To stop sinning.

For the right reasons, I actually want to sin. For without sin, I'm perfect. And I don't want that. Because if I'm perfect, then I don't need Jesus as a role model.

So what would be the point? There's no complexity, no hardship, no bounce backs, no repentance, no study, no challenges... Life would just be a monochromatic puddle of mud ALL the time.

Eternal life and worldly life are not to be confused with each other. You can't force a 5D shape into a 3D world.

Sidon said:

You will begin to receive the POWER to stop, just as soon as you start to believe that the blood of Jesus, continues to keep you as "the righteousness of God", even while you are being carnal.

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??? Where does Scripture say this? Yes, every genuine believer is "accepted in the Beloved" (Ephesians 1:6) and his perfect righteousness is imputed to the born-again child of God (Romans 3:19-28; Romans 4; Romans 5:17-21; 1 Corinthians 1:30), placing them in a spiritual position in Christ wherein, before God, they stand fully justified and sanctified. But how does this knowledge confer power to stop sinning? It is vital to know who I am in Christ, to recognize and live in the truth of my spiritual identity, my spiritual position in him, but nowhere does Scripture say that the power to do this comes from knowing who I am in Jesus. The power to live a holy life comes from the Holy Spirit, not from mere knowledge of one's identity in Christ. (Philippians 1:6; Philippians 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24; 2 Corinthians 3:18; Jude 1:24-25; 1 Peter 5:10, Romans 8:13; Ephesians 3:16, etc.)

Sidon said:

See, God is always kept at peace with the Born again, based on the blood of God, shed, that always maintains ETERNAL salvation.

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This is false. The believer's relationship to God as an adopted son or daughter is permanent and inviolate; it cannot be dissolved or handed back since it rests upon the perfect atoning work and righteousness of Christ. But the believer's sin has a powerful negative effect upon the believer's fellowship - their intimate communion - with God. So long as a child of God lives in sin, they cannot ever enjoy intimate communion with their Heavenly Father.

Psalm 66:18
18 If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:

Isaiah 59:1-2
1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

1 Peter 3:10-12
10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

An excellent scriptural illustration of this is found in Christ's parable of the Prodigal Son. As wandering and profligate as the son was, he never ceased to be his father's son. Even if he had died, the fact of his sonship, his relationship to his father, could not have been dissolved. But what was entirely halted by the son's wicked living was his fellowship with his father. So long as the son lived in wickedness, he could not enjoy intimate communion with his father. Only when the son, in humble repentance and confession of his sin, returned to his father was their fellowship restored.

So, too, every wayward, carnal believer. Their relationship to God is unbreakable; but their fellowship with Him is fragile, easily hindered, and even entirely halted, by the believer's sin.

Sidon said:

So, when a born again person, gets the revelation that they are "made righteous", and this does not change based on how they behave, then at that point, in that very instant, they have begun to SEE "the Gift of Righteousness", which is "the GIFT of Salvation" = that is the "gift of God".

They begin to SEE that they were born again to REMAIN AS..."the righteousness of GOD.....in Christ"

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Just as putting on a bear-skin coat does not make me a bear, fanged, and clawed, and 800lbs., "putting on Christ" (Romans 13:14) does not make me Christ in all his perfection and power. My position in Christ as perfectly justified is a forensic thing, a judicial declaration pronounced by God upon me; it is not a statement of my actually, in practice and material substance, being truly perfectly righteous. The very fact that you are writing about how a Christian may overcome sin highlights this clearly. Merely knowing that one is forensically justified before God does not, in-and-of itself, impart power to the believer to live a righteous life. It does relieve them of the fear of rejection by God, of the impossible pressure of making everything in their life as a Christian hinge on their perfect success in being holy, but the actual power to be a righteous person comes only from God.

Sidon said:

And once they see it,.. one you see it.... then you find your REST from trying to be good to be accepted by God, as this has now become...REAL FAITH =. "i see that i am always KEPT righteous" by God's blood.

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There is no respite from being good, only from trying to earn God's acceptance. Though fully accepted by God, we are to be holy as God is holy (1 Peter 1:16), always actively pursuing a Christ-centered, righteous life - but in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Sidon said:

When a born again person SEES this revelation, then real faith has begun, and they are no longer this....
"apart from me you can do nothing", which is why they sin and confess.
See, a person is sinning and confessing because they dont UNDERSTAND OR SEE That God's Blood always keeps them in perfect relationship with God....as a "SON OF GOD"....born again.

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Scripture, please. Lots of assertions but nothing anchoring them well in God's word.

Believers sin because, fundamentally, they are not living in constant submission to God. No amount of awareness of one's identity in Christ can accomplish what presenting oneself as a "living sacrifice" to God (Romans 12:1) all day, every day, can accomplish. God waits upon our yielding ourselves to Him (Romans 6:13) before He fills us with Himself, with His power to be holy, with the supernatural power that transforms us. Only as we go low before Him does He lift us up. (James 4:7-10; 1 Peter 5:5-6)

Sidon said:

Now, when a believer SEES this TRUTH..... then this knowledge that is their VICTORY .... has become their TRUTH, and the "Knowledge of the TRUTH shall set you free". = "Christ ALWAYS gives me the VICTORY".

That is REAL FAITH.

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Knowledge is not our victory; Christ is. The Truth is a Person: Jesus Christ (John 14:6), not just a set of spiritual facts. And we are delivered by him into a holy life, not by knowledge about him. Spiritual truth leads us to Christ, but it must never replace him.

Sidon said:

God came to resolve your sin for you.
If He wanted you to keep it, He would not have suffered for your sin, on the Cross, so that you can become a part of His Eternal family by being forgiven all your sin.

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Are you free of all sin?

Honest question.

Sidon said:

Christ became the sin of ALL the born again, on the Cross.
Christ died for the sin of the WORLD.
This is why Christ lives in the born again = Spirit of the Born again, and the Born again are "One with God, in Christ".

You can't have sin and exist in that situation.

This is why the NT tells you that the born again are "made righteous".

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But what about 1 John 1:10?

You understand WHY I have to ask.

In this thread I've read a variety views/opinion's & everyone is entitled to their belief.

In the end we will stand alone before of God & Savior & answer for ourselves only. I'll share a few of my own here as well.

Source Amplified Bible
Rom 1:7 [I am writing] to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called to be saints (God’s people) and set apart for a sanctified life, [that is, set apart for God and His purpose]: Grace to you and peace [inner calm and spiritual well-being] from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
(MY NOTE: The Roman epistle is written to saints/believers)

Faith will lead the believers to obedience:

Rom 1:5 "Through him we received grace" & apostleship "to call all the Gentiles to the obedience" "that comes from faith" for his name’s sake.
(MY NOTE: Gentiles are called to FAITH, which leads to obedience)

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
(NOTE: It's not thru our greatness of obedience that we repent/change our thinking outlook. It's the indwelling Holy Spirit that leads us to repent/change our thinking outlook).

Rom 16:26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all the "Gentiles might come to the obedience "that comes from faith"
(NOTE: It's thru FAITH that gentiles are brought to obedience/repentance/godly living)

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for "you are not under law but under grace"
(MY NOTE: This doesn't mean you can't or won't miss the mark & sin/we all do. ALL Past-Present-Future are sins, Forgiven! (Rom 8:1, 1 Jn 2:12, Eph 1:7, 4:32, Col 3:13, Heb 9:12, 10:14, 13:20) He imputes all your sins onto Himself & His righteousness onto you)

This doesn't mean post New covenant conversion/salvation, sin never carries a consequence. Having said that, loss of salvation isn't one on those consequence (1 Cor 3:15).

Consequence from sinning post-conversion/salvation could manifest itself, in many different ways. A health issue, a broken relationship, prison, disease, lost heavenly rewards earned etc.

There is only 1 unforgivable sin = lack of Faith/REJECTING Christ's sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection.

Good works & obedience are the evidence of your Faith not the cause of your salvation.

Post conversion we enter into a reward based meritocracy.

1 Cor 3:
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
(NOTE: Rewards are given based on work done in Christ's name)

9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(NOTE: Gold & silver = Good works done in Christ's name. Hay, wood & stubble = no works, selfish works, bad works)

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(NOTE: Every work good & bad will be tested)

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(NOTE: Good works done in Christ's name will receive a reward. Even a drink or water given in His name will receive a reward (Matt 10:42, Mk 9;41))

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(NOTE: Hay, wood & stubble deeds will burn-up bringing, shame & loss = """OF REWARDS EARNED""" not SALVATION)

Rereading verse 15: He "Will SUFFER LOSS", though he "HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED"
(MY NOTE: Sin can still deliver an adverse effect. But, not the loss of one's salvation!)

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Matt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matt 10:
41 Jesus said; He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

Sidon said:

Let me show you how you stop sinning.

You will begin to receive the POWER to stop, just as soon as you start to believe that the blood of Jesus, continues to keep you as "the righteousness of God", even while you are being carnal.

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1 Peter 4:
1 Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind,
for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,
2 that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the
will of God.

Sidon said:

You could not explain what it means to "arm yourself with the same mind", that is to be the "suffering of Christ in the FLesh", if you tried.
But you will misuse these verses, that seems to be saying that suffering is how to stop sinning, as you particular theology of self justification.

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This has nothing to do with self-justification, which is not a part of my "particular theology", but
a vain accusation made by you based on insufficient comprehension. Since you are concerned
with misuse of verses, I will gladly point out to you that this his statement is consistent with the
context, and overall theme of the letter.
1 Peter 1:
6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved
by various trials,
7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes,
though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at
the revelation of Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 2:
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief,
suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently?
But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable
before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example,
that you should follow His steps.
1 Peter 3:
17 For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring
us to God, being put to death in the flesh but *made alive by the Spirit*.

Since you prefer to teach from Paul's theology, and I have taken the time to elaborate on
the teaching from Peter, maybe you could explain this statement by Paul on how to treat
someone from among the congregation who has fallen back into sin.
1 Corinthians 5:
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together,
along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that
*his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus*.

Sidon said:

You could not explain what it means to "arm yourself with the same mind", that is to be the "suffering of Christ in the FLesh", if you tried.

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Then why does Peter say to do so?

Sidon said:

But you will misuse these verses, that seems to be saying that suffering is how to stop sinning, as your particular theology of Legalistic self justification.

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I did not misuse the verses in any way. I simply posted the scriptures as relevant to a thread
entitled "To stop sinning", and Peter said "he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin".
If you do not see a connection, you could say so without lashing out at someone personally.
But that is, for a fact, what you do.

Sidon said:

This Marytr's complex theology that you are teaching that claims that the born again are to suffer in the same way that Jesus was tortured on the Cross......and that God treats His born again family this way to get them to stop sinnig, is really harmful theology.
Its accuses God of being a brutal hateful tormentor.
So, whatever denomination has taught you to believe such a horrible concept of "FATHER" God,...... has led you into some serious heresy.

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Once again, you are talking like a complete fool. All I have done is post the scriptures.
If Peter's statements sound like "a martyr's complex", the problem is in your head.

Hebrews 12:
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you
become weary and discouraged in your souls.
4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.

Sidon said:

Have you ever been sick?
Have you ever broken your nose, neck, arm, leg?
Have you ever had a kidney stone?
Have you ever had a broken heart that just about killed you for months?

Did any of this cause you to stop sinning?
If it did, why do you sin and confess?

So, can you stop playing games with the NT?

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This has absolutely nothing to do with what Peter wrote. You should read
his words before commenting on them. They are not my words, but yours'
reveal the thoughts of your heart. I will assist using bold.
1 Peter 2:
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief,
suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently?
But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable
before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example,
that you should follow His steps.
1 Peter 3:
17 For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring
us to God, being put to death in the flesh but *made alive by the Spirit*.
Peter is only speaking of suffering endured for the Name of Jesus, not all that
mess that you talked about. All this leads up to chapter 4.
"for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin"
What do you think the chastening of the Lord is about?
Hebrews 12:
4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.
5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there
whom a father does not chasten?
8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are
illegitimate and not sons.
9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect.
Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.
11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless,
afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.