Anti-Christ Muslim Islam and the End

Jeffwhosoever · Jul 5, 2021

Andrewn said:
I watched the series. Of course, it's pure fiction. This false Messiah could not heal the 2 sick people who went to him. As far as the last scene is concerned, all passengers died in the plane crash, including the false Messiah. It shows them getting up, but this is for the afterlife.

The tragedy in this very well-executed series is that Christians believed in him and followed him. This is sad, indeed, if Christians follow the future false Messiah.

I recommend watching it.

I'm watching it a second time. The cool thing is at least on Google I saw around 15,000 atheists saying they were reading the Bible after seeing this series, so whatever the intended goal, which was likely pure profit, it seemed to have a good side benefit of drawing attention of the masses at least to consider Scripture.
A debate on Google was over who the main character was supposed to be. One guy pointed out (correctly) that Jesus would have healed that little girl with cancer, and would not let her die. Also, my son thought shooting the dog was not something the Lord would ever do. We'll never know what they intended with that last scene. I assumed the Messiah had survived uninjured and was resurrecting the others including his Jewish Mussad captor who had in his last moments regretted killing the kid in torture. It was clearly a cliffhanger designed to attract interest in the 2nd year, but thanks to the Islam rebellion, Netflix cancelled it rather than face more criticism from Muslims. It seems everyone assumed he main character was either the false messiah or the antichrist, so the Muslims were mad the "Messiah" was being portrayed as Muslim, at least in appearance. He claimed to be Jewish at one point, so not so clear to me the main character was a real Muslim at all, though he certainly was middle Eastern.

I thought no matter how fictional, it was at the very least more interesting than the vast majority of stuff I see on Netflix or TV in general.

I recommend it too. Just know in advance its not biblical, but it deals with biblical themes. The walking on water scene made the hair on my neck stand up. Amazing how many in the crowd saw it and still didn't believe what they saw with their own eyes, but I guess that is just mankind. Our Lord performed so many miracles and yet most of the Jews didn't believe what they saw with their own eyes either.

Jeffwhosoever · Jul 5, 2021

keras said:
There is no mention of Islam in Bible prophecy, or any other of the myriad of false religions that abound today.
The only other religion is in Revelation 17:16-18 and 18:1-8, slated for destruction in the end times.

Then; the Anti-Christ will demand on pain of death; worship of himself.
Not Mahomed or any other false deity.

Agreed. Besides, there are a LOT of other non-Christian religions around the world besides Islam. Buddism, Hinduism, and Universal Unitarians plus atheists and even Satan worshippers/Wiccans and such, though I hear most of them are really just atheists using the Satanic church label to make their statement. Dangerous business, because there are real Satan worshippers out there, and they are messing with forces they grossly underestimate. We all know Satan and demons are real, and nothing to play around with, but apparently they don't. All signs of the end, if you ask me. Like a Colonel I met fresh from Afghanistan in 2011, I don't think this world can last another 30 years.

mindlight · Jul 6, 2021

Douggg said:
It is relating to Russia. And there are allies which are muslim countries. Persia (Israel), Libya, Ethiopia in Ezekiel 38:5

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

Those early Christians were going by Revelation, and the persecution they were suffering. And the times they were living in. I agree. But Nero, king 6, was not the beast.

The beast has to be the future king 7, the little horn person, who when he comes must continue the short space, i.e. as the beast for 42 months.

The person who becomes the Antichrist must be a Jew. But in his bloodline, he must also be descended from the Julio-Claudian line of Caesars - which Nero, king 6, was the historic last of line.

Julius Caesar
Tiberius
Augustus Caesar
Caligula
Claudius
Nero

the little horn person (who must continue the short space of 42 months as the beast)

the beast

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The number of the Beast was numbered taking the Hebrew wording of Neros name. Since Nero was not a Jew it is clear that John and the early church saw no necessity of Jewish heritage there for the AntiChrist.

mindlight · Jul 6, 2021

Andrewn said:
As First John explains, there have been many Antichrists throughout history. Nero was certainly one of them and there are many living now. This 2 minute video explains it:

Ask Dr. Youssef: “What Are Your Views on the End Times?”

As for the end-time Antichrist, he is referred to as Gog ruler of Magog, which is Turkey an Islamic country.

That video in essence said that tribulation was a normal feature of the churches experience. Whatever form it takes Christ is with us. I agree with that but it had nothing to do with the AntiChrist.

mindlight · Jul 6, 2021

Matt5 said:
Stunning research suggest the [Islamic] Mahdi and the Antichrist may actually be the same - YouTube

It is an interesting take on Muslim eschatology and gives some solid links with Christian eschatological expectations:

1) The Muslim Mahdi is a mortal man, an Imman who will rule in the last days.
2) Jesus is his side kick and points people to Islam. He breaks the cross.
3) He will rule from Jerusalem
4) He will reintroduce the temple and the sacrifice system.

As previously stated the Islamic faith is deeply anti-Christian in its core texts regarding Incarnation, Trinity and Redemption and here we have an eschatology which echoes the dark side expectations of Christian eschatology.

The (Islamic) Mahdi is the first beast. Jesus (Islamic version) is the second beast. Both are demons in human form. Both promote Islam. Watch the video.

The Islamic Jesus fools the foolish virgins so they join Islam in order to avoid death.

There is nothing in the video to suggest the Muslim or Christian expectation is that these people will be manifested demons in human form. There is a clear demonic involvement with both but they are human.

Not sure the parable of the foolish virgins applies here as it refers to women who were not ready for the Messiah when he came. They did not get who the Messiah was wrong as do Muslims.

mindlight · Jul 6, 2021

Douggg said:
That theory has been around for at least 20 years. One of the problems with it there is no counter part in the bible to be the role of the dajjal (the muslim version of the Antichrist). The dajjal is supposed to have one bulging eye, a hairy back, and kaffur written on his forehead.

The muslim Jesus, Isa, in muslim belief doesn't appear until the climatic battle between the Mahid forces and the dajjal forces - which Jesus, Isa, comes to destroy the dajjal. He is also supposed to destroy all the Christians for saying he is God.

So the false prophet cannot be a match for the muslim Jesus, Isa, because the false prophet is around for 42 months as the beast's religious leader.

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The muslim just did a take off of Christian eschatology, did their own twist, and came up with their own made up version.

It is clear that Muslim eschatology is a response to the Christian understanding of the end times as it comes later and echoes many of its key themes.

Interesting reference to the dajjal.

Al-Masih ad-Dajjal - Wikipedia

This picture of the end times is not compatible with a Dispensationalist theology, but not all Christians subscribe to that. I was interested to read in the above link that the dajjal was associated with Christian missionaries in many Muslims minds. In which case this Muslim eschatological pictures does fit the broad Christian eschatology and expectation of an anti Christian beast and false prophet with the dajjal representing Christians and their opposition to the beast and false prophet. The breaking of the cross and the denial therefore of its redemptive sacrifice and then the call for Christians to leave the faith and follow the false prophet Muhammed is also clear evidence of deceit and evil here.

Sorry but this reinforces the association of AntiChrist with Islam.

mindlight · Jul 6, 2021

keras said:
I believe that Islam will be mostly destroyed and discredited after the Lord's Day of vengeance and fiery wrath. Amos 1, Ezekiel 30:1-5, +
None of the other religions, Hindu, Buddhist, etc, have any part to play in the last days.

It will be a secular One world govt, that will be formed after that Day. Only as one powerful man takes over, he will demand worship of himself.
Unlikely he will be Jewish, as they are mostly gone too. Amos 2:4-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 9:27

Not sure these verses actually say that. There is a considerable amount of interpretation here which you have stated not explained.

My reservation relating to Islam being the religion of the AntiChrist is that it does not have the universal traction that a more secular worldview could achieve. The unbelievers die or are burnt in hell fire. This is not an all paths lead to the Dragon theology, it is partisan and belligerent. Hinduism is incompatible with Islam for instance and Muslims have managed to put the backs up of vast swathes of the Christian world by terrorism, kidnap and murder of Christians.

I agree there is no necessity that he is Jewish. But to say that there are simply not enough Jews to fulfil the role is false.

mindlight · Jul 6, 2021

Douggg said:
Joel Richardson the presenter of that video is a Jew. It is very difficult for some Jews to think that the Antichrist could be a Jew...although he must be to even become the Antichrist - i.e. King of Israel messiah instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel who came in the name of the Lord.

Instead of focusing on why the Antichrist must be a Jew and the scriptures why, Joel in this video is saying that views that the Antichrist will be Jew is promoting antisemitism - which to me is non-sense.

Joel Richardson is saying that the idea that the AC is a Jew is false and a symptom of structural and systemic anti-Semitic. He thinks the AC is a Muslim dictator from Turkey.

Some ECFs view AC would be Jewish but others did not, there is no clear picture there and a lot of newspaper exegesis.
Some said for example that the AC would come out of the pagan Roman Empire others from Syria (Assyrian)
AntiSemitism of the Early church was a major example of how it had strayed from the apostolic teachings and had become OT illiterate. Replacement theology is a false theology. Luther has a big responsibility for these errors, rejection of book of James and his pronouncements on Jews.

Biblical portrayal of AC is of a gentile who is opposed to God's people, who desecrates the temple. No scriptural basis for the idea he would come out of the tribe of Dan.

The Messiah, 'the crushing one', who tramples the serpent underfoot. Enmity between Satans spiritual descendants and the spiritual descendants of the woman. Cain murders Abel, Seth becomes the righteous line and we are Abrahams children when we echo his obedience and faith in God.
Balam makes various messianic prophecies. He blesses Israel rather than curses them as requested by Balak King of Moab. This conflict persists all the way to the end times with Messiah v AntiChrist.

Jewish nationalistic Zionists v Messianic Jews. Muslims want to destroy Jewish dominance of the land. But the views tend to an extreme that means that a Messianic Jewish community in Israel would be threatened by Muslim dominance, Therefore the state of Israel for all its failures remains necessary to preserve the true Jewish remnant there. Jesus is coming back to save his people whether Jewish or grafted in gentiles not to condemn them.

Much modern day assertion of a Jewish AntiChrist is an affirmation of a systematic attempt by Muslims to restore Muslim dominance of the land of Israel. In a sense it may itself be a symptom of anti Semitic and even Anti Christian thinking.

Col 2:8

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Douggg · Jul 6, 2021

mindlight said:
The number of the Beast was numbered taking the Hebrew wording of Neros name. Since Nero was not a Jew it is clear that John and the early church saw no necessity of Jewish heritage there for the AntiChrist.

I think the early church did understand that the Antichrist had to be Jewish, because in 1John2:18, John said that they were already aware that Antichrist was coming.

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

And the only basis for (Anti)Christ they would have had was the concept of Christ, as being the King of Israel, and Jesus saying that he came in his father's name and they rejected him, but another coming in his own name they would receive in John 5:43.

Which, I would point out both the epistle of 1John and in the gospel of John 5:43 - are by John. John apparently was at least the main one (there were probably others) spreading the word that Antichrist was coming - that them in 1John2:18 had heard already about the Antichrist coming.

Islam was not around at the time 1John2:18 was written. And there is nothing to indicate that the person would not be anything but a Jew... as only a Jew can be the Christ.

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The muslim Mahdi as the beast, suggesting that Muslims will follow him at that stage does not line up with the principles of Islam - because the muslims believe that no man can be God - which the beast will be worshiped in his claim of being God.

The Mahdi is just a super muslim figure, who the shia believe is the 12th Iman. The sunni and the shia differ somewhat on the Mahdi.

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The bible account of the person:
1. as the beast he will be worshiped
2. the false prophet is present for 42 months before Jesus's return.

The muslim account of the Mahdi:
1. he will not be worshiped
2. Isa will not appear until the final battle. Therefore the muslim Isa cannot be the false prophet.

mindlight · Jul 6, 2021

Jeffwhosoever said:
Anyone watch this besides me?
https://www.netflix.com/title/80117557

I think this series was headed towards the main character being the false prophet.

Jordon banned the series, and the Islamic community raised so much consternation that Netflix canned the series.

I was 100% sold on the character being the false messiah until the last show, but the raising people from the dead made me wonder.

Netflix claims it is pure fiction, but if you watch it, you cannot help but see it being based on Scripture to some extent. Not claiming its accurate on a biblical basis, but it sure isn't made up from nothing either.

I watched this. My impression was that it was deeply challenging of the modern Western Christology and that challenge was a helpful one. But this was not the Messiah of scripture nor a Second Coming. It provokes a lot of the right questions for the church today but is not doctrinally or biblically correct.

Douggg · Jul 6, 2021

mindlight said:
Joel Richardson is saying that the idea that the AC is a Jew is false and a symptom of structural and systemic anti-Semitic. He thinks the AC is a Muslim dictator from Turkey.

I have made over 10,000 posts at Jewish sites, who the Jews there likewise can't believe that a Jew, one of their own, could possibly do such things that the Antichrist will do. They cannot come to grips emotionally, psychologically, that a Jew can be the Antichrist. Well, first of all they deny there will be any "Antichrist", as it is in the Christian bible and not in the Tanach.

The anti-semitic claim that Christians saying the Antichrist will be a Jew is not at the root of antisemitism. What is actually at the root of antisemitism is their ancestors' rejection of Jesus as the messiah - and perpetuating it down through the generations... in the unkind words they say against Jesus and Christians. Mostly by their rabbinic leadership.

Of course, there has been the unwarranted persecution of the Jews by Christians and others, that the Jews are right about antisemitism in that regards. But saying that a Jew will be the Antichrist is not systemically antisemitic.

And Joel's argument does not change what the bible says about the person - that the person has to be a Jew. It is a lot easier for a Christian with a Jewish background to paint the Antichrist as a muslim, than acknowledge that he will be a Jew.

mindlight · Jul 6, 2021

Douggg said:
I have made over 10,000 posts at Jewish sites, who the Jews there likewise can't believe that a Jew, one of their own, could possibly do such things that the Antichrist will do. They cannot come to grips emotionally, psychologically, that a Jew can be the Antichrist. Well, first of all they deny there will be any "Antichrist", as it is in the Christian bible and not in the Tanach.

The anti-semitic claim that Christians saying the Antichrist will be a Jew is not at the root of antisemitism. What is actually at the root of antisemitism is their ancestors' rejection of Jesus as the messiah - and perpetuating it down through the generations... in the unkind words they say against Jesus and Christians. Mostly by their rabbinic leadership.

Of course, there has been the unwarranted persecution of the Jews by Christians and others, that the Jews are right about antisemitism in that regards. But saying that a Jew will be the Antichrist is not systemically antisemitic.

And Joel's argument does not change what the bible says about the person - that the person has to be a Jew. It is a lot easier for a Christian with a Jewish background to paint the Antichrist as a muslim, than acknowledge that he will be a Jew.

There is nothing in scripture that forces the view the AntiChrist is a Jew. You have asserted this throughout the thread without demonstrating it.

Joel was talking about the effort of Protestants to recover the true patterns and teachings of the early church. One major detour taking shortly after the apostles was the rejection of all things Jewish. Luther at the Reformation repeated this ignorance and rejection in asserting that the most Jewish book of the NT James made no sense to him and in his pronouncements against Jews also. A more plausible root of the view that the AC is a Jew is modern Muslim antisemitism and hatred of the state of Israel. Following the holocaust and the restoration of the Jews to Israel and the rise of Messianic Jewish congregations this replacement theology is increasingly challenged and a better balance has been achieved in Christian thinking about the Jews.

mindlight · Jul 6, 2021

Douggg said:
I think the early church did understand that the Antichrist had to be Jewish, because in 1John2:18, John said that they were already aware that Antichrist was coming.

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

And the only basis for (Anti)Christ they would have had was the concept of Christ, as being the King of Israel, and Jesus saying that he came in his father's name and they rejected him, but another coming in his own name they would receive in John 5:43.

Which, I would point out both the epistle of 1John and in the gospel of John 5:43 - are by John. John apparently was at least the main one (there were probably others) spreading the word that Antichrist was coming - that them in 1John2:18 had heard already about the Antichrist coming.

Islam was not around at the time 1John2:18 was written. And there is nothing to indicate that the person would not be anything but a Jew... as only a Jew can be the Christ.

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The muslim Mahdi as the beast, suggesting that Muslims will follow him at that stage does not line up with the principles of Islam - because the muslims believe that no man can be God - which the beast will be worshiped in his claim of being God.

The Mahdi is just a super muslim figure, who the shia believe is the 12th Iman. The sunni and the shia differ somewhat on the Mahdi.

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The bible account of the person:
1. as the beast he will be worshiped
2. the false prophet is present for 42 months before Jesus's return.

The muslim account of the Mahdi:
1. he will not be worshiped
2. Isa will not appear until the final battle. Therefore the muslim Isa cannot be the false prophet.

Yes there is a difference between the Muslim portrayal of Mahdi and Isa and the Beast and False Prophet of Revelation. Also Islam is perhaps too antagonistic and partisan to be the global religion of the AntiChrist. Hindus and most Christians would never subscribe to it and Western Liberal Atheists would have issue with its assault on freedoms for instance.

Douggg · Jul 6, 2021

mindlight said:
There is nothing in scripture that forces the view the AntiChrist is a Jew. You have asserted this throughout the thread without demonstrating it.

I have been demonstrating that the Antichrist will be a Jew, by showing that the concept, function, of the Christ is as the King of Israel descended from David. The Christ has to be a Jew. The Christ cannot be a gentile, a non Jew.

There are numerous passages in the gospels that Jesus was promised the King of Israel, but was rejected by that generation of Jews as there King of Israel, messiah.

"AntiChrist" is just a combination of the prefix "Anti" and "Christ".

"Anti" is a prefix meaning "instead of" and/or "against". In the case of the Antichrist, both instead of and against, Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

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Which in Revelation, the term Antichrist does not appear - because as the beast, the person will no longer be the King of Israel.

The gospel of John5:43, the epistle of 1John2:18, and Revelation - all are by John.

Since John was speaking about the Antichrist shall come in 1John2:18 and basing it on John5:43 - then wouldn't it make sense that the same John would have used the term "Antichrist" in Revelation 13?

But John doesn't in Revelation 13, because being the beast is after the person will have gone through his "Antichrist" stage, perceived King of Israel, messiah

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The reason the person will no longer be the Antichrist, perceived King of Israel, messiah - is that he will go into the temple, sit, claim to have achieved God-hood.

Which will mortify the Jews and they will renounce him as being their King of Israel - ending his time as the Antichrist.

Following that episode, the person will be killed and brought back to life - as the beast (no longer the Antichrist). Which is why the person is not called the Antichrist in Revelation, because Revelation deals with the person mostly in the second half of the seven years - during which time he is the beast and no longer the Antichrist.

first, little horn - leader of the Roman Empire end times - the EU
then, Antichrist - phony King of Israel
then, beast - dictator of the Roman Empire end times - the EU

little horn-----> Antichrist --------> beast

not....

little horn (Antichrist)------> Antichrist (Antichrist)-------> beast (Antichrist)

correct....

little horn........who becomes > the Antichrist......who becomes> the beast

To handle the challenging issue of how to talk about the person - I usually say "the person" when referring to him in the broad sense. And the Antichrist, King of Israel messiah coming in his own name in the specific sense of being the Antichrist.

And as the little horn, who becomes the Antichrist and later the beast, in the specific sense.

Douggg · Jul 6, 2021

mindlight said:
Also Islam is perhaps too antagonistic and partisan to be the global religion of the AntiChrist

And Islam does not have the military might to exert itself over the non-muslim world. And is not appealing to the rest of the world.

keras · Jul 6, 2021

Douggg said:
The reason the person will no longer be the Antichrist, perceived King of Israel, messiah - is that he will go into the temple, sit, claim to have achieved God-hood.

Which will mortify the Jews and they will renounce him as being their King of Israel - ending his time as the Antichrist.

Your constant promotion of theories that are not supported by Bible Prophecy, is very sad and may make things hard for you in the future.

Firstly, the current Jewish State of Israel will no longer exist after the Lord has sent His fiery wrath upon the entire Middle East. Zephaniah 1:1-18 & 2:1-13 & 3:1-8
Then, after a short time all the faithful People of God will gather in all of the holy Land. They will elect their own leader. Hosea 1:11, Jeremiah 30:21
This is what the Prophets tell us will happen, ample scripture supports it.

Douggg · Jul 6, 2021

keras said:
Firstly, the current Jewish State of Israel will no longer exist after the Lord has sent His fiery wrath upon the entire Middle East. Zephaniah 1:1-18 & 2:1-13 & 3:1-8
Then, after a short time all the faithful People of God will gather in all of the holy Land. They will elect their own leader. Hosea 1:11, Jeremiah 30:21

Ezekiel 38-39, God preserves Israel against the Gog/Magog attack.

So are you claiming that your fiery destruction of the current nation of Israel is before or after Ezekiel 38-39 ?

Make a timeline chart of events.

Andrewn · Jul 6, 2021

Jeffwhosoever said:
I'm watching it a second time. The cool thing is at least on Google I saw around 15,000 atheists saying they were reading the Bible after seeing this series, so whatever the intended goal, which was likely pure profit, it seemed to have a good side benefit of drawing attention of the masses at least to consider Scripture.

This is good to hear.

The main character himself never claimed to be Messiah. He was a Universalist. His father was Jewish and his mother Christian. He was brought up in Shiite Iran, practiced as a pastor of a Sunni congregation in Syria, and communicated with a US pastor who was an Evangelical, and a US president who was a Mormon. Both Muslims and Christians believed he was Christ returning to earth and Jews caused his death with help from the Vice President (presumably an Atheist). But he did not heal the girl with cancer or the girl with epilepsy or the dog.

He was not Christ / el-Masih but people thought he was. He tried to bring peace between Muslims, Jews, and Christians. And ultimately failed. At the end, Muslims returned to mass murder, Jews killed him and Christians lost the hope in world peace that he presented.

Timtofly · Jul 6, 2021

Douggg said:
I have made over 10,000 posts at Jewish sites, who the Jews there likewise can't believe that a Jew, one of their own, could possibly do such things that the Antichrist will do. They cannot come to grips emotionally, psychologically, that a Jew can be the Antichrist. Well, first of all they deny there will be any "Antichrist", as it is in the Christian bible and not in the Tanach.

The anti-semitic claim that Christians saying the Antichrist will be a Jew is not at the root of antisemitism. What is actually at the root of antisemitism is their ancestors' rejection of Jesus as the messiah - and perpetuating it down through the generations... in the unkind words they say against Jesus and Christians. Mostly by their rabbinic leadership.

Of course, there has been the unwarranted persecution of the Jews by Christians and others, that the Jews are right about antisemitism in that regards. But saying that a Jew will be the Antichrist is not systemically antisemitic.

And Joel's argument does not change what the bible says about the person - that the person has to be a Jew. It is a lot easier for a Christian with a Jewish background to paint the Antichrist as a muslim, than acknowledge that he will be a Jew.

Is that not the whole point of them accepting a Messiah? They do not accept him as the antichrist. They accept whomever as being annointed of God.

It would be like having the "perfect" pastor of a church who is charismatic and assumed filled with the Holy Spirit. Until one day they find out he is a homosexual atheist. No one is looking for an AC. They are looking for a physical Messiah who turns out to be an AC.

Except that is the Hollywood version any ways. Not the version John is describing in Revelation 13. The messiah John describes is Satan's own creation and not some fake imposter who turns out to be "against Christ". This creation will be the AC from the start as this is the Abomination of Desolation. Christ is already on earth with His 144k disciples. Satan is presenting to the world an alternate being of his own workmanship against God Himself.

Douggg · Jul 6, 2021

Timtofly said:
Is that not the whole point of them accepting a Messiah? They do not accept him as the antichrist. They accept whomever as being annointed of God.

Of course the Jews are not intentionally accepting someone knowing that he is the Antichrist. They will think they are accepting the real messiah.

messiah in the hebrew word for it means anointed. The kings and priests in Israel's history were all considered anointed. "the" messiah to be the King of Israel descended from David is a specific anointed.

Timtofly said:
They are looking for a physical Messiah who turns out to be an AC.

That's it in a nutshell (the AC though, not just an AC). The person the Jews are looking for has to meet certain requirements. He has to be a Jew. His religion has to be Judaism. And he has to be descended from King David.

Other attributes are that he will be a great politician. And fight the battles of God in defending Israel.

Timtofly said:
Not the version John is describing in Revelation 13.

In Revelation 13, the person is not the Antichrist any more - but has become the beast.

Antichrist is related to Israel, their mistake of thinking is their long awaited King of Israel messiah. Only lasts about 3 years, until he reveals himself as the man of sin.

The beast is related to the end times Roman Empire, as dictator of the EU, for the last 42 months of the 7 years. Not just a beast, but the beast.

little horn (EU)........who becomes > the Antichrist (3 yrs, Israel)......who becomes> the beast (42 months, EU)

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