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It wouldn't bother me in the least, not that it's the same thing.
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Pledge of Allegiance Canceled in Colorado Town, Sparking Outrage
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You just want to strip the citizenship of people who don’t. I think this is the wrong country for you. If you want forced loyalty oaths, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is going to be more your speed. You should move there.
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They do that when they become citizens -- saying magic words to a flag is different.
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Sort of. In a later decision they decided it doesn’t protect students themselves, but their parents. A school may require a written request from a parent to exempt a student. It’s a bit unclear just what rights minors actually have.
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That sounds totalitarian to me. We live in a free country where its citizens are free to choose.
That remark contradicts your previous disgruntled statement that I quoted first.
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Are we free to choose to commit treason?
Nope not at all. I never said anyone should be forced to say the pledge of allegiance. I also never said that anyone should be forced to leave either although I would encourage people who don’t want to pledge their loyalty to this country to perhaps seek citizenship somewhere they feel more comfortable. My point being that if this country is so bad that a person doesn’t want to pledge their loyalty to it then perhaps they can find another country more to their liking so that everyone can be happy.
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Are we free to choose to commit treason?
Why does one need to pledge loyalty. One can be loyal without the pledge.
Nope not at all. I never said anyone should be forced to say the pledge of allegiance. I also never said that anyone should be forced to leave either although I would encourage people who don’t want to pledge their loyalty to this country to perhaps seek citizenship somewhere they feel more comfortable. My point being that if this country is so bad that a person doesn’t want to pledge their loyalty to it then perhaps they can find another country more to their liking so that everyone can be happy.
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American citizens are free to choose to commit treason. The violent siege on the Capitol by an angry horde of Trump supporters attempting to overturn the presidential election demonstrates this point.
532 people have been charged in the Capitol insurrection so far. This searchable table shows them all.
Nope not at all. I never said anyone should be forced to say the pledge of allegiance. I also never said that anyone should be forced to leave either although I would encourage people who don’t want to pledge their loyalty to this country to perhaps seek citizenship somewhere they feel more comfortable. My point being that if this country is so bad that a person doesn’t want to pledge their loyalty to it then perhaps they can find another country more to their liking so that everyone can be happy.
I don't recite the Pledge of Allegiance and I don't stand for the National Anthem either. As a Christian, I consider these prideful gestures of paying homage to America as idolatry against God and I will not participate in it. Besides, I don't need these hollow gestures of outward piety to express patriotism.
I can express patriotism by voting in elections, supporting the military, and expressing my gratitude to veterans for their service whenever I have the chance. Of course, I recited the Pledge in school while growing up because I wasn't given a choice. I have that choice as an adult. As a Christian, I choose not to participate in these expressions of piety and pay homage to America. My allegiance is to God.
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Where I have been in Massachusetts, Catholic school students can be seen in uniforms. And I was told, once, that the purpose of uniforms can be so you don't have certain students dressing more expensively while others who are poor have less expensive clothes.
But I think it can work that everyone comes as they are and they learn how to love different people.
And, with this . . . I do well simply to love the different people, ones who pledge and those who don't. Everything possibly can have a good point. Not saying the pledge can mean I am not conceited, like my country is better than others, and my people are somehow superior. But if I say a pledge, it can mean I am loyal to all people in my country being benefited, but also I love other people of other countries as myself. So, we want our cup to run over; but of course higher rulers could be favoring only countries they hope to use somehow for their own selves; so my pledge of allegiance might not mean I am loyal to rulers and others with self-promoting motives. And I with God need to do the good that I can, in my country and elsewhere.
So, what I mean by a uniform or not, and a pledge or not needs to be with God through Jesus.
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If you assume our country is reasonably ok, then the kind of serious betrayal involved in treason is going to mean supporting a tyranny. We don’t normally charge people with treason for betraying us to Canada.
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@Bradskii,
Trump cuddling the American flag was clearly a photo-op that he knew would pull at the heartstrings of his loyal supporters. And Melania had to nudge him to remind him to put his hand over his heart.
Trump cuddling the American flag was clearly a photo-op that he knew would pull at the heartstrings of his loyal supporters. And Melania had to nudge him to remind him to put his hand over his heart.
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The term allegiance involves not just loyalty, but fidelity and obligation.
Pledging to the flag or country for a Christian can be nothing but disingenuous, or at the least tenuous, knowing that at any time we may be required to go against the country if our higher loyalty to God supersedes. Best not to make pledges we know we can't keep.
If you insist on doing so for yourself, be clear that you are dividing your loyalties, and do not seek to exile those who choose not to.
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Cornish and Welsh are very close members of the Celtic family. Celtic was the original (pre 5th century) language spoken in Britain. "Wales", and the "wall" in Cornwall both come from the Anglo Saxon word "weilas" meaning stranger/foreigner.
When the Anglo Saxons invaded Britain in the 5th century, Celtic Britons became 'strangers' in their own land.
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Have you seen this website... ... .
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