Personal responsibility and school lunches

hislegacy said:

Not smaller than the heart who would end the life of a child in the name of contraception.

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You've taken quite a leap in equating contraception with abortion.

Imagine if there was no contraception.

So many hungry children who could suffer because the self-righteous were "tough-loving" their parents. So much justifiable indignation. So emotionally satisfying for those who believe in tough love.

hislegacy said:

Can you please cite the statistical analysis showing clearly how "keeping children hungry" prevents single pregnancy?

As a Christian we have a GREAT method of preventing conception - know what it is? And it is 100% effective.

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As a Christian you should be able to think of at least one exception. Not 100% effective.

grasping the after wind said:

I completely disagree that we are incapable of providing healthy food that tastes great.

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Taste is taught. What children today are taught is how to eat foods explicitly and deliberately designed to be addictive to the palate, yet devoid of substantive nutritional value.

Moreover, the government is hand-in-glove with that process. It's one of the reasons the corn lobby is so powerful and corn products are in so many foods...not to mention gasoline. Back in the 70s, the corn industry (which is the bulk as well of the sugar industry) won a decisive victory against the beef industry and, lo, the current FDA "food pyramid" was born. Coincidentally--or maybe not so coincidentally--obesity and type-2 diabetes rates in the US began to climb at the same time.

Confused-by-christianity said:

Is it fair to consider - in a nation - all children all of our responsibility? All people all of our responsibility?

(I wonder where that conversation leads haha).

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When you say "children," you're referring to the post-fetus stage, right? Because that seems to be the point where a lot of "think of the children!" people suddenly tune out.

grasping the after wind said:

You don't see a problem in parents being irresponsible? The best practical solution is for parents to take responsibility for their children and their children's nutritional needs. Placing unpalatable as well as unhealthy food in front of them and pretending they will eat it and be properly nourished instead of discarding it is hardly a practical solution.

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"There is always more than one thing happening in every situation."

Many of those areas are "food deserts" in which healthy foods are hours of travel away. And most of them are in apartments that don't have efficient kitchens. And many of them are working long hours or multiple jobs combined with long public transportation commutes. And healthy food is more expensive, grape for grape, apple for apple, than packaged junk food.

TLK Valentine said:

When you say "children," you're referring to the post-fetus stage, right? Because that seems to be the point where a lot of "think of the children!" people suddenly tune out.

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The scenario I was thinking of was - children in our communities who are older than toddlers.

hislegacy said:

Can you please cite the statistical analysis showing clearly how "keeping children hungry" prevents single pregnancy?

As a Christian we have a GREAT method of preventing conception - know what it is? And it is 100% effective.

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If you're talking about abstinence, Jesus and Paul deny that it's 100% effective.

hislegacy said:

Not smaller than the heart who would end the life of a child in the name of contraception.

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Watching children suffer does take a smaller heart.

Fantine said:

You've taken quite a leap in equating contraception with abortion.

Imagine if there was no contraception.

So many hungry children who could suffer because the self-righteous were "tough-loving" their parents. So much justifiable indignation. So emotionally satisfying for those who believe in tough love.

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Imagine people living righteous and Holy lives, not having sex outside of marriage - just that one act alone would end 90% of child deaths through abortion - along with glorifying God in our bodies.

From a Christian perspective I am sure you would agree that living righteously should be a priority.

keith99 said:

As a Christian you should be able to think of at least one exception. Not 100% effective.

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I'm glad you know what you are referring to, because I do not. The Biblical standard is in deed 100%

RDKirk said:

Watching children suffer does take a smaller heart.

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Better to kill them?

hislegacy said:

Better to kill them?

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Both effects come from the same evil spirit of indifference to life.

hislegacy said:

As a Christian we have a GREAT method of preventing conception - know what it is? And it is 100% effective.

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Fantine said:

I did not say child hunger keeps the poor from procreation.

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You said:
I am asking for you to cite the statistical analysis you spoke of.

Fantine said:

Sodafox said that less nutritional assistance might prevent some single people from having children. She was not citing a study.

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Fantine said:

You, also without citing a study, state abstinence is the answer.

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??? You need a study to tell you that you cannot get pregnant if you don't have sexual intercourse?

Fantine said:

Neither of you seem to support a pro-life backup plan for the hungry children in schools.

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Sure - put one out there and I will comment.

TLK Valentine said:

When you say "children," you're referring to the post-fetus stage, right? Because that seems to be the point where a lot of "think of the children!" people suddenly tune out.

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I was intending on discussing how outward looking we should be. Ought we to not just worry about our own but worry about others wellbeing too? Ought we take responsibility for the wellbeing of others in as much as we can?

I didn't intend on discussing abortion.
But - I would expect that - whenever you are convincted that life begins - you'd start your care from there - and for it to continue until death.

keith99 said:

As a Christian you should be able to think of at least one exception. Not 100% effective.

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WHY?

RDKirk said:

Both effects come from the same evil spirit of indifference to life.

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On that, we agree.

How do you feel about personal accountability?

Should people who cannot afford food for their child purchase alcohol, tobacco or drugs? Seems like the money would be better spent on food.

To this day I seldom eat baloney. Why? because I had a baloney sandwich, an apple and a bag of chips every stinking day for 13 years of elementary, middle and high school.

Baloney and mayo sandwich -
Baloney and Mustard sandwich -
Baloney, mayo and potato chip sandwich -
Baloney, pickle and onion sandwich -
Baloney and grape jam sandwich - (it was actually good)

I think the difference is that we lead a very sedentary lifestyle.

I walked about a half mile each way to school five days a week, when I got old enough I rode my bike. When it rained I wore boots and a rain jacket. We would get home and do our homework, go play until 5, have dinner and then go back outside until the street lights came on. Saturdays and Sundays we were moving 10 plus hours a day.

It is a completely different world today.

hislegacy said:

As a Christian we have a GREAT method of preventing conception - know what it is? And it is 100% effective.

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I would debate it is 100% effective, or that it is for everyone.

Confused-by-christianity said:

The scenario I was thinking of was - children in our communities who are older than toddlers.

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Oh please -- such post-fetuses are only the center of attention when someone wants to teach them CRT or that LGBT is a thing...

You think the powers that be want them fed? You can mow them down with a semiautomatic rifle and barely get "thoughts and prayers" anymore... and expect to get worse if they actually survive.

hislegacy said:

On that, we agree.

How do you feel about personal accountability?

Should people who cannot afford food for their child purchase alcohol, tobacco or drugs? Seems like the money would be better spent on food.

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"There is always more than one thing going on in any situation."

Your remark indicates you're only concerned about people spending money on vices instead of food, as though that one thing would solve the problem.

TLK Valentine said:

Oh please -- such post-fetuses are only the center of attention when someone wants to teach them CRT or that LGBT is a thing...

You think the powers that be want them fed? You can mow them down with a semiautomatic rifle and barely get "thoughts and prayers" anymore... and expect to get worse if they actually survive.

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Do you think that culturally, we should look after each other’s children as well as our own??