Good guy with a gun killed by police after stopping shooting

The IbanezerScrooge · Jun 26, 2021

I just imagine 2A enthusiasts after hearing stories like this standing there with their Thin Blue Line flags, mouth agape, one eye twitching as they try and grasp the irony of it all. "...er...good guy.. um.. with... gun.. uh...em... we... we support the police.... 2nd amendment.... "

Aldebaran · Jun 26, 2021

Goonie said:
Indeed, it does poke a hole in the hole 'good guy with a gun' argument.

In this link, scroll down halfway down the page and you'll see about 500 pages of links to accounts where a good guy managed to defend himself/herself with a gun.
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Nithavela · Jun 26, 2021

The IbanezerScrooge said:
I just imagine 2A enthusiasts after hearing stories like this standing there with their Thin Blue Line flags, mouth agape, one eye twitching as they try and grasp the irony of it all. "...er...good guy.. um.. with... gun.. uh...em... we... we support the police.... 2nd amendment.... "

You underestimate their ability of rationalisation.

Most comment sections are full of people calling the good guy with a gun "not very smart" (insert harsher words here) because he held the gun in his hand. Obviously they wouldn't have made this mistake.

Pommer · Jun 27, 2021

Nithavela said:
You underestimate their ability of rationalisation.

Most comment sections are full of people calling the good guy with a gun "not very smart" (insert harsher words here) because he held the gun in his hand. Obviously they wouldn't have made this mistake.

The necessity of securing un-moist garments would be the prime priority for most of us including, yours truly.

ranunculus · Jun 27, 2021

Yttrium said:
Yeah, but if it's not the police, better shoot him. Then somebody else can shoot you, and somebody else can shoot him, and when the police show up, they can finish off whoever's left.

That's how you play rock, paper, scissors in America. Bad guy kills cop, good guy kills bad guy, cop kills good guy.

ranunculus · Jun 27, 2021

Nithavela said:
You underestimate their ability of rationalisation.

Most comment sections are full of people calling the good guy with a gun "not very smart" (insert harsher words here) because he held the gun in his hand. Obviously they wouldn't have made this mistake.

They need to settle this in the gunderdome, two good guys with a gun enter, one good guy with a gun leaves, he will be named best guy with a gun and whatever he says, goes.

ranunculus · Jun 27, 2021

Aldebaran said:
In this link, scroll down halfway down the page and you'll see about 500 pages of links to accounts where a good guy managed to defend himself/herself with a gun.
NRA-ILA | Armed Citizen®

A pro gun rights organization with a vested interest in collecting positive gun stories while ignoring negative ones

I wouldn't be surprised if 500 pages could be filled with stories about toddlers accidently shooting, maiming and killing themselves or others, road rage turned deadly, intrafamilial shootings, gun suicides, and guys shooting themselves in the balls.
Where are all those stories on the NRA website, Aldebaran?

But to your point, I'm sure there are plenty of cases where guns saved the day. So it just goes to show that guns really are a ray of hope in a country torn apart by gun violence.

Just on a hunch I went on /r/news and typed in "shoots self" in the search bar and these are literally the first results that showed up. I bet if I actually cared I could compile 5000 pages like this. Luckily I don't.

Trogdor the Burninator · Jun 27, 2021

Oompa Loompa said:
What else would you expect the cops to do? They show up, bodies everywhere, one guy standing there with a gun...

Fair enough.

I guess we can forget that whole "arming teachers to stop school shootings" thing and throw another NRA talking point on the bonfire.

Tinker Grey · Jun 27, 2021

Trogdor the Burninator said:
Fair enough.

I guess we can forget that whole "arming teachers to stop school shootings" thing and throw another NRA talking point on the bonfire.

Yeah. After the school shooting in FLA a few years back, they were talking about arming teachers. My first thought was how would you like to be a "good guy with a gun" when the cops pull up to that scene.

Estrid · Jun 27, 2021

Nithavela said:
I wouldn't expect the cops to do anything different, which is why I don't buy the "good guy with a gun" narrative.

It's not a narrative since it works.
Aside from that the police are also good guys.

The " narrative" here is, any excuse to push your
agrnda.

Estrid · Jun 27, 2021

Thigbee said:
Shame on anyone who thinks the police are somehow to blame in this tragic event.[agenda.

See Brianna Taylor

Estrid · Jun 27, 2021

Tinker Grey said:
Yeah. After the school shooting in FLA a few years back, they were talking about arming teachers. My first thought was how would you like to be a "good guy with a gun" when the cops pull up to that scene.

Better to be a sheep than a sheep dog.-?-

Friendly fire happens in combat.

But when the police show up, dropping gun and putting hands
up seems wise.

durangodawood · Jun 27, 2021

Oompa Loompa said:
What else would you expect the cops to do? They show up, bodies everywhere, one guy standing there with a gun...

Exactly.

Or another good guy with a gun could well have killed the first good guy with a gun.

durangodawood · Jun 27, 2021

Estrid said:
....Friendly fire happens in combat....

Isnt that one reason we have "uniformed military", to at least be somewhat identifiable to your own people?

SummerMadness · Jun 27, 2021

Estrid said:
Better to be a sheep than a sheep dog.-?-

Friendly fire happens in combat.

But when the police show up, dropping gun and putting hands
up seems wise.

When good guy with a gun shows its flaws, just point to the good guy and call him stupid... et, not wise.

cow451 · Jun 27, 2021

Nithavela said:
Good thing that felony murder exists, or there would be no legal consequences for engaging in a felony.

The dead good guy’s loved ones can take great comfort in that.

cow451 · Jun 27, 2021

Aldebaran said:
In this link, scroll down halfway down the page and you'll see about 500 pages of links to accounts where a good guy managed to defend himself/herself with a gun.
NRA-ILA | Armed Citizen®

That’s nice. But the point is that having a firearm carries both great responsibility and great risk.

Nithavela · Jun 27, 2021

cow451 said:
The dead good guy’s loved ones can take great comfort in that.

I'm sure it will bring them much-needed closure that the ones responsible for his death will feel the full force of the law.

Aldebaran · Jun 27, 2021

Tinker Grey said:
Yeah. After the school shooting in FLA a few years back, they were talking about arming teachers. My first thought was how would you like to be a "good guy with a gun" when the cops pull up to that scene.

Don't have it in your hand when they come. Set it down and put your hands in plain view when the police arrive so you're not perceived as a threat.

ThatRobGuy · Jun 27, 2021

Tough situation for all involved.

On one hand, I don't fault the guy for intervening...he was stopping a guy who was going on a rampage...on the other hand the police arriving there (at that time) just saw a guy with a rifle after it was reported that a guy with a rifle was shooting at people.

Even if we take guns out of the equation...

Let's say there was a bar fight happening and a guy was throwing punches at innocent people and the police were called. If, in between the time of the call and the police actually arriving, I decide I've seen enough of it and decide to clock the guy, and the police walk in as I'm doing it and the description was "6' tall white male attacking people in a bar", i can't necessarily fault them for walking in and thinking that I was the guy they got the call about.

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