What will heaven be like?

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Will heaven be the exact same for all of us? What does the Bible mean being awarded precious stones, while others may have no stones at all. Or having the 5 crowns?

What exactly is outer darkness, is it the same as hell? Are there lesser hells depending on the severity of sin?

While in heaven, will Satan be released for a thousand years and deceive the saved, so according to this there will be saved people in heaven, then in hell for being deceived by Satan?

Will saved Christians have to endure the tribulation mentioned in Revelation or will they be raptured before the wrath? I thought Christians are not appointed to wrath, so will Christians have to worry about taking the mark of the beast, is the mark already here as claimed?
 
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honestly it sounds to me from reading this post you're confusing what occurs in heaven with what occurs on earth, for starters.

Will Satan be in heaven? No, Satan no longer has access to the Throne with which to accuse the brethren:

Jesus replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." Luke 10:18

So after we pass from this life to the next Satan has no ability to so much as tempt anyone, his access is fully gone.

Just because your saved doesn't absolve us from facing trials and temptations in this life, and nothing in the Bible says that any group will not face the great tribulation, only that God's people will not ultimately succumb to the wiles of the devil, and as such will be saved out of it, upon their death.

I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” John 16:33

Christians will face the tribulation, but thats okay, God will protect and preserve His people. Like Simon Peter, they will be shielded by the prayers of Christ and the power of God:

“Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.” Luke 22:31-32

This is accomplished through the activity of faith

who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 Peter 1:5.

It is appointed to all men to die once, and then rise to the judgement, either to life eternal or to death. Hebrews 9:27-28.

In heaven we will be in the worship of our Lord and our God. :)

We are not more special to God than those who came before us and were tested unto death, and if you think you are, that's your ego talking. Not Scripture.
 
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Will heaven be the exact same for all of us? What does the Bible mean being awarded precious stones, while others may have no stones at all. Or having the 5 crowns?

Heaven will be the same, but we will retain our personality/character ... there will be no sin in heaven.

I think precious stones are metaphors for being glorified with God.

What exactly is outer darkness, is it the same as hell? Are there lesser hells depending on the severity of sin?

Outer darkness is a metaphor for separation from God. There aren't lesser hells. Hell is the grave, all who die earthly death are in hell (dormant in the grave) and know nothing.

While in heaven, will Satan be released for a thousand years and deceive the saved, so according to this there will be saved people in heaven, then in hell for being deceived by Satan?

No when Jesus returns the 1st resurrection (of the saved) happens and are taken to heaven for the 1,000 years ... all of humanity on earth are destroyed. Later the 2nd resurrection (of the lost) happens and things play out from there.

Will saved Christians have to endure the tribulation mentioned in Revelation or will they be raptured before the wrath? I thought Christians are not appointed to wrath, so will Christians have to worry about taking the mark of the beast, is the mark already here as claimed?

Christians will go through the great tribulation but it will be cut short.

The mark of the beast is a false religious system and many will be deceived by it.

The seal of God with the mark of the beast. What differences between them are mentioned? Rev. 7:3, Rev. 14:9.

The seal is given to true worshipers of God while the mark is given to worshipers of the beast. The seal is given only in the forehead, indicating a definite choice of the mind to worship God in the way that He has commanded.

The mark, on the other hand, is given either in the forehead or in the hand. This means that people may worship the beast for one of two reasons. Either in their minds they agree with it, thinking that they are truly worshiping God, or else they don’t agree with it but they go along because they are afraid of the serious consequences of not conforming: being unable to buy or sell and eventually being killed (Rev. 13:17, Rev. 13:15) .

The mark will be a enforced way of worship. Yet to come, so no, it hasn't happened yet and no one has taken the mark.

Exodus 20:8
Ezekiel 20:20
 
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What will heaven be like?
I believe that it is beyond the grasp of fallen, fleshly brains.
The best that we can know, right now is
Heaven is good;
Hell is bad.​

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
1 Corinthians 2:9 NKJV​
 
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Christians will go through the great tribulation but it will be cut short.

The mark of the beast is a false religious system and many will be deceived by it.

The seal of God with the mark of the beast. What differences between them are mentioned? Rev. 7:3, Rev. 14:9.

The seal is given to true worshipers of God while the mark is given to worshipers of the beast. The seal is given only in the forehead, indicating a definite choice of the mind to worship God in the way that He has commanded.

The mark, on the other hand, is given either in the forehead or in the hand. This means that people may worship the beast for one of two reasons. Either in their minds they agree with it, thinking that they are truly worshiping God, or else they don’t agree with it but they go along because they are afraid of the serious consequences of not conforming: being unable to buy or sell and eventually being killed (Rev. 13:17, Rev. 13:15) .

The mark will be a enforced way of worship. Yet to come, so no, it hasn't happened yet and no one has taken the mark.

Exodus 20:8
Ezekiel 20:20

"And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit" Ephesians 1:13

Therefore, God is actively sealing His people now:

“Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
Revelation 7:3

It's an unseen seal, yet known and visible through actions.

"Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 1:10-11
 
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"And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit" Ephesians 1:13

Therefore, God is actively sealing His people now:

“Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
Revelation 7:3

It's an unseen seal, yet known and visible through actions.

"Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 1:10-11

TWO SEALS

Seal of the gospel and the apocalyptic seal, the sealing work is done by the Holy Spirit.

The first one, the seal of the gospel, is placed on all those who accept Jesus as their Savior, and it is placed at the time they accept Him (2 Cor. 1:22; Eph. 1:13; 4:30; 2 Tim. 2:19). The second one, the apocalyptic seal, is placed on those who have received the first seal and are alive and faithful to their calling during the apocalyptic days that come just before Jesus returns the second time (Rev. 7:3, 4, 14–17).

The first is a seal of salvation, declaring that a person is saved by Christ and is part of God’s family, with that status remaining so long as the person remains faithful to Christ.

The second is a seal of protection that guards the faithful ones during the time of
persecution that comes in the apocalyptic period.

One is a seal of acceptance, and the other is a seal of final confirmation.

The first seal is initial declaration that a person belongs to Christ and is placed at the time that person accepts Jesus. The second confirms faithfulness in following the Lamb and God’s leadership in their lives, doing His will, keeping His commandments, and living according to His revealed Word during earth’s final hours (Rev. 7:14–17; 12:17; 13:10; 14:4, 5, 12; 17:14; 19:10).

The first seal is placed at the time of acceptance of Christ as Savior, and the redeemed retain it as long as they remain faithful to their calling. The second seal is placed on those who have received the first seal and live during the apocalyptic days, faithful to their calling.

Although the seal of the gospel can be broken by falling away from faith, the apocalyptic seal is permanent.
 
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TWO SEALS

Seal of the gospel and the apocalyptic seal, the sealing work is done by the Holy Spirit.

The first one, the seal of the gospel, is placed on all those who accept Jesus as their Savior, and it is placed at the time they accept Him (2 Cor. 1:22; Eph. 1:13; 4:30; 2 Tim. 2:19). The second one, the apocalyptic seal, is placed on those who have received the first seal and are alive and faithful to their calling during the apocalyptic days that come just before Jesus returns the second time (Rev. 7:3, 4, 14–17).

The first is a seal of salvation, declaring that a person is saved by Christ and is part of God’s family, with that status remaining so long as the person remains faithful to Christ.

The second is a seal of protection that guards the faithful ones during the time of
persecution that comes in the apocalyptic period.

One is a seal of acceptance, and the other is a seal of final confirmation.

The first seal is initial declaration that a person belongs to Christ and is placed at the time that person accepts Jesus. The second confirms faithfulness in following the Lamb and God’s leadership in their lives, doing His will, keeping His commandments, and living according to His revealed Word during earth’s final hours (Rev. 7:14–17; 12:17; 13:10; 14:4, 5, 12; 17:14; 19:10).

The first seal is placed at the time of acceptance of Christ as Savior, and the redeemed retain it as long as they remain faithful to their calling. The second seal is placed on those who have received the first seal and live during the apocalyptic days, faithful to their calling.

Although the seal of the gospel can be broken by falling away from faith, the apocalyptic seal is permanent.

deciding there are two seals instead of one is eisegesis
 
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Will heaven be the exact same for all of us? What does the Bible mean being awarded precious stones, while others may have no stones at all. Or having the 5 crowns?
People sometimes make a lot of the "rewards thing". While there may be some who're more highly honored in heaven for the strength of their faith, hope, and love and the resulting fruits that helped advance God's kingdom, heaven, itself, is "reward" enough. No one there will ever feel slighted or deprived in any way because God, aside from being infinitely satisfying to us in terms of His justice rendered, is Himself the ultimate and supreme source of all human satisfaction and happiness and exaltation. He, His infinite Goodness, will be the center of all honor and worship and adoration-it simply cannot be helped in that place, once we fully know and meet Him "face to face".
 
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The other thing that has always sparked curiosity, is what does God mean when he says cast into outer darkness?

There is another term, such as being cast into the lake of fire, but is outer darkness different? and in what way?

It can be easy to lump in all the "judgment" language of the Bible into a single basket and call it "hell". The problem is that the Bible presents a more complex picture than that.

Let's start at the beginning.

When one reads through the Old Testament one is going to notice mention of She'ol, this is often translated as "hell" in older Bible translations, and sometimes translated "the grave" in modern ones (it is also sometimes simply left untranslated). She'ol isn't "hell", it's simply the "place of the dead". When David talks about seeing his dead infant again, he means in She'ol, in the place of the dead. No distinction is made between the place of righteous dead or the place of wicked dead--there's really just the one common destination, She'ol, the grave.

In the Second Temple Period (from the time of the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple after the Babylonian Exile until the destruction of this Temple in 70 AD) Jewish views about life after death became more complex. She'ol, the place of the dead, translated into Greek as Hades, gets divided into two parts: The place of the righteous dead called Gan-Eden ("The Garden of Eden"), or translated into Greek as Paradeisos ("Paradise"), literally "a garden", which was also conceived as being in "the third heaven" (out of seven heavens, with the seventh heaven being conceived as the highest heaven). On the other hand, the place of the wicked dead was called Ge-Hinnom ("The Valley of Hinnom"), which in Greek was written as Gehenna, the word Jesus uses often when talking about "hell" in the Gospels. The Hinnom Valley is a literal valley that was, in ancient times, located outside the city of Jerusalem, and it was the site in ancient Israel where the cult of Molech worship was centered; the pagan god Molech was worshiped by heating up a metal image of the god until it was red hot, and then making human sacrifice upon it, specifically the sacrifice of small children and even infants. The imagery associated with the Hinnom Valley was so horrific, that it became the symbol of what the wicked experience--fire, darkness, death.

Gehenna isn't a literal place, it is a way of talking about the judgment of the wicked. Fire, darkness, undying maggots, these are metaphors, not literal things.

Further, the main thing to keep in mind is that "Heaven and Hell" are not the point. The point is Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection by which He saves us and is saving us and will set the whole world to rights. The day is coming when He will return, the dead shall be raised, there will be final judgment, and then God will make all things new. And in that Day the joy of the saints shall be full as we experience the rich and full depths of life with God in the renewal of all creation--new heavens and new earth. As for the rest, they are described as being outside of the city, and they are described as being in a lake burning with fire and sulfur (symbols both of judgment and divine purification). Again, we shouldn't try to think that there is a literal city, nor a literal lake of fire somewhere with geographical coordinates. Rather it means that there are those who are outside of the full joy and vibrant life of God in the new world, too busy gnashing their teeth to enjoy anything at all; theirs is "second death", a death-beyond-death, not by being erased from existence, but by that not sharing in the blessed life of that future world.

Though I will add that I think the Apocalypse of St. John gives us a fascinating glimmer of hope, even here, as having described all those outside of the City also speaks of the leaves of the tree of life which grows on both banks of the river that flows out from the city as being "for the healing of the nations". Like so many things in the Apocalypse, we aren't told what this means, but I can't help but think that this detail is there to remind us of hope, perhaps even in deepest darkest hell. After all, Christ our Lord has destroyed hell, and torn down its ancient gates by His victorious rising from the dead--He entered into deepest darkest hell, and obliterated its power.

But beyond this, we should not say too much--because we do not know, nor can we know, and we will not know until we no longer "see through a glass dimly", but "face to face, knowing even as I am known".

-CryptoLutheran
 
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People sometimes make a lot of the "rewards thing". While there may be some who're more highly honored in heaven for the strength of their faith, hope, and love and the resulting fruits that helped advance God's kingdom, heaven, itself, is "reward" enough. No one there will ever feel slighted or deprived in any way because God, aside from being infinitely satisfying to us in terms of His justice rendered, is Himself the ultimate and supreme source of all human satisfaction and happiness and exaltation. He, His infinite Goodness, will be the center of all honor and worship and adoration-it simply cannot be helped in that place, once we fully know and meet Him "face to face".

I like how N.T. Wright talks in Surprised by Hope, that the things we do here in this life are works for the kingdom. We are not building the kingdom (we can't do that, and any human attempt to do so is catastrophe), but rather we build for the kingdom. Wright looks to St. Paul's words at the end of 1 Corinthians 15, after Paul going on at length about our hope of the resurrection and the life of the Age to Come says, "Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:58).

The hope of the future is cause for work, rather than excuse for laziness. We aren't to be idly twiddling our thumbs while the Master tarries, acting like the unfaithful servant burying our coin in the ground. Rather, to go and use that metaphorical coin--to use all that we have for good in the world in the service of Jesus Christ our Lord.

So rather than thinking in terms of "reward", it is better I think to understand Christ's words to us that we should change our understanding of "treasure", to set our hearts upon things that do not fade away by moth or rust; but store for ourselves "treasures in heaven". Such treasures are not "rewards", but the real things of value--our love for one another, feeding the hungry, providing clean drinking water to the thirsty, providing medical care to the sick. All the myriad ways we have opportunity to love our neighbors, to serve Christ in the midst of one another and in the world, all of that has meaning. It all has meaning because people have meaning, and how we treat "the least of these" clearly matters to God so much that it is the entire basis of Judgment as described in Matthew ch. 25.

What we do here matters, and in some way--in ways that we can't even probably dream of--those things have a place, a purpose, a meaning in that future world. Not for our glory, but the glory of He who is seated on the Throne, and to the Lamb, "Holy, Holy, Holy"

Crowns are meant to be cast down anyway,

"the twenty-four elders fall down before him who is seated on the throne and worship him who lives forever and ever. They cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

'Worthy are you, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they existed and were created.'
" - Revelation 4:10-11

-CryptoLutheran
 
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