid strike on Mecca or major earthquake that flattens great mosque. Some kind of Divine intervention that knocks the heart out of the religion.
6) SLOW FADE: Corruption due to infiltration of Liberal ideas from West for example.

The bible doesn't speak to Islam. But Islam is anti-Christian. By that I mean that Mohammed learned the teachings of Christianity and rejected the Church to the point of accepting anything the Church rejected and rejecting anything the Church accepted. The stories of Jesus in the Quran come from heretical books the Church rejected. Those books, or the legend of those books, are the source of the "Injil" within Islam. Even the Muslim view of paradise and seventy two virgins comes from Christianity's rejection of Millennialism.
 
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The bible doesn't speak to Islam. But Islam is anti-Christian. By that I mean that Mohammed learned the teachings of Christianity and rejected the Church to the point of accepting anything the Church rejected and rejecting anything the Church accepted. The stories of Jesus in the Quran come from heretical books the Church rejected. Those books, or the legend of those books, are the source of the "Injil" within Islam. Even the Muslim view of paradise and seventy two virgins comes from Christianity's rejection of Millennialism.

That Islam is a faded or heretical copy of Christian ideas as well as antagonistic to the true gospel is not in dispute. How will it fall?

There is a sense in which all lies are eventually exposed and discredited and those processes will apply to islam as they did to Communism and Roman Paganism before it.

Is there anything direct in scripture to point to the destruction of Islam or must this just be regarded as just another false religion bound to break and fade away in time like all the other religions that came before it?
 
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Since Islam is not the global religion of the AntiChrist, it must fall before his reign begins. But how will this occur?
Psalms 83 is the main prophecy about the demise of the Islamic peoples.

Isaiah 29:5-8 But, your enemies will become like dust, those ruthless hordes, like blown chaff. Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord Almighty, with earthquakes, thunder, storms and a blaze of devouring fire. All the nations warring against Mt Zion, will vanish, as a dream, like one who is hungry or thirsty; then wakes to find himself empty, so it will be with all those nations attacking Israel. Malachi 4:3

The fire judgement on the Middle East, striking ‘in an instant’, will be a Coronal Mass Ejection: a sunstrike of unprecedented magnitude and is the next prophesied event we can expect, the Sixth Seal event.
It is the Day that will ‘come as a thief’, sudden and unexpectedly. Zechariah 3:9, Isaiah 10:17 It is quite a different event to what is described about the attack and destruction of Gog or of Armageddon, both to come later, respectively.
Isaiah 34:5, Isaiah 30:25-28 & 30, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18,

The regeneration of the Middle East: Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Amos 9:13-15

Isaiah 29:17-21 In a very short time, the Land will be made prosperous again. On that Day, the deaf will hear and the blind will see and the lowly and poor will exult in the Holy One of Israel. The ruthless and evil peoples will be gone, all who practice falsehood will be cut down.
Isaiah 66:12-17, Psalms 107:1-43, Jeremiah 33:12-13
 
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Since Islam is not the global religion of the AntiChrist, it must fall before his reign begins. But how will this occur?
The Gog/Magog event will be the end of Islam.
 
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Psalms 83 is the main prophecy about the demise of the Islamic peoples.

That is a really good find:

Do not keep silent, O God!
Do not hold Your peace,
And do not be still, O God!
2 For behold, Your enemies make a tumult;
And those who hate You have lifted up their head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against Your people,
And consulted together against Your sheltered ones.
4 They have said, “Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation,
That the name of Israel may be remembered no more.”

5 For they have consulted together with one consent;
They form a confederacy against You:
6 The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites;
Moab and the Hagrites;
7 Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek;
Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8 Assyria also has joined with them;
They have helped the children of Lot. Selah

9 Deal with them as with Midian,
As with Sisera,
As with Jabin at the Brook Kishon,
10 Who perished at En Dor,
Who became as refuse on the earth.
11 Make their nobles like Oreb and like Zeeb,
Yes, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,
12 Who said, “Let us take for ourselves
The pastures of God for a possession.”

13 O my God, make them like the whirling dust,
Like the chaff before the wind!
14 As the fire burns the woods,
And as the flame sets the mountains on fire,
15 So pursue them with Your tempest,
And frighten them with Your storm.
16 Fill their faces with shame,
That they may seek Your name, O Lord.
17 Let them be confounded and dismayed forever;
Yes, let them be put to shame and perish,
18 That they may know that You, whose name alone is the Lord,
Are the Most High over all the earth.

The references are mainly to countries that are now associated with Islam. Indeed today it is Islam that unites them. I was trying to work out whether this psalm would also have worked against the Sassines when they attacked and concluded no because the provinces mentioned were Christian parts of the Byzantine empire at the time. It was historically true also at the time of the Assyrian Ascendency but it is only in modern times that all these nations come together in a broad Islamic coalition. The various Arab wars have indeed included most of them. If we think on terms of ancient prophecy as typologies for future ones then the echo is too powerful to ignore here.
 
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Isaiah 29:5-8 But, your enemies will become like dust, those ruthless hordes, like blown chaff. Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord Almighty, with earthquakes, thunder, storms and a blaze of devouring fire. All the nations warring against Mt Zion, will vanish, as a dream, like one who is hungry or thirsty; then wakes to find himself empty, so it will be with all those nations attacking Israel. Malachi 4:3

The fire judgement on the Middle East, striking ‘in an instant’, will be a Coronal Mass Ejection: a sunstrike of unprecedented magnitude and is the next prophesied event we can expect, the Sixth Seal event.
It is the Day that will ‘come as a thief’, sudden and unexpectedly. Zechariah 3:9, Isaiah 10:17 It is quite a different event to what is described about the attack and destruction of Gog or of Armageddon, both to come later, respectively.
Isaiah 34:5, Isaiah 30:25-28 & 30, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18,

The regeneration of the Middle East: Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Amos 9:13-15

Isaiah 29:17-21 In a very short time, the Land will be made prosperous again. On that Day, the deaf will hear and the blind will see and the lowly and poor will exult in the Holy One of Israel. The ruthless and evil peoples will be gone, all who practice falsehood will be cut down.
Isaiah 66:12-17, Psalms 107:1-43, Jeremiah 33:12-13

A Coronal Mass Ejection! Wow well that is a new one for me. One that spares Israel but strikes all its enemies around would have to be supernaturally guided.

So you separate this event from the God Magog prophecy event.

But this could occur many years before the reign of the AC indeed would have to be so for the events to fully unfold as predicted. The demolition of the Mosques on the Temple Mount would require that Islam was de Facto defunct in fact. This would take years to out work
 
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Hi all of antichrst and his power and influence carries on until Jesus comes as king of kings and LORD of LORDS. Now your conclusion that Islam is the religion of antichrist is off and I would agree however that Islam is certainly an anitchrist religion. You see this is Luciferianism and the new agers, masonic mystery religions and Jesuits and many other groups are building the infrastructure for the beast to take over the world.

This beast will hate Jews and Christians and will behead them so that is where the idea that he is Islamic comes from. But he will not be saying that Allah is God and Mohamed is his prophet. He will exalt himself above all and declare himself to be above all that is God. Under his reign people will not repent of their sexual immorality and in Islam they are opposed to the LGTBQ stuff but they are aligned politically with them now under the idea that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. They are aligned against Christianity.

Now the new age prophets are expecting the age of Aquarius to come and many of their prophets are on record saying that millions of people will vanish off the face of the earth and those who vanish will be the ones who are holding the earth back and not ready for the coming evolution into higher consciousness. This is where the beast will unify those with great deception and lying signs and wonders. Many think
there is an ET tie in as the strange thing is when this guy exalts himself above God most believe him.

Now as for how and when the Temple is brought back we know it will be and the man of sin will be revealed in it. The Bible notes that the outer court was not to be counted and that it is given to the Gentiles. Guys debate this but it is one that will be 20/20 after it has happened and we can stand solid knowing it will get built and not worry about those details as they will work out according to God's will. The beast wants to commit the abomination of desolation and leading NWO families like the Rothchiild's have had a lot to do with the Zionist movement and modern Israel rising. This will play out like JUdas who was also possessed by Satan and Jesus told him what you do do quickly. Satan will play out his roll possessing the man who is the beast aka antichrist and it will all play out to the great day and the 2nd coming of Jesus. This is a glorious certainty..
 
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The Gog/Magog event will be the end of Islam.
Islam will be discredited and their holy place at Mecca and on the Temple Mount, will be gone before the G/M attack, which comes from the North.
They will not come for the Muslim cause, they are forced to do it by God. Ezekiel 38:3
A Coronal Mass Ejection! Wow well that is a new one for me. One that spares Israel but strikes all its enemies around would have to be supernaturally guided.

So you separate this event from the God Magog prophecy event.
It will be the Sixth Seal; the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, by fire from the sun, as Isaiah 30:26a proves. A natural disaster, but we Christians will know the Lord instigates it. More on CME's at logostelos.info

The current Jewish State of Israel will not be spared. Zephaniah 1:1-18, Isaiah 29:1-3, Ezekiel 21:1-7

The people who Gog will attack will not be those who are there now, relying on their own strength. They will be all of the faithful Christian peoples, who will rely on the Lord for their protection.
 
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Since Islam is not the global religion of the AntiChrist, it must fall before his reign begins. But how will this occur? It seems that Islam remains a barrier to building a Cathedral (Temple) on the Temple Mount and does not fit the biblical pattern of prophecy relating to the Israel of the last days.
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Hi mindlight,

No religion as we name them is the global religion. However the global moral laws, (religion) is propagated by the UN, (United nations). It is a religion of `mother earth,` saving the planet, `we can transform the world,` etc. We must be respectful, tolerant, and inclusive, etc etc of all beliefs, sexual preferences etc etc. Now all other religions have come together under that umbrella. Thus she (UN) is called the mother of harlots, of all the other false religions.

Note that `religion gets done away with by the 10 kings for only worship of the global leader is acceptable. And that person is of Islam. it certainly does NOT get done away with for the peace maker deceives the others. (Dan. 8: 23 - 25)

Marilyn.
 
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