Milo establishes clinic to assist those leaving gay lifestyle.

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Conversion therapies have already been tried. They didn't work, and even caused harm.

The insistence of trying it once again reminds me of unironic communists who believe that this time their utopia will work out, despite all the historical precedents that didn't.

The political label "Conversion Therapy" is a convenient misnomer to prevent any means of assisting folks to revert to their birth gender.
 
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That kind of therapy has been shown to do untold damage without any measurable success.

One can only hope that this will be prohibited.

Please explain in some detail what you are referring to by 'conversion therapy'
 
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Conversion therapies have already been tried. They didn't work, and even caused harm.

The insistence of trying it once again reminds me of unironic communists who believe that this time their utopia will work out, despite all the historical precedents that didn't.

Please be specific - what do you understand 'conversion therapy' to be??

Please give some detail.
 
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The political label "Conversion Therapy" is a convenient misnomer to prevent any means of assisting folks to revert to their birth gender.
Reverting to birth gender is called detransition, and it actually happens sometimes when the gender dysphoria gets misdiagnosed.

But it has nothing to do with the topic, which is about changing sexual orientation. That's what a conversion therapy is meant to do, but it doesn't work. It doesn't actually turn anyone heterosexual, just causes them to suppress their orientation.
 
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Reverting to birth gender is called detransition, and it actually happens sometimes when the gender dysphoria gets misdiagnosed.

But it has nothing to do with the topic, which is about changing sexual orientation. That's what a conversion therapy is meant to do, but it doesn't work. It doesn't actually turn anyone heterosexual, just causes them to suppress their orientation.

Yes... we sure have a labyrinth of opinions on this topic.

Many are motivated by what folks want to believe...
 
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Yes... we sure have a labyrinth of opinions on this topic.

Many are motivated by what folks want to believe...
Posting this unironically is just gold.
Thank you.
 
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The political label "Conversion Therapy" is a convenient misnomer to prevent any means of assisting folks to revert to their birth gender.
Forum rules prevent me from presenting a reasoned argument to refute your assertion. They probably, in spirit at least, prevent me from suggesting where such an argument may be found. So, about all I think I'm able to say is that I disagree with you.
 
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The political label "Conversion Therapy" is a convenient misnomer to prevent any means of assisting folks to revert to their birth gender.


Conversion Therapy is not about birth gender. It's an attempt to convert someone's sexual preference from homosexual to heterosexual.

You are confusing gay people with transsexuals. Given your opinions, you should be aware of this.

OB
 
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Forum rules prevent me from presenting a reasoned argument to refute your assertion. They probably, in spirit at least, prevent me from suggesting where such an argument may be found. So, about all I think I'm able to say is that I disagree with you.

Are you sure?

Can you state the rule?
 
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Are you sure?

Can you state the rule?
Pretty sure Carl, but as it is well past midnight and I was about to shut down when your reply came in I'm going to wait till tomorrow to check it. If you haven't seen a reply in 18 hours please prod me, in the thread or by pm. My memory is not what it used to be. Not that I really recall what it used to be.
 
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You reckon skepticism is immune to confirmation bias ??? !!!

Get real...

You reckon science and medicine is free of confirmation bias ???!!!

Bollocks...

Science and medicine decided that I needed a 6 month course of ECT and Chlorpromazine hydrochloride. Now they are publicly apologising for the abuse.

My relatives thought I was too far gone and there was no hope. I was reduced to vegetable state.

That was 45 years ago.

But folks prayed and now my life is way beyond what I could ask or think.

So am I going to write Milo or anyone else off for that matter ??

Of course not - I have seen what Jesus can do first hand. No one is beyond redemption and healing.

So time will tell if he is genuine or not.

God bless you! I'm sorry you went through that abuse.
 
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Posting this unironically is just gold.
Thank you.

Indeed.

As if a pervasive religious tradition with a great deal of prejudice against gay and trans people couldn't possibly bias anyone's thinking on the subject.
 
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I have friends that deeply regret assisting their daughter to become a man - all parties see it as being a grave mistake.

What a coincidence.

I have friends that deeply regret their conversion to Pentecostalism....


... so what?
 
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Indeed.

As if a pervasive religious tradition with a great deal of prejudice against gay and trans people couldn't possibly bias anyone's thinking on the subject.
I think you meant to say 'truth,' lol.
 
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I think you meant to say 'truth,' lol.

It's only true for you because that's what you were raised with. If you were raised in a place like Japan or Thailand, it would be incomprehensible.
 
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I have friends that deeply regret assisting their daughter to become a man - all parties see it as being a grave mistake.

The info in your OP is in reference to sexual attraction not gender. When one is born with the nature of the opposite sex it is obvious to those around them, but may not be obvious to that person. This is known as beingTransgender. When one is born with a sexual attraction to those of the same sex as themselves, it is Homosexuality which may not be obvious to others but is definitely obvious to that person.
 
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