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If they are of God and have ears to hear, they will.

God does not force us to be a certain way after we make a one time decision for Christ.

For we are told:

“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).

"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).

"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).​


We are also told to:

  1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).

  2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).

  3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

These things in Scripture would not exist if things are as you say.
 
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I have a Thread on that.....

So, let me condense.

Jesus is the "light of the World".
The born again are "Children of the Light".
Why?
Because the born again are "translated from darkness....>TO LIGHT".

That is the eternal status of all the born again.
The born again EXIST in the Kingdom of Light , that is the Kingdom of God, that is the Spirit of God.

It still does not undo 1 John 1:7 unless you either ignore it or change what it says plainly.
 
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The only way a sinner can "doeth rightesouness" is to be born again.
That is how you do it.
You become it, by becoming "one with God, IN Christ", which is the same way you '"abide in the vine".

But how do you become born again? You accept Jesus Christ and His grace. This includes calling upon the name of the Lord to save you (Romans 10:13). This includes seeking forgiveness of one's sins with a godly sorrow (2 Corinthians 7:10) (Luke 18:9-14). This includes believing the gospel, which is believing that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later for our salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). So it's not like we don't do anything even in receiving the Lord. Your “do nothing gospel” is contradictory to reality and the Bible.

To abide in the Lord Jesus:

Try looking again at John 14:23 sometime.
 
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The only way a sinner can "doeth rightesouness" is to be born again.
That is how you do it.
You become it, by becoming "one with God, IN Christ", which is the same way you '"abide in the vine".

Again, you are ignoring Scripture. 1 John 2:29 says, ““If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.”

Your message says the exact opposite. You say that doing righteousness is self effort. But John says that the person who does righteousness is born of Him. I believe the apostle John and not you.
 
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I don't care if you lead millions of people at a megachurch. Your interpretation of Scripture is not in line with basic logic of how we read things normally.

The natural man "Logic Mind" cannot receive the things of God, because they are spiritually discerned".

So, there is your problem.
 
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Notice your 2 verses?
They deal with self effort.

In 1 Jn3, that is discipleship., yet dont get caught up in the idea that you can spiritually purify yourself.
You can't.
Only the blood of Jesus can deal with Spiritual Purification = Born again.

No, 1 John 3 is not dealing with discipleship alone.

1 John 3:10 says, “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”

In other words, any person who does not righteousness and does not love his brother is not of God.
Is a person who is not of God saved? Surely not.

What kind of righteousness is John talking about?

“Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” (1 John 3:7).

John tells me not to be deceived on this matter. John says that the person who does righteousness is righteous even as Christ is righteous.

1 John 3:15 says that whoever hates his brother is like a murderer, and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

So you have to not hate your brother in order to have eternal life. This take some kind effort on your part. God is not going to force you to not hate your brother. You have to choose to love your brother and not to hate him. Hating your brother means no eternal life for a believer according to the apostle John. So no. It's not dealing with discipleship. He is clearly talking about eternal life. Anyone who simply reads and believes 1 John 3 will come to this conclusion.

You said:
Your 2nd verse, is symbolic. You'll perhaps recognize that branches are not Humans.
So.....Dont fall into the heretics trap of using symbolic verses to try to prove Legalism.

Jesus actually says you are the branches, and He is the vine. So no. I believe Jesus and not you.
 
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It still does not undo 1 John 1:7 unless you either ignore it or change what it says plainly.

The verse says....>"as He is in the Light".

So, how is Jesus "in" The "light"?
By being God, who exists in "Light".
"Light" is the KOG.....Its the kingdom of RIGHTEOUSNESS.
So, a person "exists" in this Kingdom by being born again into it, as ""ONE with God, in Christ".
 
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But how do you become born again?

You become born again when the Spirit of God, births you into God's Holy Spirit.

You are born again INTO, God's Holy Spirit, BY, God's Holy Spirit.

This is the "new birth".
This is Jesus telling you...."you must be BORN again".

Water can't do that for you.
 
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Again, you are ignoring Scripture. 1 John 2:29 says, ““If ye know that he is righteous,

You are not understanding "doeth righteousness".

See you think that if you give money to the poor, that you are "doing righteousness".
But that isn't "righteousness".
Thats just a work, a deed, a self effort, and God says all your "works are filthy rags".

See, you have to compare what you do, with God's Holiness.
Does it rate?
Does your deed doing, = God's righteousness.
NEVER.

So, when you read a verse that is talking about "righteousness", then that is talking about God's righteousness, and you getting it., as there is no other RIGHTEOUSNESS.
The way you "do righteousness", is by being "made righteous".
Thats how you do it. = born again.
 
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No, 1 John 3 is not dealing with discipleship alone.

1 John 3:10 says, “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”


You can't "do righteousness".
You can only receive it, as "the gift of Righteousness".

Let me explain this verse to you..

The Children of the devil, are all the unbelievers., and they have no righteousness

The Children of God, are "made Righteousness".....having received the "gift of Righteousness".

See the difference?
That is the "righteousness" the verse is explaining, that i just opened for you.
 
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The natural man "Logic Mind" cannot receive the things of God, because they are spiritually discerned".

So, there is your problem.

Context.

Paul was talking to the Corinthians who justified sin such as the sins of strife and envy (See: 1 Corinthians 3:3).
Paul mentioned the sins of strife and envy to the Galatians and he said to them that they which do such sins will not inherit the kingdom of God (See: Galatians 5:19-21).
Paul called the Corinthians as being carnal (1 Corinthians 3:3).
In Romans, Paul said the carnal mind is at enmity against God (Romans 8:7). Paul said that they that are in the flesh (focused on sin) cannot please God (Romans 8:8). For the works of the flesh are mentioned as sin in Galatians 5:19-21.

In addition:

If we read the surrounding context, it says this:

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:14-16).

Notice verse 16.

It says we have the mind of Christ.
Do you have the mind of Christ, Sidon?

I know Jesus never justified sin.
But yet many today who hold to Belief Alone-ism appear to do just that.
They believe they are saved by a Belief Alone in Jesus + nothing (Meaning they can sin and still be saved on some level). But can God agree with a person's thinking that they can sin? Surely not. God is holy, just, and good and He cannot agree with their thinking to justify evil.
 
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You are not understanding "doeth righteousness".

See you think that if you give money to the poor, that you are "doing righteousness".
But that isn't "righteousness".
Thats just a work, a deed, a self effort, and God says all your "works are filthy rags".

See, you have to compare what you do, with God's Holiness.
Does it rate?
Does your deed doing, = God's righteousness.
NEVER.

So, when you read a verse that is talking about "righteousness", then that is talking about God's righteousness, and you getting it., as there is no other RIGHTEOUSNESS.
The way you "do righteousness", is by being "made righteous".
Thats how you do it. = born again.

So now you change the plain meaning of words to fit your doctrine. I just read and believe my Bible. There is no verse in the Bible that says what you just said.
 
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@Sidon

It seems like we are not going to agree. My rebuttals with Scripture is suffient enough to prove that your doctrine is not biblical to the student of God's Word who simply reads the Bible plainly without any influence to change what it says. I am going to move on now.

May you come to the knowledge of the truth of God's Word.

Peace be unto you in the Lord;
And please be well.

Sincerely,

BL. Highlighter.
 
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They believe they are saved by a Belief Alone in Jesus + nothing.

No one is saved by "belief".

Salvation is not belief, its God as Christ on the Cross.

You have this idea that faith is the savior.
Its not.
God is the Savior.
He saves through faith all that will believe. "as many as believed in Jesus, He gives unto them eternal life and they shall never perish" "God gives the power to become a Son of God", through faith, as Salvation.
 
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So now you change the plain meaning of words to fit your doctrine. I just read and believe my Bible. There is no verse in the Bible that says what you just said.

I dont change my words.
I teach the same Cross, the same Blood Atonement, and the same "faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God", as "the preaching of the Cross".
Thats always what i post.

Now, can i explain that, more clearly, if need be?
All the time.
Just read my 40 Threads and nearly all of my posts, for an update.
 
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@Sidon

It seems like we are not going to agree. My rebuttals with Scripture is suffient enough to prove that your doctrine is not biblical .

Saying what isn't true is again only proving that your theology is simply false insinuation.
Just look at what you just posted.
= More false insinuation.
You can do better, hopefully, but that is not proven, yet.
 
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God does not force us to be a certain way after we make a one time decision for Christ.
According to God's word, is being born again a product of our will, or His will?
What do these describe?
John 1:11-13, James 1:18.


Does Him making us children of God hinge on Him alone, or us cooperating with Him to open our own hearts that have become darkened by sin ( Romans 1:18-32, Ephesians 4:17-19 )?

In other words, do you see that a person's heart is opened by God after we give Him permission to do so, or are we ( as rebellious sinners in desperate need of Him doing that because of our unrepentant attitude and love of sin ) totally dependent upon Him for everything...even our own hearts being so dead in trespasses and sins that He has to do so before we are willing to listen to His words ( Acts of the Apostles 16:14 )?
 
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I am not buying the whole they will obey the Lord (according to His Word) in Belief Alone-ism. The problem with Belief Alone-ism is that if you tell a child that they are saved by a belief alone in Jesus and it is nothing else in that they do, and you never see them again, they could turn out to be the next George Sodini or Kenneth Nally.
Unless they are truly born again, at which point their love and desires will inherently be towards Him and His commands and not away from those things...
Will they not?

"Wheat" and "tares" my friend ( Matthew 13 ).
One is born of God, the other is not.
One confesses Christ from a heart that has been changed ( making their obedience the evidence of His work in them ),
while the other pays lip service to Him and His ways from a heart filled with desires and lusts that are ultimately the evidence that a change has not been made by the Lord.

They simply "turned over a new leaf", and then returned to their vomit / wallowing in the mire...back to the world and its ways, which is what they really loved.

Spiritually, are there not good trees and bad trees?

God the Father plants the good tree, and prunes it.
The devil "plants" the bad tree and it never does get pruned by their "father";

It never really does produce spiritual fruit that is pleasing to God, who is not their Father.
 
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These things in Scripture would not exist if things are as you say.
I'm sorry, but I must disagree.
I see that these things are true because of His merciful gift of the new birth on someone that He has decided, in and of Himself, to have mercy and compassion towards ( Exodus 33:19, Romans 9:14-24 ).

They are the evidences of God's work in a people, who endure to the end because of their faith in Him;
Which was also a gift given to them and only them.
 
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According to God's word, is being born again a product of our will, or His will?
What do these describe?
John 1:11-13, James 1:18.


Does Him making us children of God hinge on Him alone, or us cooperating with Him to open our own hearts that have become darkened by sin ( Romans 1:18-32, Ephesians 4:17-19 )?

In other words, do you see that a person's heart is opened by God after we give Him permission to do so, or are we ( as rebellious sinners in desperate need of Him doing that because of our unrepentant attitude and love of sin ) totally dependent upon Him for everything...even our own hearts being so dead in trespasses and sins that He has to do so before we are willing to listen to His words ( Acts of the Apostles 16:14 )?

This sounds like John Calvin's Unconditonal Election.
Unconditional Election is simply not true.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 blows away Calvinism to pieces. For it says:

“And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” (2 Thessalonians 2:10).​

Paul says that those who perish are perishing because THEY received not the love of the truth. The verse does not say that they perish because they were not elected by God. Also, the verse says that they (those who perish) MIGHT be saved. In Calvinism: There is no “might be saved.”

Here is another one.

Jesus says in Luke 13:3,

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3).​

Jesus is giving a conditional statement here in that if they don't repent, they will perish.
The thing is that in Calvinism: The Non-Elect cannot repent, and the Elect are never in danger of really ever perishing. So either Jesus was not aware of Calvinistic doctrine or the Calvinist really does not really believe what our Lord actually taught in this particular instance.
 
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