VP never went to the border.

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The issue used to be all about "Kids in cages", and now it's more about Kamala's "style"?
Well, it certainly can't be about her substance. It seems as if she is on the path to being one of the most 'do-nothing' VP's to ever grace the office.....and that's saying something for a do-nothing office.......
 
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The issue used to be all about "Kids in cages", and now it's more about Kamala's "style"?
Don't you know that kids in cages are back in style? That is why Biden built more of them.
 
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Treating migrants humanely and legally, as per our asylum laws, is different than having "open borders." This confusion has lead to many misconceptions in modern American society.
Humanely and legally would be sending cruise ships to central american ports, loading everyone up and then taking them to NY harbor and drop the bridge saying "Welcome to America".......Of course all the east coast democratic elites would go nuts over that as their way of life was disrupted. But as long as it is in red state Texas........meh, who cares?
 
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At the risk of sounding pedantic, how could six months of Biden policy be the "root cause" of a decades long issue?
Illegal immigration has been a problem for decades. However, it became a "crisis" almost immediately after Biden was elected. Look at the stats.
 
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Treating migrants humanely and legally, as per our asylum laws, is different than having "open borders." This confusion has lead to many misconceptions in modern American society.
Asylum laws say that people migrating out of Central America must seek asylum at the closest country. In this case it is Mexico.
 
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What a shame Governor Abbott refused to go with her. He could have tried to embarrass her and gotten some explanations Fox News would try to suppress.
Instead, Abbott will go with a demagogue, provocateur, and widely acknowledged liar. Why in the world, after more than 60 courts found him to be a liar, would anyone believe Republican border hype?
 
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What would you have her physically do?

I would think she would physically do what she said she would do - go to the border.

Kamala Harris going to US-Mexico border as she addresses migration

She did not get within 7 miles of the border. She did not see first hand the results of the Biden/Harris administration fiasco that opened the flood gates of illegals, sex traffickers, drug dealers and drugs to the country.

She visited the border patrol station..
Talking to the NGO's gave her a clear picture and needs assessment.
And hey! No fancy designer jacket that said, I really don't care, do you?
Since bad manners are NEVER in style, VP Harris beat Melania in the border style competition on a landslide.

Psst... she did not get within 7 miles of the border - there is a difference. She saw NOTHING of the concentration camps she and her boss are running and expanding. (the title concentration camps is a term the Democrats gave the self same camps during the last administration). She saw nothing of the sheer size of the crisis she is supposed to be taking care of. She spoke to no illegal immigrant.

Aslo Psst..... Melania was NOT the VP and has ZERO to do with this - you need to let the anger go at some point.

As Fantine pointed out and your own OP referenced, Harris visited the El Paso Border Patrol Station. Is this not sufficient to qualify as "visiting the border?" What would?

See comments above.
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-move-isnt-like-trumps-kids-cages-not-hardly/

The Post’s Silvia Foster-Frau wrote Monday night that the Biden administration has reactivated a child migrant facility in Texas. The facility in Carrizo Springs, Tex., can hold up to 700 teenage children and is being reopened because of a surge in unaccompanied minors arriving at the border and coronavirus-related restrictions on how many people existing facilities can hold, among other factors.....


And here’s the biggest point: Trump’s policy on children at the border wasn’t controversial merely because it resulted in children being held at the border, which is a long-standing reality and is what will happen at this facility. It was controversial because it forced children to be separated from their parents given its hard-line policy requiring that the parents be held and not released into the country (and given that children couldn’t be held with their parents). This, in effect, made for more children (often very young) that needed to be held alone — about 3,000 in total — beyond the unaccompanied minors (who are often older) who arrive.

Key sentence to show the difference between Trump and Biden:

It was controversial because it forced children to be separated from their parents given its hard-line policy requiring that the parents be held and not released into the country (and given that children couldn’t be held with their parents).

Anyone remember this?
U.S. identifies 3,900 children separated at border under Trump

or
Recording captures cries of children separated from parents at US border


Going to the border and standing at a wall means nothing at all. El Paso is separated from Juarez, Mexico by a river (canal at this point). Gettin updated at the border station and getting up to date info from the border agents was good enough.
I am glad she didn't go for the photo op. This is just a hunt for something to criticize the current administration.
 
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Anyone remember this?


Record number of unaccompanied children crossed the border in March

The dramatic increase follows the Biden administration’s policy of expelling all migrants except minors who come alone.

The number of unaccompanied children crossing the border in March reached more than 18,500, according to preliminary Customs and Border Protection data obtained by NBC News, smashing the previous record as the Biden administration scrambles to set up new shelters to accommodate them.

The March total is at least 60 percent higher than the previous record of 11,494 in May 2019. The data is still preliminary and may change slightly before its official release.

The figures go back to 2010 when the border patrol began keeping track of how many migrants arrived as unaccompanied minors.​
 
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Yes, they entered. The Biden administration did not forcibly remove children from their parents. Unaccompanied minors did need to be housed until they could deal with immigration. They were not cast back into Mexico at their peril.
 
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I don't trust the news sources of Trump supporters, but I will look at some real news sources and see if there is anything behind the allegations.
I know Trump had left huge numbers of immigrants in Mexican custody feet from the border. When he lost the election, we were faced with a huge backlog of people. This is why we need comprehensive immigration reform.
Another reason to end the filibuster.
 
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Wanna avoid this from happening again? Don't come into the country illegally......especially with kids.......seems like a no-brainer to me.....
And she did discourage people from coming.

BUT this has been a problem for decades. It is disingenuous to post that it is Biden's fault.
 
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She didn't play into your hands, hislegacy. You wanted her to go to a holding facility so conservative news could splash her picture all over with headlines like, "Hardhearted Harris won't clean up Sleepy Joe's Mess!"

So instead, the QAnon "squad" of Boebert, Taylor Greene, Cawthorn, Gosar and one or two others went down. "Biden and Harris did this!" they shout, taking a short break from visiting the local hate groups.

And people shrugged, because, let's face it, they have the worst reputations in Congress.

So now Trump will go to the border with Abbott, shouting, "Sleepy Joe and Kamalalala did this!" and let's face it, his reputation is even worse.

Why oh why didn't Harris give them the shot they wanted? The answer is that she didn't go down there to provide cannon fodder for revolutionary wanna-be's. She went there to learn how the federal government could help the NGO's and deal fairly with the huge backlog of people Trump had left in Mexican custody inches from the border.
 
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She didn't play into your hands, hislegacy. You wanted her to go to a holding facility so conservative news could splash her picture all over with headlines like, "Hardhearted Harris won't clean up Sleepy Joe's Mess!"

So instead, the QAnon "squad" of Boebert, Taylor Greene, Cawthorn, Gosar and one or two others went down. "Biden and Harris did this!" they shout, taking a short break from visiting the local hate groups.

And people shrugged, because, let's face it, they have the worst reputations in Congress.

So now Trump will go to the border with Abbott, shouting, "Sleepy Joe and Kamalalala did this!" and let's face it, his reputation is even worse.

Why oh why didn't Harris give them the shot they wanted? The answer is that she didn't go down there to provide cannon fodder for revolutionary wanna-be's. She went there to learn how the federal government could help the NGO's and deal fairly with the huge backlog of people Trump had left in Mexican custody inches from the border.

Calling the President "sleepy Joe" is inflammatory - and can be considered a derogatory nickname. Personally, I wouldn't use such names -

As for the rest - I just don't think this has anything to to with the former President. He is not part of the conversation. I just don't see the conspiracy others do. I would prefer to just talk about the person in the OP no matter who is active in our imaginations.
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-move-isnt-like-trumps-kids-cages-not-hardly/

The Post’s Silvia Foster-Frau wrote Monday night that the Biden administration has reactivated a child migrant facility in Texas. The facility in Carrizo Springs, Tex., can hold up to 700 teenage children and is being reopened because of a surge in unaccompanied minors arriving at the border and coronavirus-related restrictions on how many people existing facilities can hold, among other factors.....


And here’s the biggest point: Trump’s policy on children at the border wasn’t controversial merely because it resulted in children being held at the border, which is a long-standing reality and is what will happen at this facility. It was controversial because it forced children to be separated from their parents given its hard-line policy requiring that the parents be held and not released into the country (and given that children couldn’t be held with their parents). This, in effect, made for more children (often very young) that needed to be held alone — about 3,000 in total — beyond the unaccompanied minors (who are often older) who arrive.

Key sentence to show the difference between Trump and Biden:

It was controversial because it forced children to be separated from their parents given its hard-line policy requiring that the parents be held and not released into the country (and given that children couldn’t be held with their parents).

Anyone remember this?
U.S. identifies 3,900 children separated at border under Trump

or
Recording captures cries of children separated from parents at US border


Going to the border and standing at a wall means nothing at all. El Paso is separated from Juarez, Mexico by a river (canal at this point). Gettin updated at the border station and getting up to date info from the border agents was good enough.
I am glad she didn't go for the photo op. This is just a hunt for something to criticize the current administration.

Thank you for posting these facts comparing President Biden's administration to Trump's disastrous presidency. As a matter of fact, there is nothing wrong with comparing him to Trump. There is an historic trend of comparing the current President to his predecessor or to other previous presidents.
 
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I don't trust the news sources of Trump supporters, but I will look at some real news sources and see if there is anything behind the allegations.
I know Trump had left huge numbers of immigrants in Mexican custody feet from the border. When he lost the election, we were faced with a huge backlog of people. This is why we need comprehensive immigration reform.
Another reason to end the filibuster.

I don't trust the news sources of Trump supporters either. If you review the media ratings, you'll see that these sources severely lack journalistic credibility. These "news sources" are known for spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories. I often compare these sources to the tabloid magazines.
 
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Calling the President "sleepy Joe" is inflammatory - and can be considered a derogatory nickname. Personally, I wouldn't use such names -

As for the rest - I just don't think this has anything to to with the former President. He is not part of the conversation. I just don't see the conspiracy others do. I would prefer to just talk about the person in the OP no matter who is active in our imaginations.

I was saying, using quotations, the type of things Biden's detractors would say. The former president always makes up derogatory names for people, and used Sleepy Joe many times. Boebert and Taylor Greene do likewise. I would not use those names.

The former president is injecting himself into the conversation by traveling down to the border with Abbott. Believe me, I would love to see him retire quietly until such time as he is indicted in NYC and possibly Washington and Virginia.
 
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She went there to learn how the federal government could help the NGO's and deal fairly with the huge backlog of people Trump had left in Mexican custody inches from the border.
And she accomplished that in the 4 hours she was there 7 miles away from the border at a border station?.......You really have yourself fooled Fantine.......
 
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