Why Satan/The Devil isn't actually in the Hebrew Old Testament [VIDEO]

Hmm interesting, the latter part about the serpent the role it played, if that is correct did it go against God’s approval because it was punished for its role in the event and forced to crawl on its belly like maybe a lizard serpent lost its legs

Genesis 3
14 And HaShem G-d said unto the serpent: 'Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou from among all cattle, and from among all beasts of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.

Bereishit (Genesis): Chapter 3

Satan is limited to what God allows him so I don't know how it contradicts anything.

He was known as the Tempter, created for a specific purpose. He also appears in the NT in the desert with Jesus. The Devil or 'Diabolos'.. means false accuser. Satan means 'adversary'. Like Marvel comics the NT concept of one super villain was created by the gentiles.

BibleUnboxed said:

In the NT Satan is described as a "ruler of this world" and a prince of demons who has a kingdom of his own that works against God's kingdom.
In the Hebrew Bible (at least before the Book of Enoch) "the satan" actually worked FOR God, doing the job God gave them. Similar to "the destroyer" in Exodus.

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He works against God's Kingdom but he is still limited, do you remember the demons who begged Christ to not send them to the pit before time?

BibleUnboxed said:

In the NT Satan is described as a "ruler of this world" and a prince of demons who has a kingdom of his own that works against God's kingdom.
In the Hebrew Bible (at least before the Book of Enoch) "the satan" actually worked FOR God, doing the job God gave them. Similar to "the destroyer" in Exodus.

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There was a time he was full of wisdom, created perfect beauty but it got corrupted long ago the accuser the tree of knowledge that old false prophet serpent

I suspect that the position and role of the Adversary changed when the Son was incarnated into the realm in which the Adversary thought he had control. The Adversary of man became that adversary of the Son when the Son became a man.

BibleUnboxed said:

This might be a little controversial for some. But this is an exploration of the language and ancient context of the Hebrew Bible and why picturing Satan as "The Devil" talking to God in Job 1-3 or in Zechariah 3 is probably not accurate.

In the conceptual world of the Hebrew Bible, Satan was actually "the satan" or "the accuser" a heavenly servant of God who had a job to do, like "the destroyer" in Exodus.

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Your concept is nothing new. It has been said many times. In Job he is presented as the accuser. And he remained as such up until the cross. Until the cross He had access to heaven, as Job shows. But at the cross, he was completely cast out, no longer just an accuser, he is now a murderer, the murderer of the Son of God. Only at the cross was he actually seen for what he is. Rev. identifies who Satan is

Rev_12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev_20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation is "the Revelation of Jesus Christ." So it is through His revelation we find out who Satan really is. So yes---Job, Zechariah 3 are all accurate.

RDKirk said:

The Adversary of man

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He was never our adversary in this world as we are in his image and adversarial to the will of God.

timothyu said:

He was never our adversary in this world as we are in his image and adversarial to the will of God.

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If that is correct is the event at the knowledge tree not an adversary event against man to disobey?

BeyondET said:

If that is correct is the event at the knowledge tree not an adversary event against man to disobey?

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It was an adversarial event against God but not an adversarial event against man. What man would willingly become an ally of his adversary as mankind became.

timothyu said:

He was never our adversary in this world as we are in his image and adversarial to the will of God.

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That's not what the OT shows of him. It's not what the NT shows of him either. He has always been the Adversary (prosecutor, accuser) of man before God. That was, for instance, his role in Job.

timothyu said:

It was an adversarial event against God but not an adversarial event against man. What man would willingly become an ally of his adversary as mankind became.

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his the most cunning beast out there, he knows how to tempt disturbingly almost perfect thus can deceive man to do his will to destroy man wasn’t created to destroy but to tend to a garden nurture it take care of it.

RDKirk said:

That's not what the OT shows of him. It's not what the NT shows of him either. He has always been the Adversary (prosecutor, accuser) of man before God. That was, for instance, his role in Job.

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You are confusing a satan (adversary) with the Tempter.

BeyondET said:

his the most cunning beast out there,

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Yet if we had not become aware of ourselves compliments of the tree of K we would have remained as God intended. Also if God had not put Himself in us in order to communicate, we would be just like any other instinctive mammal out there. Instead using our self awareness we use our instinct for personal gain well beyond what it was intended for,.

timothyu said:

You are confusing a satan (adversary) with the Tempter.

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In Mark 4, Satan's tempting of Jesus, the word used is Satanas, which is Aramaic for "adversary, accuser." The same passage also calls him diabolos, false accuser, and in the same passage it also says that he peirazo Jesus--tempted Jesus.

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
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Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
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Then said Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Then the devil left him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. -- Matthew 4

So if there is any confusion of Satan, the devil, and temptation it's the writer of Matthew who must be confused and you, I guess, who sees it all clearly.

timothyu said:

Yet if we had not become aware of ourselves compliments of the tree of K we would have remained as God intended. Also if God had not put Himself in us in order to communicate, we would be just like any other instinctive mammal out there. Instead using our self awareness we use our instinct for personal gain well beyond what it was intended for,.

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man did come aware of right and wrong in that moment probably felt quite naked. sinning certainly is not a nice feeling to disobey.

BeyondET said:

man did come aware of right and wrong in that moment probably felt quite naked. sinning certainly is not a nice feeling to disobey.

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Yep and as a result they got grounded and sent off to their rooms in the world of man , forced to make their own supper for life.