A Missouri woman didn't want a COVID-19 vaccine for fear of side effects. She caught the Delta varia

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

A Missouri woman didn't want a COVID-19 vaccine for fear of side effects. She caught the Delta variant and died.
A Missouri woman didn't want a COVID-19 vaccine for fear of side effects. She caught the Delta variant and died. (yahoo.com)The video was interesting.

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This is the chance that everyone who refuses to be vaccinated takes. It's tragic! What do her family and friends have to say?

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

A Missouri woman didn't want a COVID-19 vaccine for fear of side effects. She caught the Delta variant and died.
A Missouri woman didn't want a COVID-19 vaccine for fear of side effects. She caught the Delta variant and died. (yahoo.com)The video was interesting.

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Some people made this bad decision you illustrate.

Others made or were coerced into the opposite bad decision (for them), like this 19 year old girl:

"A 19-year-old Northwestern University student died on June 11, two months after she received her first dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine and a month after receiving the second dose.

While her doctors have not fully confirmed the cause of her death, it appears that Simone Scott (right) suffered from myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscles. Northwestern Memorial Hospital’s doctors were able to obtain a new heart for Scott, but that lasted less than one week.

The university appeared to have told students that she died from a heart transplant. “Scott’s death came weeks after a heart complication in May which led to a heart transplant,” The Daily Northwestern reported. The private university north of Chicago sent an email to the university community last weekend.

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The Northwestern journalism student “suffered a case of apparent myocarditis-induced heart failure on Sunday, May 16,” former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson said, in a thread posted on June 14. It appears that Berenson spoke to the parents of Scott.

While the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention previously downplayed the risks of myocarditis from the COVID vaccine, it’s now begun to look into the reports further.


The CDC “is investigating 226 cases of myocarditis, the inflammation of the myocardium in the heart, and pericarditis, the inflammation of the pericardium, among young, vaccinated men,” The Hill reported.

Reports of heart inflammation post-vaccination in younger people began to appear in May."

Northwestern University student appears to have died from heart inflammation linked to COVID vaccine | The College Fix

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

A Missouri woman didn't want a COVID-19 vaccine for fear of side effects. She caught the Delta variant and died.
A Missouri woman didn't want a COVID-19 vaccine for fear of side effects. She caught the Delta variant and died. (yahoo.com)The video was interesting.

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Many people who have been vaccinated still have caught Covid 19, so there is no guarantee that it would have prevented her from catching the Delta variant. I know of people who have died or had adverse reactions from taking the vaccine, so people should be free to pick their poison.

This is also just anecdote.

It may have less emotional impact, but the data makes the actual case for vaccines sharply lessening the pandemic and its impact.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Some people made this bad decision you illustrate.

Others made or were coerced into the opposite bad decision (for them), like this 19 year old girl:

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Yet others will believe what ever made up stuff they read if it agrees with their preconceived notions.

Did a Teenager Die From Myocarditis After Her Second COVID Dose?

Scott’s doctors have not, in fact, said any such thing: As evidence for the claim, the article cites only a piece from right-wing college news blog The College Fix, which in turn states only that a diagnosis of “myocarditis-induced heart failure” was speculated by Alex Berenson on Twitter. WLWT 5 reported that “Simone’s parents are still waiting on multiple tests on her heart to come back so they can hopefully learn why they lost their daughter so suddenly.” A local Fox affiliate reported Tuesday that this was still the case.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

A Missouri woman didn't want a COVID-19 vaccine for fear of side effects. She caught the Delta variant and died.
A Missouri woman didn't want a COVID-19 vaccine for fear of side effects. She caught the Delta variant and died. (yahoo.com)The video was interesting.

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The Washington Post has an article about people who took part in the January 6th insurrection are organizing anti-vaccination protests. They shut down a vaccination clinic (June 29 article).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/06/29/social-media-california-right-trump/

Tanj said:

Yet others will believe what ever made up stuff they read if it agrees with their preconceived notions.

Did a Teenager Die From Myocarditis After Her Second COVID Dose?

Scott’s doctors have not, in fact, said any such thing: As evidence for the claim, the article cites only a piece from right-wing college news blog The College Fix, which in turn states only that a diagnosis of “myocarditis-induced heart failure” was speculated by Alex Berenson on Twitter. WLWT 5 reported that “Simone’s parents are still waiting on multiple tests on her heart to come back so they can hopefully learn why they lost their daughter so suddenly.” A local Fox affiliate reported Tuesday that this was still the case.

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This is how the misinformation cycle works. An article about the death itself is noticed by some one on twitter. Then some obscure blog writes about the tweet, then some more prominent site writes about the blog post, repeat until it looks legit.

Again, anecdotes...

[In this case it is a chain started by this guy:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/

RestoreTheJoy said:

Some people made this bad decision you illustrate.

Others made or were coerced into the opposite bad decision (for them), like this 19 year old girl:

"A 19-year-old Northwestern University student died on June 11, two months after she received her first dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine and a month after receiving the second dose.

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So a single death, now with a debunked link to the vaccine.

Meanwhile 50 or so people a DAY dying from COVID in the US, close to 4,000 in ICU, and tens of thousands more struggling with post-COVID side effects.

Tanj said:

Yet others will believe what ever made up stuff they read if it agrees with their preconceived notions.

Did a Teenager Die From Myocarditis After Her Second COVID Dose?

Scott’s doctors have not, in fact, said any such thing: As evidence for the claim, the article cites only a piece from right-wing college news blog The College Fix, which in turn states only that a diagnosis of “myocarditis-induced heart failure” was speculated by Alex Berenson on Twitter. WLWT 5 reported that “Simone’s parents are still waiting on multiple tests on her heart to come back so they can hopefully learn why they lost their daughter so suddenly.” A local Fox affiliate reported Tuesday that this was still the case.

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Uh huh. Sure, they are still waiting ....

If you don't like this particular case, there are thousands of others who made the wrong decision for their own circumstances to choose from.

Trogdor the Burninator said:

So a single death, now with a debunked link to the vaccine.

Meanwhile 50 or so people a DAY dying from COVID in the US, close to 4,000 in ICU, and tens of thousands more struggling with post-COVID side effects.

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You think there was only one? No.

I only picked one at random.

I can see that I'm wasting my time though. There are many other deaths immediately and within a day or a few days or so if you are truly interested in looking. But I think I'm done wasting time. Do whatever you feel is right to do, and others should do the same, given their particular risks and situations.

RestoreTheJoy said:

You think there was only one? No.

I only picked one at random.

I can see that I'm wasting my time though. There are many other deaths immediately and within a day or a few days or so if you are truly interested in looking. But I think I'm done wasting time. Do whatever you feel is right to do, and others should do the same, given their particular risks and situations.

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A hospital in Missouri is out of ventilators:
'New day, new record': Missouri hospital out of ventilators as COVID-19 surge intensifies — 8 things to know Monday

RestoreTheJoy said:

You think there was only one? No.

I only picked one at random.

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But it *wasn't* selected at random. An unexpected death of a young person who'd been recently vaccinated was spun into "vax-related death", whether it was or wasn't.

You know about it because a particular bad actor speculated and amplified the report of her death to use it as part of a propaganda campaign. I don't know what motivates him.

As I've said recently in a few threads: We don't get anything useful from anecdotes. We need carefully controlled data sets that can cleanly differentiate the question: is the vaccine dangerous. That can't be derived from listing anecdotes.

Hans Blaster said:

But it *wasn't* selected at random. An unexpected death of a young person who'd been recently vaccinated was spun into "vax-related death", whether it was or wasn't.

You know about it because a particular bad actor speculated and amplified the report of her death to use it as part of a propaganda campaign. I don't know what motivates him.

As I've said recently in a few threads: We don't get anything useful from anecdotes. We need carefully controlled data sets that can cleanly differentiate the question: is the vaccine dangerous. That can't be derived from listing anecdotes.

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No. A death occurred in a person immediately after vaccination, which makes it relevant.

The bolded is your spin and speculation.

The entire post begins with an anecdote.

RestoreTheJoy said:

No. A death occurred in a person immediately after vaccination, which makes it relevant.

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I have not said that the death is or is not related to the vaccination. We don't know. Autopsy may reveal it, or it may be that the only thing we may be able to learn if it is a statistical probability. The latter can only be measured by collecting data on large groups of people vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Unexpected, sudden death in young people is rare, with or without vaccination, but they happen. If such cases are rare, vaccine triggered deaths it will be figured out.

RestoreTheJoy said:

The bolded is your spin and speculation.

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There are people, including Alex Berensen, that are on some sort of mission to spread rumors about the vaccines including potentially related bad outcomes like this one. It's not my spin, read the linked Atlantic article in post #8.

RestoreTheJoy said:

The entire post begins with an anecdote.

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As I noted in post #5.

Tanj said:

Yet others will believe what ever made up stuff they read if it agrees with their preconceived notions.

Did a Teenager Die From Myocarditis After Her Second COVID Dose?

Scott’s doctors have not, in fact, said any such thing: As evidence for the claim, the article cites only a piece from right-wing college news blog The College Fix, which in turn states only that a diagnosis of “myocarditis-induced heart failure” was speculated by Alex Berenson on Twitter. WLWT 5 reported that “Simone’s parents are still waiting on multiple tests on her heart to come back so they can hopefully learn why they lost their daughter so suddenly.” A local Fox affiliate reported Tuesday that this was still the case.

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The myocarditis that is a rare side effect of the vaccine is typically relatively mild and self-resolving, so I would find the story unlikely, especially in a young, healthy person.

Soyeong said:

Many people who have been vaccinated still have caught Covid 19, so there is no guarantee that it would have prevented her from catching the Delta variant. I know of people who have died or had adverse reactions from taking the vaccine, so people should be free to pick their poison.

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sorry i just don't believe you at all.

mala said:

sorry i just don't believe you at all.

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I only said it because it is true and have no motivation to lie about it, but you are free to believe what you like.

Soyeong said:

I only said it because it is true and have no motivation to lie about it, but you are free to believe what you like.

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well since you have not provided even an ounce of proof about your baseless claims i am still going to continue not believing you or anything else you have to say about this subject or anything else for that matter and treating it as meaningless drivel.

Hans Blaster said:

But it *wasn't* selected at random. An unexpected death of a young person who'd been recently vaccinated was spun into "vax-related death", whether it was or wasn't.

You know about it because a particular bad actor speculated and amplified the report of her death to use it as part of a propaganda campaign. I don't know what motivates him.

As I've said recently in a few threads: We don't get anything useful from anecdotes. We need carefully controlled data sets that can cleanly differentiate the question: is the vaccine dangerous. That can't be derived from listing anecdotes.

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Wait, you mean like the virus with a 99% survival rate other than in the 80%+ or so who are overweight or obese (or other pre-existing health condition)?