The physical descendants of the ancient nation of Israel.

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That is not true! You made a sweeping claim and once again ducked around the questions. That is common amongst Dispies.
I never made a "sweeping claim" that every event of the end times is contained in Ezekiel 38-39. You are attempting to change the issue.

You asked for bible evidence that the physical descendants of the ancient nation of Israel be present in the end times nation of Israel.

Ezekiel 38-39 is that evidence. Which is infallible, impossible to be wrong.
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The other "events" that you bring up are in other parts of the bible.

I have referenced the biblical passages associated with those events on my chart below.

And again I am not a dispensationalist. Please contain your covenant theology war against dispensationalism to people who actually hold one of those two man-made theology approaches on understanding the bible. ....not me.


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The issue is the end times prophecies in the bible require the physical descendants of the ancient nation of Israel be present in the end times nation of Israel.

You ask for bible evidence. I gave you biblical evidence.

I've been told by physical descendants of the ancient nation of Israel that I'm a physical descendant of the ancient nation of Israel.

I won't be present in the end times nation of Israel.
 
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The enemies of the truth OFTEN use the accusation of RACISM, whenever all else fails. But GOD'S answer to your cavils is:

"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion."So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Romans 9:14-20

What does this have to do with racism?

Dispensationalism strives to create and amplify a (mythical) racial division between Jew and Gentile. I've termed that racialization.

You term it racism.

So let's use your term; it's shorter and easier to pronounce.

Nothing to do with the Scripture you quoted.
 
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I've been told by physical descendants of the ancient nation of Israel that I'm a physical descendant of the ancient nation of Israel.

I won't be present in the end times nation of Israel.
Not every Jew will be in the nation of Israel - when Gog/Magog takes place.

Some have to be in the nations, all the way to the day Jesus returns.

The complete return of the physical descendants of the ancient nation of Israel - who will be Christians at the time of the complete return - is in Ezekiel 39:28. Jesus Himself speaking in the text.

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
 
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You start off biblical and then add on your own misinterpretation to support your beliefs: "and come together in all of the holy land." This is not going to happen. The holy land is where you find God's people throughout the world, not in Palestine.
You deny an end times gathering of the Lord's faithful people into all of the holy Land. Scripture proves you wrong:

Ezekiel 34:11-12 Now I shall take a thought for My sheep and search for them. As a shepherd, I shall find and rescue my sheep, no matter where they were scattered, on the Day of darkness. [the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster]

Isaiah 49:22 The Lord says, I shall beckon to the nations, hoist My signal to the peoples and they will bring your sons in their arms and your daughters on their shoulders.

Isaiah 60:8-9 Who are these, that sail along like clouds, that fly like doves to their dovecotes? They are vessels assembling from the coasts and islands; they bring your children from far away, their treasure with them. The Holy One of Israel has made you glorious for His honor. Psalms 107, Isaiah 66:18b-21

Psalms 68:7 God, when at the head of Your people, You marched through the barren waste – the earth trembled and rain poured down.

Psalms 68:17 There were myriads of Gods chariots when the Lord comes from Sinai.

Zechariah 8:8 My people, brought back to live in Jerusalem.

Zechariah 10:10 I shall lead them into Gilead and Lebanon, until there is no more room.
You ask for bible evidence. I gave you biblical evidence.
Using Ezekiel 39:21-29 as evidence that the actual descendants of ancient Israel will go back to the holy land and be Blessed by the Lord, is a bad mistake.
Ezekiel 39:23-24 says they were all killed for their sins.
Then; Ezekiel 39:29 says it will be those Israelites who He has poured out His Spirit upon, who He is referring to and who will be gathered into all of the holy Land. Christian Israelites of the Spirit, not of the flesh.
This is confirmed by many other prophesies. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 61:3-6, Psalms 37:9 & 29
 
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You deny an end times gathering of the Lord's faithful people into all of the holy Land. Scripture proves you wrong:

Ezekiel 34:11-12 Now I shall take a thought for My sheep and search for them. As a shepherd, I shall find and rescue my sheep, no matter where they were scattered, on the Day of darkness. [the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster]

Isaiah 49:22 The Lord says, I shall beckon to the nations, hoist My signal to the peoples and they will bring your sons in their arms and your daughters on their shoulders.

Isaiah 60:8-9 Who are these, that sail along like clouds, that fly like doves to their dovecotes? They are vessels assembling from the coasts and islands; they bring your children from far away, their treasure with them. The Holy One of Israel has made you glorious for His honor. Psalms 107, Isaiah 66:18b-21

Psalms 68:7 God, when at the head of Your people, You marched through the barren waste – the earth trembled and rain poured down.

Psalms 68:17 There were myriads of Gods chariots when the Lord comes from Sinai.

Zechariah 8:8 My people, brought back to live in Jerusalem.

Zechariah 10:10 I shall lead them into Gilead and Lebanon, until there is no more room.

Using Ezekiel 39:21-29 as evidence that the actual descendants of ancient Israel will go back to the holy land and be Blessed by the Lord, is a bad mistake.
Ezekiel 39:23-24 says they were all killed for their sins.
Then; Ezekiel 39:29 says it will be those Israelites who He has poured out His Spirit upon, who He is referring to and who will be gathered into all of the holy Land. Christian Israelites of the Spirit, not of the flesh.
This is confirmed by many other prophesies. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 61:3-6, Psalms 37:9 & 29
The Jews will turn to Jesus in the middle of the 7 years. Revelation 12:10.
 
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False. The "election" are referenced in earlier in Romans 11:5,7 and are defined, separate, apart, and distinct from "enemies of the gospel". There are two separate and different "theys", two separate groups, in Romans 11:28.

Paul earlier draws Old Testament parallels to enemies of the gospel in Romans 11:3, and to the election in Romans 11:4. There, they are two separate and distinct groups. Applying dispen (il)logic, Romans 11:3 would represent the election!

The "gifts and calling" are irrevocably for the New Testament election, i.e. the Church, exclusively, as the numerous Scriptures which I've cited attest.

To claim that "enemies of the gospel" are the "election" is the epitome of risibility and absurdity.

That does not, of course, stop dispens from attempting to claim it.
Your insistence on placing greater credence to YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of the MEANINGS of scriptures that simply DO NOT say what you claim they MEAN, than to what the scriptures explicitly state in plain words is so obvious to any observer that there is n need to further continue this useless confrontation.

I know I will never convince you, for you are thoroughly committed to your refusal to submit to scripture. And any observer reading our exchange can easily see what you are doing. So I am bowing out of this useless exchange
 
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Using Ezekiel 39:21-29 as evidence that the actual descendants of ancient Israel will go back to the holy land and be Blessed by the Lord, is a bad mistake.
Ezekiel 39:23-24 says they were all killed for their sins.
Then; Ezekiel 39:29 says it will be those Israelites who He has poured out His Spirit upon, who He is referring to and who will be gathered into all of the holy Land. Christian Israelites of the Spirit, not of the flesh.
This is confirmed by many other prophesies. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 61:3-6, Psalms 37:9 & 29


This should be easy to solve. So who is it that the text indicates God shall pour His Spirit upon? Let's look at the text and try and find out.

Ezekiel 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

This is the first mention of Israel in chapter 39.

Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

In this verse, God, who is clearly the speaker in this verse, declares that He will make His holy name known in the midst of His people Israel, and that He will not let them pollute His holy name any more. When does the text indicate He does this? It is once He executes judgment on Gog and his multitude. Verse 8 then declares that this judgment against Gog and his multitude, it is come, and it is done. But this is a prophecy, though. That doesn't mean that it is literally already done, but that it will be done once God executes this judgment on Gog and his multitude in our future.

Ezekiel 39:9-16 is meaning after God has poured out His Spirit on the house of Israel meant in verse 7. Everything from Ezekiel 39:17 to Ezekiel 39:22 is meaning this same judgment God executed on Gog and his multitude, which led up to them that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years, and the burying of Gog and all his multitude.

Ezekiel 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.


Verse 23 and 24 tell us that the the heathen shall know, once God has executed His judgment on Gog and all of his multitude, why the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: it is because they trespassed against God, therefore He hid His face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions has He done unto them, and hid His face from them.

Verses 25-29 requires that the house of Israel meant in Ezekiel 39:7, they literally have to be back in their literal land in the middle east when God executes His judgment on Gog and his multitude, which BTW, is also meaning Revelation 19, this same judgment, that being verses 11-21 in Revelation 19. Most, other than Preterists, agree that Revelation 19:11-21 has not happened yet, and that it involves the 2nd coming. But some of these agreeing to this are failing to see that Revelation 19:11-21 is meaning the very same judgment in Ezekiel 39 involving Gog and his multitude. They instead have these accounts contradicting each other, since many of them claim that the judgment in Ezekiel 39 already happened ages ago before the first coming, while at the same time concluding that the judgment in Revelation 19:11-21, it is after the time of the first coming, and that it involves the 2nd coming. At least they got some of it correct. But only getting some of it correct does not cut it.

The last verse in Ezekiel, verse 29, that is meaning after the house of Israel went into exile then was returned to their land, and after God has executed His judgment on Gog and his multitude. Some have verse 29 meaning in the first century. The only way that can be a valid interpretation, God has to have already executed His judgment on Gog and all his multitude prior to the first century. Clearly, that judgment did not precede the first century. The text makes it crystal clear that when God pours out His Spirit on the house of Israel meant in verse 29, the same house of Israel meant in verse 7, it is after, not prior to, the judgment He executes on Gog and all his multitude.

What some are totally ignoring here, some of the house of Israel went into captivity yet again when the judgment involving 70 AD was pronounced on them. Obviously, that captivity has to end eventually, thus they are returned to the same land they were expelled from. And that's exactly what much of Ezekiel 39 is involving, that being a time post 70 AD when the part of the house of Israel God has been hiding His face from they are once again back in their land so that the fulfillment of the judgment against Gog and his multitude can come to pass, for one.

And finally, the house of Israel meant in Ezekiel 39 have to be meaning someone God had been hiding His face from, thus they went into captivity for their iniquity, it is because they trespassed against God, therefore He hid His face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

Seriously, do you fit that profile of the house of Israel meant here? Does the church fit that profile? Has God been hiding His face from you? Has God been hiding His face from the church? Did God give you into the hand of your enemies: so that you fell by the sword? Did God give the church into the hand of it's enemies: so that they all fell by the sword?


Don't some of you think it's time to start paying closer attention to the details present in the text, thus quit coming to absurd conclusions concerning the text?
 
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Everything from Ezekiel 39:17 to Ezekiel 39:22 is meaning this same judgment God executed on Gog and his multitude, which led up to them that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years, and the burying of Gog and all his multitude.
David, while you are right that the church doesn't fit anywhere in Ezekiel 38-39, you have Ezekiel 39:17-22 wrong as being the destruction of Gog's army.

It is not the destruction of Gog's army in v17-22. Gog is not mentioned any more past Ezekiel 39:15-16, Hamongog in v15, which those verses conclude the Gog/Magog event.

Ezekiel 39:17-20 is 7 years after the destruction of Gog's army in the Gog/Magog event.

Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Armageddon event, against the nations that assemble to make war on Jesus. Ezekiel 39:17-20 is Revelation 19:17-18.

Ezekiel 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

Revelation 19:17-18

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

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Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus having returned to this earth. And it is Jesus Himself speaking in the text.
 
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Then; Ezekiel 39:29 says it will be those Israelites who He has poured out His Spirit upon, who He is referring to and who will be gathered into all of the holy Land. Christian Israelites of the Spirit, not of the flesh.
The church is nowhere in Ezekiel 38-39.

It is all about Israel. The house of Israel.

In Ezekiel 39...

v1-16 the Gog/Magog event. The secular Jews in Israel become believers in God. But the Jews will make the mistake of thinking the little horn person, the prince who shall come, is the messiah - but is actually the Antichrist. The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 begin.

In the middle of the 7 years, after their experience with the Antichrist, the Jews turn to Jesus, Revelation 12:10. A time/times/half time to go till Jesus's return.

v17-20 7 years after Gog/Magog is the Armageddon event. The nations gathered to fight Jesus's return.

v21-29 Jesus having returned to earth, to rule the nations. Jesus recounting the 2000 year diaspora of the Jews for having rejected Him.

But the house of Israel having bore their shame, and having turned to Him, acknowledging Him as the Lord their God, He pours out His spirit on the house of Israel.

And brings every single person of the house of Israel back to the land of Israel in v28, corresponding to Matthew 24:31.

Matthew24:15-31 is a message to the Jews, who are them living in Judaea, who will end up going through the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:32-51 is a message to Christians on not having to go through the great tribulation, escaping it via the rapture/resurrection to heaven while the great tribulation takes place here on earth.
 
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What does this have to do with racism?

Dispensationalism strives to create and amplify a (mythical) racial division between Jew and Gentile. I've termed that racialization.

You term it racism.

So let's use your term; it's shorter and easier to pronounce.

Nothing to do with the Scripture you quoted.
YOU are the one who brought up Racism, not ME.
 
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YOU are the one who brought up Racism, not ME.

Dispensationalism strives to create and amplify a (mythical) racial division between Jew and Gentile. I've termed that racialization.

What do you term it?
 
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Your insistence on placing greater credence to YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of the MEANINGS of scriptures that simply DO NOT say what you claim they MEAN, than to what the scriptures explicitly state in plain words is so obvious to any observer that there is n need to further continue this useless confrontation.

I know I will never convince you, for you are thoroughly committed to your refusal to submit to scripture. And any observer reading our exchange can easily see what you are doing. So I am bowing out of this useless exchange

As you wish, brother.
 
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Dispensationalism strives to create and amplify a (mythical) racial division between Jew and Gentile. I've termed that racialization.

What do you term it?
Why strive over an historical fact?

Is your claim there was no divide ever? Abraham's seed has always been Gentile, and never distinguished as Israel after God changed Jacob's name? If Israel is still Gentile, then there was no dispensation that recognized Israel as being separated from the Gentiles.

The church is still Gentile and earthly as well. There is no distinction between the church and the world, if that is your contention about what dispensationalism is.

Dispensations are when God saw Israel as separated from the world, and now God sees the church as separated from the world. The point is the separation from the world. In the OT is was physical and outward. In the NT it is spiritual and inward.
 
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Dispensationalism strives to create and amplify a (mythical) racial division between Jew and Gentile. I've termed that racialization.

What do you term it?

I term it ethnic apartheid.
 
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Your insistence on placing greater credence to YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of the MEANINGS of scriptures that simply DO NOT say what you claim they MEAN, than to what the scriptures explicitly state in plain words is so obvious to any observer that there is n need to further continue this useless confrontation.

I know I will never convince you, for you are thoroughly committed to your refusal to submit to scripture. And any observer reading our exchange can easily see what you are doing. So I am bowing out of this useless exchange

It is actually you that has no answers to jgr and is constantly shouting at him with frustration. If you would actually just admit the glaring reality that Pretrib is man-made error you would easily grasp what he is saying.
 
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I never made a "sweeping claim" that every event of the end times is contained in Ezekiel 38-39. You are attempting to change the issue.

You asked for bible evidence that the physical descendants of the ancient nation of Israel be present in the end times nation of Israel.

Ezekiel 38-39 is that evidence. Which is infallible, impossible to be wrong.
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The other "events" that you bring up are in other parts of the bible.

I have referenced the biblical passages associated with those events on my chart below.

And again I am not a dispensationalist. Please contain your covenant theology war against dispensationalism to people who actually hold one of those two man-made theology approaches on understanding the bible. ....not me.


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You have hid behind your faulty charts for long enough. You cannot even show us your Pretrib doctrine in there. You have nothing! Basically, you foist your faulty end-views upon Ezekiel 38 and 39, and then force the rest of Scripture into that erroneous box. That is insane hermeneutics. That is why your charts are messed it.
  • The NT Church is obviously not mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and 39 or anywhere else in Scripture.
  • A rapture of the NT Church is obviously not mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and 39 or anywhere else in Scripture.
  • A 7-year tribulation is obviously not mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and 39 or anywhere else in Scripture.
  • A 3rd coming is obviously not mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and 39 or anywhere else in Scripture.
The only sensible deduction we can make is that this is a man-made extra-biblical invention.
 
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I am anytime rapture view. The pretrib view is different.
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Take a look at my post #450.

More avoidance! If you think this draws people to support Dispensationalism it does not. Avoidance comes when you have no answers.
 
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More avoidance! If you think this draws people to support Dispensationalism it does not. Avoidance comes when you have no answers.
Dispenationalism is a man-made system by which to understand the bible. I am not a dispensationalist, nor covenant theology.

Why are you being so frantic? Please settle down.
 
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