More than 150 Houston hospital workers fired or quit after refusing COVID-19 vaccine

Aldebaran said:

I was answering someone who was asking for the evidence to what I was telling him about. If you are more interested in hating on churches, start a new thread about it.

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My point is that you're using an unrealistic standard against one institution, but not applying it against your own pet institutions.

Aldebaran said:

Or even coercing people into getting them? It's not like they're offering Vaccine lotteries where you enter to win a million dollars by getting a shot. Or get free tickets to a baseball game if you just get the shot. Nah!

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If you are implying that these constitute coercion, you need a dictionary.

Aldebaran said:

"To date, 62.8% of American adults have already received at least one dose of the shot and 133.6 million are fully vaccinated against the viral disease - and the White House just announced their push to get that number to 70% by July 4. To help meet that goal, brands, politicians, corporations and more are pushing to keep the momentum going with giveaways for free food, alcohol, sporting tickets, scholarships and even millions of dollars."
How to Get the Best COVID-19 Vaccine Freebies and Incentives, from Food to Money to Sports Tickets

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Where is the "force"?

No one is being forced to get a covid vaccine!

Aldebaran said:

If the vaccine was so great, it wouldn't take gimmicks to make people get it.

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What in your mind is the appropriate amount of encouragement to get the vaccines? Because I’m willing to bet if they weren’t pushed you would be saying that they aren’t being pushed because the government doesn’t trust them. So how much encouragement should the government be giving that would make you think it is a good idea to get the vaccine?

Aldebaran said:

Yeah, the "great" unapproved vaccine--as I pointed out in post #167 with the FDA's own words.

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You’re going to trust the FDA when they do approve the vaccines?
Pshaw!

pescador said:

I don't understand this reply. If you want people to understand you must elaborate.

The hospital workers deserved to get fired for refusing the vaccine. It is a job requirement, not just for COVID but also for other communicable diseases. No hospital worker has the right to infect other staff or patients.

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No hospital has the right to require employees take a person health risk. Tyranny and the sheepeople defend it in great ignorance. Freedom from harm is lost in the US. My advise to young people is leave while you can, if you can find a country where tyranny of the ignorant is not yet law.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

What in your mind is the appropriate amount of encouragement to get the vaccines? Because I’m willing to bet if they weren’t pushed you would be saying that they aren’t being pushed because the government doesn’t trust them. So how much encouragement should the government be giving that would make you think it is a good idea to get the vaccine?

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The truth would help but if the truth were fully known, no one but the elderly would get the vaccine.

They shouldn't lose their jobs, but let's face it. The only patients they couldn't potentially harm are the ones in the COVID ward. Put them all there--and see how long they continue to hold out.

Fantine said:

They shouldn't lose their jobs, but let's face it. The only patients they couldn't potentially harm are the ones in the COVID ward. Put them all there--and see how long they continue to hold out.

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Won’t be a problem working in the Covid ward as long as they are <65. About 98% of those who get the virus recover or never get symptoms at all.

Dorothy Mae said:

Won’t be a problem working in the Covid ward as long as they are <65. About 98% of those who get the virus recover or never get symptoms at all.

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Actually, the reality is that around 30% of people who catch COVID experience long term symptoms.

Around a third of people in England who developed covid-19 went on to experience long term symptoms sometimes called “long covid,” a UK study has found and experts believe that more than two million people could have been affected in this way.

Covid-19: Third of people infected have long term symptoms

Dorothy Mae said:

No hospital has the right to require employees take a person health risk.

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True, but no employer is required to retain an employee who poses a risk to others.

Dorothy Mae said:

Tyranny and the sheepeople defend it in great ignorance. Freedom from harm is lost in the US. My advise to young people is leave while you can, if you can find a country where tyranny of the ignorant is not yet law.

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Ah yes, stirring rhetoric, the refuge of those who have no case.

With the case for the wisdom of vaccination so overwhelming, those bent on resisting the jab have no recourse except to such vague, entirely misguided appeals to motherhood and apple pie.

How do sound, compassionate, scientifically-endorsed public health measures suddenly become tyranny?

expos4ever said:

True, but no employer is required to retain an employee who poses a risk to others.


Ah yes, stirring rhetoric, the refuge of those who have no case.

With the case for the wisdom of vaccination so overwhelming, those bent on resisting the jab have no recourse except to such vague, entirely misguided appeals to motherhood and apple pie.

How do sound, compassionate, scientifically-endorsed public health measures suddenly become tyranny?

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In the bizarro world of the Religious Right, it's actually not a big stretch.

Dorothy Mae said:

The truth would help but if the truth were fully known, no one but the elderly would get the vaccine.

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You are bluffing - there is no such "truth".

Dorothy Mae said:

Won’t be a problem working in the Covid ward as long as they are <65. About 98% of those who get the virus recover or never get symptoms at all.

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This 98% (or 99%) figure is, of course, profoundly misleading. It seems like a big number, but no rational human being would take a needless 1% or 2% risk.

6 million human beings get into airplanes and fly every day. If 1% of them died, that would mean 60,000 dead passengers every day!

No one would go near an airplane!

Another thing you conveniently do not mention is that it is still unclear what the long-term effects of covid will be for that 98% that do recover.

Consider the befuddling logic of the anti-vaxxer: they wax philosophic about the unknown long-term risks of the vaccine while neatly side-stepping the matter of the known long-term effects of covid plus the very real possibility of as-yet-unknown long-term effects that will be seen.

And further to this: any long-term damage from the vaccine will be caused by the immune system's response to the vaccine. Well, what happens when you get covid - you get an immunological response! Why would such a covid-induced response not put you at the same risk of long-term side effects as the immunological response to the vaccine?

expos4ever said:

This 98% (or 99%) figure is, of course, profoundly misleading. It seems like a big number, but no rational human being would take a needless 1% or 2% risk.

6 million human beings get into airplanes and fly every day. If 1% of them died, that would mean 60,000 dead passengers every day!

No one would go near an airplane!

Another thing you conveniently do not mention is that it is still unclear what the long-term effects of covid will be for that 98% that do recover.

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Likely more than 50% never have symptoms at all. Probably more since no does testing for no reason. Many who recover from various other illnesses have long term effects. This is not unusual.

The 98% tells us that the virus is NOT dangerous. The large percentage who suffer as a result of protecting the 2% are totally ignored.

expos4ever said:

You are bluffing - there is no such "truth".

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Then you will personally never find it since you assume it’s not there. The government loves your kind. Just do as they say. Believe every word politicians say.