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Yes WE’VE been over this dilemma for quite some time now. He doesn’t understand the definition of the words “we”, “us”, or “our” Like “if we deny Him, He will deny us”

God can't deny the new birth.
Try to understand that if a person is born again, that they can't stop being BORN.

Let me show you your incredible lack of logic.

Go to your mother and tell her.....>"i dont want to be yours anymore" "i refuse to be your son".

Does that change it?
Why not?
Because you are BORN, and you can't change this with a attitude issue or a lack of faith.

Now, If a Born Again (thats a birth) tells God, "i dont want you, i dont want to be "born again".

See it?

Think about that for a while.
Who knows..
Maybe you can come to understand that you can't stop being born. or "born again".
 
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And you were saying that OSAS is a doctrine created by satan because why? Because it teaches that we have a “license to sin”? That’s exactly what your teaching right now.

I teach this..

"Pauline Theology".

So...The fact that you do not believe..

"Christ always Gives me the Victory", and 1 John 3:9...... is why you continue to sin and confess.
If you wanted to stop doing that, you'd listen to me, as what you are believing, as you might realize in the next decade, keeps you sinning and confessing.
 
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Oh that’s amazing so let’s start holding church in strip clubs so we can all get drunk and indulge in sexual immorality because hallelujah sin is not charged to us!! H

It is a blessing, as Romans 4:8 tells you, for God not to charge the born again with sin.
So, that you just mocked this verse, is on you.
 
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Are you sure you're quoting the right book? That seems to be 1 John 1:9 you're trying to mangle again.

Here is what you should do, if you can stop thinking about the Pelasgians, for a few minutes.

You should read 1 John 1:9 then read 1 John 3:9 and then ask yourself

"why does John talk to one group about having sin, and then tells another group that they can't sin".

For the answer, read my THREADS, as you'll never find the answer in your theology, or in your denomination, or in your commentaries.
 
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James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer,

"faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God".

If the Gospel of the CROSS is not mixed with Faith when you hear it, then you are a hearer but not a doer, of the word.
 
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Psalm 23 A Psalm of David.
1 The LORD [is] My shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: He leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for Thou [art] with me; Thy rod and Thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: Thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

Lets try the NT, next time, as in it you find the Cross, and Jesus on it.
There is your "shepherd" who by His stripes and his death, is your forgiveness found.

"the Preaching of the Cross".
 
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Esaias 43:26 But do thou remember, and let us plead together: do thou first confess thy transgressions, that thou mayest be justified.

Confess your sins to your priest, if that makes your condemnation feel better.
But when you want to go to heaven, you go to the Cross and find the Blood that redeems you from your sin., if you will believe.
 
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John 6:44 No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: .

Yes, Jesus said...>"if i be lifted up, i will draw all men to ME".

So, the "all" is the entire world, John 3:16. and the "draw" is the literal conviction of the Holy Spirit, upon the human heart.

All that respond to this, by faith in Christ, are "born again".
 
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"the Preaching of the Cross".

Yes!

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."—1 Cor. 1:18

"For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."—1 Cor. 1:21
 
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John 10:2 But He that entereth in by the Door is the Shepherd of the sheep.


Let me explain "door".

Have you ever walked through a door way?
This allows you "in" the room.

So, Jesus is "the WAY" to God.
This is the "narrow way".... or, Jesus Himself.
To get to God, you go through Jesus's CROSS.
That's the door that leads to eternal life.
John 14:6

If you try to get to God by RELIGION< such as commandment keeping, then you are found trying to become a part of God's family using the "broad way" that "leads to destruction".

Jesus said that He alone is THE way.
Thats "narrow".
 
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Sidon, are you saying that Jesus was just a man before the Cross?

He was always, "God manifested IN THE FLESH">

See "in THE ....FLESH"?

God is "A" Spirt, as this is God the Father.
Christ is God, in a virgin born Body, that was given to redeem the world from sin.
 
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Oh you mean like John the author of that gospel? Yeah what would he know about salvation?

More than you know about it.
After all, He preaches the Cross.
No commandments found on it.
Look and SEE.

Go here..

Only the Cross
 
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Lord Jesus frequently refers to himself in the third person when fulfilling Scripture. For instance, Lord Jesus refers to Himself with the prophetic term "Son of Man" many times, and all in the third person, but is referring to Himself.

Absolutely, but in the verse we are discussing, your point is moot.
 
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You say you never said the 4 Gospels were only written to the Jews, but that is not what you are teaching in your posts, as follows (bolding is mine):

Yes.
Notice that i never said, "the 4 Gospels, are only for the Jews".

Do you have a prob, just being Honest?

Listen, let me give you something to quote.

"sidon says that the OT was written 4000 yrs ago, till 2000 yrs ago, for the Jews".

"sidon says, that the NT< as the original, is the Apostle's letters, written to the Church".

"sidon says"......2000+ yrs later, all of this text, is the 'Holy Bible" and its given to us all.


Now quote that, so that you are being honest.
 
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Absolutely, but in the verse we are discussing, your point is moot.

John 3:16 is part of a dialogue between Lord Jesus and Nicodemus. We see no indication at all that another person is now speaking in the place of Lord Jesus when we get to John 3:16.

If you know how to read at all, you can see there is no break or change of speaker.
 
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Yes.
Notice that i never said, "the 4 Gospels, are only for the Jews".

Do you have a prob, just being Honest?

Listen, let me give you something to quote.

"sidon says that the OT was written 4000 yrs ago, till 2000 yrs ago, for the Jews".

"sidon says, that the NT< as the original, is the Apostle's letters, written to the Church".

"sidon says"......2000+ yrs later, all of this text, is the 'Holy Bible" and its given to us all.


Now quote that, so that you are being honest.

That does not change the fact that you teach the Four Gospels are only for the Jews. Your messages make that clear to anyone - As your quotes clearly show. That is so obvious to any reading your posts, as you keep referring to the Pauline Gospel as the only legitimate Gospel, and all the words of Lord Jesus in the Four Gospel was only for the Jews under the Law.
 
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I appreciate that you'll argue with a STOP Sign, but , and however......

The apostles presented the 2 they picked...... for God to decide upon.
Try to understand that.

So you don’t think the Holy Spirit had anything to do with that?
 
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Not only did God choose the Apostles , it was a prophecy given before Christ showed up.

""""That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.”

Why didn't the Father pick Paul?

Its interesting that what you are saying, makes no sense, yet you think it does.

Listen carefully.
If you can't understand what im saying, then this does not mean that your misunderstanding that you post..... proves anything.

It doesn't.

Now, again...Bnr32fan..
in the "time of the gentiles", you have Paul, who teaches "my Gospel".
This "gospel" ends, when the Grt Trb Starts.
If you need me to tell you this, 34 more times, so that you can hopefully finally comprehend what i keep saying, then just let me know.

Where does it say that the Pauline gospel ends when the Great Tribulation starts?

Jesus is a Jew who was sent to the House of Israel.

"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.--1980 Jewish Almanac

God can't deny the new birth.
Try to understand that if a person is born again, that they can't stop being BORN.

Let me show you your incredible lack of logic.

Go to your mother and tell her.....>"i dont want to be yours anymore" "i refuse to be your son".

Does that change it?
Why not?
Because you are BORN, and you can't change this with a attitude issue or a lack of faith.

Now, If a Born Again (thats a birth) tells God, "i dont want you, i dont want to be "born again".

See it?

Think about that for a while.
Who knows..
Maybe you can come to understand that you can't stop being born. or "born again".

You don't know what being born again means, Sidon, and you prove it more strongly every time you mention the phrase, because this doctrine belongs to the Kingdom Gospel. Your "new creature" is not "born again".

"Christ always Gives me the Victory", and 1 John 3:9...... is why you continue to sin and confess.

Jesus to His Disciples
John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated Me before [it hated] you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My word, they will keep yours also. 23 He that hateth Me hateth My Father also.

It is a blessing, as Romans 4:8 tells you, for God not to charge the born again with sin.
So, that you just mocked this verse, is on you.

David about confessing
Psalms 32:1 Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, and who sins are covered. 2 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin, and whose mouth there is no guile. 3 Because I kept silence, my bones waxed old, from my crying all the day. 4 For day and night Thy hand was heavy upon me: I became thoroughly miserable while a thorn was fastened in me. 5 I acknowledged my sin, and hid not mine iniquity: I said, I will confess mine iniquity to the Lord against myself; and Thou forgavest the ungodliness of my heart.
 
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Here is what you should do, if you can stop thinking about the Pelasgians, for a few minutes.

You should read 1 John 1:9 then read 1 John 3:9 and then ask yourself

"why does John talk to one group about having sin, and then tells another group that they can't sin".

For the answer, read my THREADS, as you'll never find the answer in your theology, or in your denomination, or in your commentaries.

I keep telling you I don't get my understanding of God from man, and you keep pretending I didn't ever say it. The way memory works, the more times you say it, and the more times I prove to you that I didn't say it, the more the audience you're desperately trying to impress will learn your ways. Stop thinking that I'm anything like you, Sidon... I didn't get my learning from government-run-seminaries... that's what happens with the tax-exempt status, so like it or not, you are a product of the state.

Now... about the Kingdom Gospel in 1 John... People who sin+confess are like David in Psalms 32... "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin, and whose mouth there is no guile." Because "I will confess mine iniquity to the Lord against myself." David knew how to repent.

"faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God".

If the Gospel of the CROSS is not mixed with Faith when you hear it, then you are a hearer but not a doer, of the word.

Romans 4:2 ......vs....... James 2:21.
Grace Gospel + Kingdom Gospel = tragedy.

Lets try the NT, next time, as in it you find the Cross, and Jesus on it.
There is your "shepherd" who by His stripes and his death, is your forgiveness found.

"the Preaching of the Cross".

Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Matthew 21:44-45 Daniel 2:34

Confess your sins to your priest, if that makes your condemnation feel better.
But when you want to go to heaven, you go to the Cross and find the Blood that redeems you from your sin., if you will believe.

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake.
Matthew 23:8-10, Matthew 5:23-24, Matthew 18:35.

Yes, Jesus said...>"if i be lifted up, i will draw all men to ME".

So, the "all" is the entire world, John 3:16. and the "draw" is the literal conviction of the Holy Spirit, upon the human heart.

All that respond to this, by faith in Christ, are "born again".

In John 8, Jews who said they believed Jesus were trying to kill Him... they were professors not possessors. Show me your faith by your works is Kingdom Gospel. Anomia is no-law, translated iniquity in the Kingdom Gospel.

"Born again" is Kingdom Gospel ....vs.... Grace Gospel has the "new creature".

It's not rocket science, Sidon, try to figure it out. If not, I'm going to assume that you mean to do all of your attempts to rob "Peter to pay Paul".

Let me explain "door".

Have you ever walked through a door way?
This allows you "in" the room.

So, Jesus is "the WAY" to God.
This is the "narrow way".... or, Jesus Himself.
To get to God, you go through Jesus's CROSS.
That's the door that leads to eternal life.
John 14:6

If you try to get to God by RELIGION< such as commandment keeping, then you are found trying to become a part of God's family using the "broad way" that "leads to destruction".

Jesus said that He alone is THE way.
Thats "narrow".

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came in front of Me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.

He was always, "God manifested IN THE FLESH">

See "in THE ....FLESH"?

God is "A" Spirt, as this is God the Father.
Christ is God, in a virgin born Body, that was given to redeem the world from sin.

You're changing what you clearly said... not once... but twice in a row:

This is Jesus, the man, pre-Cross, talking to Jews.
This is Jesus the man, before the crucifixion, talking to the "House of Israel", under the old covenant.

After the Cross, you have a new Covenant, and you find Paul.
He does not teach works, or self effort as how to go to heaven.
Legalists, who reject the Cross, teach that message.

Paul teaches the Grace of God as the "gift of Salvation, and the Gift of Righteousness".
He calls this "my Gospel".... =Singular. = 1.
Yep, that's all Paul's and you're welcome to it. 1 Corinthians 10:23

But

The Kingdom Gospel Belongs To The Father: John 12:48-50
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee(Moses), and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.
 
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