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Some interesting thoughts there, Richard, but Sunday had already been the standard day of worship for Christians PRIOR TO Constantine, and that fact is also presented to us in God's revealed word, Scripture, which we all know was recorded long before Constantine came along.

This is the part where the obvious question comes up (as it has many times) - "where is there even one
  • 'week-day-1 is our weekly day of worship'
  • or 'week day 1 is the Lord's day',
  • or 'week day 1 replaces the 7th day for the Sabbath commandment'
  • or 'we meet every week-day-1 for worship'
  • or 'we preach the Gospel to you today on Sabbath so you can meet with us tomorrow from now on - on week - day 1' (given that they "met every Sabbath" for continued gospel preaching to both gentiles and Jews in Acts 18:4)
in that revealed word Scripture you speak of??"

And the much expected answer would be "there was a discussion on that very point - some place else"

Followed by

Indeed. Whether one loves Constantine, hates him, or is merely indifferent, his impact on this particular aspect of Christianity is non-existant.
 
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And your point would be that keeping God's Sabbath is important to Sabbath keepers? It's because God told us to keep it holy Exodus 20:8-11, Ezekiel 20:20, Isaiah 58:13

In context God was speaking to Israel.
 
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In context God was speaking to Israel.
The Bible is not meant to be stories that do not apply to us. God told us keeping the Sabbath is a sign between Him and His people. Exodus 31:16,17 Ezekiel 20:12 Ezekiel 20:20 Do you not want to be one of God’s people? You do not need to be Jewish to be one of God’s people, we are all from Abraham’s seed.

Galatians 3:26-2 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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And Abraham was not required to keep the Sabbath.

Only if he was an alien. "The Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:7

Here we have a Bible detail where Bible scholars on BOTH sides of the Sabbath debate fully agree.

Ex 20:11 points directly to the Sabbath made for mankind - in Gen 2:1-3
 
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Sunday had already been the standard day of worship for Christians PRIOR TO Constantine, and that fact is also presented to us in God's revealed word, Scripture, which we all know was recorded long before Constantine came along.

What scripture says that Sunday and not Saturday is the Sabbath? (or Tuesday for that matter) That being said, I think the story is more complicated than that laid out by the SDA member. Constantine did not decide on any doctrine or religious day. He wanted a unified church and could probably care less what they believed. There were all sorts of differing ideas going on all over the empire at the time. He ordered all the bishops to agree and standardize their theology, starting with the council of Nicaea and onward.

Whether they chose all the right doctrines is another argument entirely.

The Sabbath is more about taking one day off a week to devote to worship, rather than any specific day. However, if I had to bet on any specific day of the current week, I'd have to go with the Jewish people probably having it correct since they never stopped observing it, and they do so on Saturday.
 
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What scripture says that Sunday and not Saturday is the Sabbath? (or Tuesday for that matter) That being said, I think the story is more complicated than that laid out by the SDA member. Constantine did not decide on any doctrine or religious day. He wanted a unified church and could probably care less what they believed. There were all sorts of differing ideas going on all over the empire at the time. He ordered all the bishops to agree and standardize their theology, starting with the council of Nicaea and onward.

Whether they chose all the right doctrines is another argument entirely.

The Sabbath is more about taking one day off a week to devote to worship, rather than any specific day. However, if I had to bet on any specific day of the current week, I'd have to go with the Jewish people probably having it correct since they never stopped observing it, and they do so on Saturday.

I agree with your last statement, but God was very specific about which day is His Sabbath day.

God made it specific when He said the Sabbath was on THE seventh day and not a day of our choice.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Something to consider from scripture personally written by our Creator and Savior.
 
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What day is the seventh day? Most calendars have Sunday as the first day of the week. We arbitrarily think of Monday as the first day of the week, because the majority of us have to work for five days starting with that one? You have no way of knowing whether if you started from any modern Sunday, and counted back days for 3500 years, whether you would arrive at the Sabbath day in antiquity.
 
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What day is the seventh day? Most calendars have Sunday as the first day of the week. We arbitrarily think of Monday as the first day of the week, because the majority of us have to work for five days starting with that one? You have no way of knowing whether if you started from any modern Sunday, and counted back days for 3500 years, whether you would arrive at the Sabbath day in antiquity.
Sunday is the first day of the week and Saturday is the seventh. It has been the same 7 day week cycle from the very beginning. Like you said previously the Jews got it right, they have been keeping Sabbath correctly for centuries. We know which day is God's Sabbath, it has never changed.

People never seem to question Easter Sunday when Jesus rose on the first day.
 
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I think perhaps we agree on that. My original post was in response to Albion posting that Sunday was the original day. I believe it was probably Saturday originally, but I leave open the possibility that at some point during the wars, persecution, diaspora, general illiteracy, etc. that somebody could have screwed it up somewhere along the way.

Easter Sunday is only correct every 1 in 7 years according to the Jewish calendar, and Christmas is entirely wrong, and nobody knows Jesus birthday, and that is backed up historically even in old church writings.

I think whether or not SDA sermons concentrate too much on the Sabbath misses the point. If a Baptist church emphasized the importance of coming to church every Sunday, nobody would think twice about it, yet it would be equivalent.
 
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What scripture says that Sunday and not Saturday is the Sabbath? (or Tuesday for that matter)
Saturday remains the sabbath. The issue here concerns Sunday being the standard Christian day of worship.

My original post was in response to Albion posting that Sunday was the original day. I believe it was probably Saturday originally, but I leave open the possibility that at some point during the wars, persecution, diaspora, general illiteracy, etc. that somebody could have screwed it up somewhere along the way.
None of that is the reason for Sunday being the principle day of worship, which it has been since the time of the Apostles. It may be comforting to think that it took a long time before this happened and then only because someone "screwed up" something or other, but none of that is historically correct. The very first Christians continued to attend Synagogue, but very quickly they adopted Sunday, the Lord's Day, as the principle day of worship, and did so because that was the day of the week on which Christ rose from the dead (probably the single most important even in human history), again as is indicated in Scripture.

And by the way, I did NOT say that "Sunday was the original day."
 
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I think perhaps we agree on that. My original post was in response to Albion posting that Sunday was the original day. I believe it was probably Saturday originally, but I leave open the possibility that at some point during the wars, persecution, diaspora, general illiteracy, etc. that somebody could have screwed it up somewhere along the way.

Easter Sunday is only correct every 1 in 7 years according to the Jewish calendar, and Christmas is entirely wrong, and nobody knows Jesus birthday, and that is backed up historically even in old church writings.

I think whether or not SDA sermons concentrate too much on the Sabbath misses the point. If a Baptist church emphasized the importance of coming to church every Sunday, nobody would think twice about it, yet it would be equivalent.

I have listened to a lot sermons by SDA pastors and the Sabbath topic is not every week. The church goes through the entire bible every four years for Sabbath School lessons and the pastor sermons are on almost every topic in the Bible. That said, keeping the Sabbath day holy should be an important part of our lives as stated in scripture according to God and taught by Jesus. There are over 170 references to God’s Sabbath day, yet 98% of the churches no longer teach about it.

God choose only one day that He deemed holy, sanctified and blessed and that day is the seventh day. Man changed God's Sabbath to the first day which Jesus warned us about obeying commandments of man in lieu of God's commandments Mathew 15:3-9. I know many do not realize that there was never a change in God's holy day and follow tradition instead of God, which leads people to break God's 4th commandment. If you look in the bible you will not find one verse that says Sunday is God's day, the Lord's day, or a holy day or His Sabbath, or a day He blessed, or sanctified or a day of worship. Those verses only apply, according to God, only about the seventh day Sabbath. Which is why on the New Earth Sabbath worship will continue for eternity Isaiah 66:23.

God was very specific about which day is His sacred day and it only makes sense that He deems which day He wants us to worship Him, since He is our Creator and Savior. Just like He was very specific to Adam and Eve about eating from whichever tree they wanted in the garden except one. That first bite changed everything. God is giving us a second chance and asks for so little in return.

God bless
 
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What day is the seventh day? Most calendars have Sunday as the first day of the week. We arbitrarily think of Monday as the first day of the week, because the majority of us have to work for five days starting with that one? You have no way of knowing whether if you started from any modern Sunday, and counted back days for 3500 years, whether you would arrive at the Sabbath day in antiquity.

Ex 20:10 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)"

Ex 16 "Tomorrow IS the Sabbath"

So the question is - what day was the "Sabbath" that Jesus kept 2000 years ago... we can trust Jesus - if He accepted it then that is all that matters.

Luke 4: 16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read

As a matter of science fact - we do know what day the Jews were keeping as Sabbath during the time of the Roman Empire - 2000 years ago.

This is one big reason where there is no dispute between Jews and Christians when it comes to Sabbath on Saturday - the 7th day of the week - and the resurrection on Sunday the first day of the week. Even Muslims admit to this Saturday-7th-day-Sabbath idea.

That's three major mono-theistic world religions all in agreement that Saturday is the 7th day and Sunday is week-day-1
 
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Saturday remains the sabbath. The issue here concerns Sunday being the standard Christian day of worship.


None of that is the reason for Sunday being the principle day of worship, which it has been since the time of the Apostles. It may be comforting to think that it took a long time before this happened and then only because someone "screwed up" something or other, but none of that is historically correct. The very first Christians continued to attend Synagogue, but very quickly they adopted Sunday, the Lord's Day, as the principle day of worship, and did so because that was the day of the week on which Christ rose from the dead (probably the single most important even in human history), again as is indicated in Scripture.

And by the way, I did NOT say that "Sunday was the original day."
Have you wondered why early Christians changed their day of worship?
Would it make sense to you that it was to distance themselves from Sabbath keepers who were being persecuted? Look up the Roman imposition of a temple tax.
Avoiding this tax was one reason they started worshipping on Sunday.
Also, Constantine was not the only Emporer/King to become Christian or demand a unified day of worship. Justinian also gave a decree demanding conversion to the church. We also have the first French king (Clovis) converting in the early 6th century.
Clovis is significant because if you subtract 1335 years from 1844 you end up at a significant event in Clovis time 508/09
Clovis was baptised into Catholicism on Christmas day 508!
 
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Have you wondered why early Christians changed their day of worship?
No. It's explained right there in the New Testament.

Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, Revelation 1:10
 
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No. It's explained right there in the New Testament.

Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, Revelation 1:10

Actually those scriptures does not explain the change in God’s holy day.

None of those scriptures posted says the 4th commandment is erased and God or Jesus commands us to worship Him now on the first day.

Colossians 2-14-17 is referring to ordinances not God’s commandments. It is referring to the annual Sabbath (s) Feast days that is an ordinance from the law of Moses, not one of God’s commandments we are told are part of an eternal covenant Psalms 89:34, which is why the first day will not be God’s chosen day of worship on the New Earth Isaiah 66:23 nor was it on this earth. Genesis 2:2,3, Exodus 20:8-11. Even the apostles taught is we ought to obey God over man. Acts 5:29.
 
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Actually those scriptures does not explain the change in God’s holy day.

None of those scriptures posted says the 4th commandment is erased and God or Jesus commands us to worship Him now on the first day.
"God's holy day" has not been changed. That was referred to in post #36 and quoted in #39. It has also been repeatedly pointed out on the other threads that have dealt with this subject.
 
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"God's holy day" has not been changed. That was referred to in post #36 and quoted in #39. It has also been repeatedly pointed out on the other threads that have dealt with this subject.

I agree, God’s holy day has not been changed.

God’s Sabbath day is the Lords day because God is the Lord of the Sabbath and deemed no other day as His chosen day expect the seventh day.
 
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