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That’s all I have been taught by my teacher, to realize who we are in Christ, the new inner man or woman : to see yourself for who you are in Christ. To grow in knowledge of God and The Lord Jesus Christ, and be renewed in our mind and not according to the pattern of this world. But being renewed spiritually. God changes our hearts from our old man or woman state when we die with Christ in his death and we are raised again spiritually in newness of life with Christ in us, by being born again.
 
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That’s all I have been taught by my teacher, to realize who we are in Christ, the new inner man or woman : to see yourself for who you are in Christ. To grow in knowledge of God and The Lord Jesus Christ, and be renewed in our mind and not according to the pattern of this world. But being renewed spiritually. God changes our hearts from our old man or woman state when we die with Christ in his death and we are raised again spiritually in newness of life with Christ in us, by being born again.

When you realize that you exist in God, but live on earth, in a body.....
When you read..>"seated in heavenly places in Christ' and realize that this is the real you, and not the body or the "reasoning intellect".
When you can see yourself as how God has birthed you, into His Holy Spirit, by the Holy Spirit....when you SEE THIS,...and this your mind, then you are discovering the WONDER of what it means to be a "new Creation" IN Christ".
You are SEEING SALVATiON as it EXISTs as "One with God In Christ".
 
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It's not about one's identity while one ignores their actions, but it is about one's fruit determining their fate or position.
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God's salvation is not determined by your self effort.
So, when you try to save yourself, you are actually rejecting God's Salvation.
And when you preach the gospel of works, you are become this... Galatians 1:8
 
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Thank you for your encouragement.


The born again are not the body or the mind, we are a "new Creation", "in Christ".

Look at this verse.

"As JESUS IS, so are the born again....>In THIS world'...

So, does that sound like a "saved sinner" needing to repent and confess sin?

Think about this.....if we have become God's Righteousness, are we supposed to be found in Pulpits and on "christian forums" ranting about the law and commandments and self effort, as our way of trying to save ourselves or keep ourselves saved.?


So, you are on my "walking in the Spirit" Thread.
I have many Threads on this Fourm.
One is posted to highlight the devil's workers whose gospel is the gospel of self effort and commandment keeping.
So, note those, who teach the Devil's "gospel of works".... and learn how to hear them.
 
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Its good that you found me.
Now you are talking about the Cross.
Thats wonderful.
Indeed my good fortune, for I did have a question, and who better to answer!
What prophecies were fulfilled by Christ dying on a cross?
Why not some other means of execution?
 
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Indeed my good fortune, for I did have a question, and who better to answer!
What prophecies were fulfilled by Christ dying on a cross?
Why not some other means of execution?


And after i post a few, you will go and gather them all, and cut and paste them for us?
That should be impressive.
I could do that, but im busy with 40 or 50 posts i need to respond to, this last 2 hrs.
So, let me respond to you, and continue with the work.
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Now.
The reason the Cross was used, was because the Cross is prophesied.

"He who hangs on a Tree, is cursed".

Also, we are told that "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of Sin".
So, in the case of Christ....This is GOD's BLood, and that is why its a "one time sacrifice", never to be repeated, as this Sacrifice of God is a eternal one time, sacrifice....for the world.


the Psalms says he was pierced, and that those who did it, would look upon him.

Another OT prophecy, said that not one of Christ's bones would be broken.

Another in Genesis said that the seed of the woman would crush the head of the serpent, and that is Christ on the Cross, doing it.
 
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And after i post a few, you will go and gather them all, and cut and paste them for us?
That should be impressive.
You are cute when you are busy.

Now.
The reason the Cross was used, was because the Cross is prophesied.

"He who hangs on a Tree, is cursed".
Tree is used 3X rather than cross in Acts
5:30
The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. (Peter)
10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews
and in Jerusalem, whom they killed by hanging on a tree. (Peter)
13:29 Now when they had fulfilled all that was written concerning Him,
they took Him down from the tree and laid Him in a tomb. (Paul)

The Law, as it normally does, is concerned with not defiling the land.
Deuteronomy 21:
22
If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death,
and you hang him on a tree,
23 his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury
him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving
you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God.

Paul uses this command to teach on his view of the Law.
There is nothing prophetic being fulfilled with regards to the means of His death.


Galatians 3:
10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written,
Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book
of the law, to do them.”
11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident,
for the just shall live by faith.

Also, we are told that "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of Sin".
So, in the case of Christ....This is GOD's BLood, and that is why its a "one time sacrifice", never to be repeated, as this Sacrifice of God is a eternal one time, sacrifice....for the world.


the Psalms says he was pierced, and that those who did it, would look upon him.

Another OT prophecy, said that not one of Christ's bones would be broken.

Another in Genesis said that the seed of the woman would crush the head of the serpent, and that is Christ on the Cross, doing it.
Yes, these are prophecies concerning the Messiah, but there is no reference to the means
of His death on a tree, or a cross. Nothing to cut and paste from here. You have made no to
connection to prophecy, and why Christ had to die the way He did.
Here is what He had to say:

John 12:
32
And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.
33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
This is both prophetic, and supported by OT prophecies.
Soon we may have something worth cutting and pasting. Good guesses though.
 
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God's salvation is not determined by your self effort.So, when you try to save yourself, you are actually rejecting God's Salvation.

So why did Peter say in Acts of the Apostles 2:40, “...Save yourselves from this untoward generation.” ?

Also, Paul says work out your salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12).

Jesus says, “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” (Luke 13:24).

Jesus also says:
“Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life,...” (John 6:27).

The author of Hebrews says,
“And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;” (Hebrews 5:9).

Furthermore, we are told:

“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).

"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).

"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).​


We are told to:

  1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).

  2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).

  3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

So this does not sound like doing nothing as you suggest.

You said:
And when you preach the gospel of works, you are become this... Galatians 1:8

Paul was arguing against “Works ALONE Salvationism” via by the Old Law (i.e. the 613 Laws of Moses) that is no longer in effect as a whole or package deal.

Paul was fighting against what I would call, "Circumcision Salvationism" (Which is Law Alone Salvationism without God's grace); A certain sect of Jews were trying to deceive some Christians into thinking they had to first be circumcised in order to be saved. This was a heresy that was clearly addressed at the Jerusalem council (See Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, Acts of the Apostles 15:24). Paul also addressed this problem; Paul said to the Galatians that if you seek to be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing (Galatians 5:2), and then Paul mentions how if you seek to be justified by the Law, you have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4). This "law" is the Torah because circumcision is not a part of the commands given to us by Jesus and His followers.

The Bible teaches that there are two aspects of salvation that believers need to be concerned with.

#1. God's Grace Through Faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior
(Initial Salvation, and or Foundational Salvation).
(The 1st synergistic work of GOD done in a believer).
Being saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus as ones Savior is the entrance gate to salvation, and it is the foundation of our salvation (by faith) upon which we stand. Being saved by God's grace is believing the gospel (Which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes it - Romans 1:16). According to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4: The gospel is you believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins, He was buried, and He had risen again three days later for your salvation (Note: Do not let anyone sell you on another gospel besides this one). Depending on a person’s access or exposure to the Word: Being saved by God's grace will also generally include receiving Jesus as your Savior (John 1:12), and calling upon the name of the Lord (i.e. confessing with your mouth the words: “Lord Jesus” or similar equivalent - Romans 10:9) as a part of seeking forgiveness of your sins with Him by way of prayer (Romans 10:13) (Luke 15:18-21) (Luke 18:9-14). This process of salvation is without the deeds of the Law or works because it is based upon God’s mercy and grace and His redemptive work. As a result: One is born again spiritually (Note: Born again by the Spirit, and born again by water (i.e. the Scriptures - Romans 10:17, 1 Peter 1:23)). A person is foundationally or ultimately saved by God’s grace because if they happen to sin on rare occasion in their Christian walk, they do not do a good work to absolve that sin, but they confess of their sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of that sin (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1) (Hebrews 4:16) (For verses on being saved by God's grace, see: Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-6, Titus 3:4-7, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 18:9-14, Romans 5:1-2).

#2. Sanctification of the Spirit to Live a Holy Life
(The Next Step or Phase in the Salvation Process).
(The 2nd synergistic work of God done in a believer).
Sanctification of the Spirit to Live a Holy Life is the next step or phase in Salvation for a believer who lives out their faith; This is the work of God moving in a believer's life so as to help them to live holy, and to do good works and to put away the lusts of the flesh. These good works are the works of God done through the believer, and so all boasting or praise is given to the Lord. Therefore, there is no boasting in one's own work because they are ultimately the works of God done through the believer. A believer today who obeys the Lord looks to the commands of Jesus and His followers within the New Testament primarily. For believers today are not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole package deal (even though certain laws have carried over into the New Testament). Basically all ceremonial laws and judicial laws in the Old Testament no longer apply. For example: Believers do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, animal sacrifices, holy days, etc.; However, believers must keep God's Moral Laws like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, do not lie, do commit adultery, etc.; Two of the greatest commands that we should focus on daily is to love God and love our neighbor which is more fully described in Mark 12:29-31. We need to worship or adore the Lord our God, preach the gospel, help the poor, love the brethren, love our enemies, and live holy lives, etc. (For Sanctification verses, see: James 2:24, James 2:17-18, Titus 1:16, Hebrews 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Hebrews 12:14, Romans 8:1 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 16:22, Romans 8:13, etc.).
 
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You are cute when you are busy.
Tree is used 3X rather than cross in Acts
Yes, these are prophecies concerning the Messiah, but there is no reference to the means
of His death on a tree, or a cross. Nothing to cut and paste from here. You have made no to
connection to prophecy, and why Christ had to die the way He did.
Here is what He had to say:

John 12:
32
And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.
33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
This is both prophetic, and supported by OT prophecies.
Soon we may have something worth cutting and pasting. Good guesses though.

None of my verses i wrote were ""guesses.""
Stop lying.
really.

And i said you'd post more regarding the prophecies.
After all, that is why you asked me the question.
So, that you could come back and paste, and pretend by doing this that you are an authority.

So,
Im a prophet????.,or do i just understand your type?

discern that.
 
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None of my verses i wrote were ""guesses.""
Stop lying.
really.
I told no lie. Nothing you wrote was relevant. Calling it guessing was as accurate way
of saying that you are wrong, and your response was irrelevant. Keep trying.
And i said you'd post more regarding the prophecies.
After all, that is why you asked me the question.
So, that you could come back and paste, and pretend by doing this that you are an authority.
Yeah, I got that the first time. A very dumb suggestion. You really aren't quotable,
other than in parody.
So,
Im a prophet????.,or do i just understand your type?

discern that.
I discern that the more you speak, the less you say. And always boorish.
 
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So why did Peter say in Acts of the Apostles 2:40, “...Save yourselves from this untoward generation.” ?
Also, Paul says work out your salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12).
Jesus says, “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” (Luke 13:24).
J.

Thanks for the questions..


""""""""""""So why did Peter say in Acts of the Apostles 2:40, “...Save yourselves from this untoward generation.” ?""""""""""""


Because that generation, till now, is the generation that Rejected their Messiah.
So, Peter was telling them to not be like them.....= Christ Rejecting Jews.
Save yourself from them...
You do that by Trusting in Christ, and that generation that Peter was describing, never have.



""""""""Also, Paul says work out your salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12).""""""


Notice what the verse does not say...>work out your salvation, so that you don't lose it".

The verse does not say..>"work out your salvation, so that in the end, if you endure, you just might squeeze into heaven , if you work hard enough on keeping those commandments".

Also, a better way to understand the "with fear and trembling"< is..>"in awe and wonder".
That is the best way to SEE that phrase.

Now, how do you "work out your salvation"?
First you have to be born again, and not just water baptized.
Notice that you have it.?
Notice that you have it, to work it out?
You HAVE IT, already, if you are born again...... and now, "work it out".

How do you work out the SALVATION you have?

1.) You learn how to exist within it, perfectly.
2.) This is learning now to "walk in the Spirit".

Notice... = when you have Salvation, you are now IN the Kingdom of God.
The born again Live there...... That is where Eternal Life, exists.
And in this Kingdom, which is Spiritual, you are to learn how to exist in it, correctly.
Thats how you '"work out your salvation"..



""""""""Jesus says, “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” (Luke 13:24)."""""""

Notice first, that Jesus is not talking about being born again.
Now do you know?
Its because Jesus is not on the Cross yet, in this verse.
There is no Cross yet, Bible Highlighter.
Christ has not yet done this yet..... John 3:16

This is why God is talking about "gates" vs THE CROSS.... John 14:6

So, another member here has confused the Blood of Jesus and the Cross of Christ, with a "gate".
There are a few of you.
Probably the same Church.

So, let me show you the WAY to heaven, and its not a "gate".

The way to heaven, is God's BLOOD.
If God has applied Christ's Blood to you, then you are born again.

If you are born again, you will go to heaven.
Jesus said...>"you MUST be born again".

That is how you go to heaven, and Jesus is a Savior, ...He is not a "gate".
 
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I told no lie. Nothing you wrote was relevant. Calling it guessing was as accurate way

No proof.
You just like to hear yourself talk.

So, if you decide to ask a question or a few, then we can have a conversation.
But if you just want to pretend you are an authority, then what's the point?
 
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So, if you decide to ask a question or a few
I have no questions for you. Thanks for the offer. As to my posts, and wanting to hear myself
talk, you must be thinking of someone else. Most of my response is scripture quoted for
consideration on the topic, that you overlook or avoid.
Why don't you respond to post#28. If you were truly wanting conversation, you would read
and respond appropriately. I read your OP post #1, it left a lot to be considered, but you don't
seem to have time by your own admission.
 
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But if you just want to pretend you are an authority, then what's the point?
Look to yourself.
2 John 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought,
but that we receive a full reward.

You will never come to the throne, if you think walking in the Spirit is centered on the Cross.
Mark 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
 
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No proof.
You just like to hear yourself talk.
Everything I post is primarily scriptures to support an idea. You should try it some
time and stop rambling on and on with opinions, and very little scripture in support.
Look at any of your threads, I check them out all the time. You don't teach the word
of God, but some sort of "name it, claim it" propaganda, while averting the word of truth.
If there is two direct quotes from scripture, that is a lot for you.
 
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Christianity has not been centered around Christ's Blood and The Cross, for quite a while now.
Notice that you never hear about those as DOCTRINE in your "church"?
NO PROOF. Which church are you referring to anyway.
 
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The Good News is, we are on a "christian" forum and we can lift up the Cross and give praise to the LIVING GOD who hung on the Cross for you and me so that we can become "blood bought" and "reconciled", a SON of GOD, eternally redeemed, forever.
We do not lift up the cross friend. The Cross lifted up Christ to the world. Now He is seated
on the throne. This is the place from which you receive the Holy Spirit.
Psalm 29:2 Give unto the Lord the glory due unto his name;
worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness.

When did the cross become the beauty of holiness for you? He is alive, He is risen!
He has ascended to the right hand of power. Why would you venerate the cross?
Could you post a few scriptures where this is done in the apostolic doctrines of the NT?
 
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That is not your body.
This is not keeping commandments or law.
That is not taking communion.
That is not water baptism.
That is not enduring to the end.
That is not presenting your body a living sacrifice.
That is not be holy as i am holy.
It is in fact all these things. NO PROOF for what you are asserting.
Walking in the Spirit, which is in your "earthen vessel".

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you
present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God,
which is your reasonable service.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that
keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse
ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit,
perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

These scriptures are just 3 examples that do NOT support what you are contending.
If you think you can prove otherwise, say on.
 
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