How to spot the Devil

SabbathBlessings said:

I think you may have missed the whole point of the New Covenant.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

This new covenant has never ended and what Jesus was following, not the old covenant. The new covenant has the same laws, which is why it is still a sin to break God's commandments 1 John 3:4 the only difference is the promises.

The Ten Commandments was not nailed to the cross, it very clearly states "ordinances" Colossians 2:16 that was nailed to the cross and not God's commandments that we are told are eternal Psalms 89:34. The law of Moses that was written by Moses and contained ordinances and had to do with blood sacrifices and feasts days and other ceremonial laws is what was nailed to the cross with Jesus as our perfect sacrifice.

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I came from a church that taught this same thing, that only the sacrifices were nailed to the cross, but not the Ten Commandments. However, what's not understood is every law of Israel were administered under the Levite Priest. If someone stole, committed adultery, etc, either sacrifices had to be done or, some other punishment. Each year the Priest went behind the vail to atone for the sins of all the people and it didn't matter what sin they had committed, which included the Ten Commandments When Jesus died on the cross, and when the vail was ripped, the sacrifices for sin administered by the Levi Priest in the temple, ceases. So there is no justification for keeping laws that were stopped due to Jesus's death.

God took care of this and He made the change. "I will put my laws into their hearts, and mind" was foretold in in the old testament.

Jeremiah 31:31, "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; And after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts..."

The above scripture is telling us that the writing of God's laws in our hearts is not done by us, but by God's Spirit. Why do you think the vail was ripped?

Tell me what the Holy Spirit is able to accomplish in us? Either I accomplish it, or the Spirit accomplished it. If I accomplish it (that is keeping the Ten Commandments) then I'm not walking by the Spirit, I'm walking by the flesh. If the Spirit accomplished it, then the Power of God fulfills the righteousness of the law in me by producing His fruits of the Spirit; writing his laws in my mind and heart. Not my fruits. His fruits. Not what I do. What He does. Not keeping the Ten Commandments. His fruits given to us by the Spirit.


God bless you!

biblelesson said:

I came from a church that taught this same thing, that only the sacrifices were nailed to the cross, but not the Ten Commandments. However, what's not understood is every law of Israel were administered under the Levite Priest. If someone stole, committed adultery, etc, either sacrifices had to be done or, some other punishment. Each year the Priest went behind the vail to atone for the sins of all the people and it didn't matter what sin they had committed, which included the Ten Commandments When Jesus died on the cross, and when the vail was ripped, the sacrifices for sin administered by the Levi Priest in the temple, ceases. So there is no justification for keeping laws that were stopped due to Jesus's death.

God took care of this and He made the change. "I will put my laws into their hearts, and mind" was foretold in in the old testament.

Jeremiah 31:31, "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; And after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts..."

The above scripture is telling us that the writing of God's laws in our hearts is not done by us, but by God's Spirit. Why do you think the vail was ripped?

Tell me what the Holy Spirit is able to accomplish in us? Either I accomplish it, or the Spirit accomplished it. If I accomplish it (that is keeping the Ten Commandments) then I'm not walking by the Spirit, I'm walking by the flesh. If the Spirit accomplished it, then the Power of God fulfills the righteousness of the law in me by producing His fruits of the Spirit; writing his laws in my mind and heart. Not my fruits. His fruits. Not what I do. What He does. Not keeping the Ten Commandments. His fruits given to us by the Spirit.


God bless you!

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You seem to have not read my post! You also seem to be disregarding all the direct quotes from our Savior as well. You are free to believe as you wish, but it doesn't change the scriptures. You can not walk in God's Spirit by breaking God's laws. Many deceive themselves into believing this, but if you would read the scriptures I posted, you would know based on scriptures this is not the case. We must repent and turn from sin and have a changed heart. Jesus gives us everything to make this happen. He died for our sins. He gives us the Holy Spirit to help us obey, but we have to want to. God is not going to force us to obey Him, He gives us free will!

Sidon said:

So, about Paul's death.

I"ll let you decide......

Here is the verse... ""A group of Jews from Antioch and Iconium came to Lystra and won over the crowds. Then they stoned Paul, and dragged him out of the city, supposing he was dead.""

What i can tell you is that the stones meant to kill and these had killed before.
Would they examine the body?
Ummmm.
Yeah.

And it was during this experience of death, that Paul saw the 3rd heaven.
He said.>out of the body or not, i dont know....

Probably difficult to tell when you have not died before.
New experience can be like that.

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Paul did not die they supposed he was but he wasn't.

what verse or verses speaks of when he saw a third heaven and had a out of body experience or not, when Paul was dragged out of the city???

i haven't read any verse that speaks of that.

biblelesson said:

I completely agree! I don't see where Paul was beheaded. And what I have heard about this have been from other people's commentary claiming that it is likely Paul was put to death because he was in a Roman in prison. But nowhere in the bible can I find this. In fact, the last account of Apostle Paul and his life is in the last book of Acts.

Acts 28:30, "And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God and teaching those things which concerned the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

God bless you!

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indeed it's basically folk lore that Paul was beheaded.

Eusebius claimed that Paul was beheaded at the order of the Roman emperor Nero or one of his subordinates.

HTacianas said:

So are we to disregard all the rest of the bible and support your version of the teachings of Paul?

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I can’t believe you’ve been on CF for 3 years and have managed to avoid all the “Pauline threads”. Lol It’s truly amazing that he knows what threads you’ve been on for the last 3 years.

Joined2krist said:

There seems to be some truth in what the OP is saying.

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Yeah just wait until the peel opens a bit more. He claims to preach Paul’s gospel but ignores half of it. You know, the half where Paul warns us not to sin. Just two weeks ago he said a person who is born again can walk into a church and begin killing everyone inside and if he is killed in the process he is still saved. This week that’s changed to a person who is born again cannot sin.

My first thought is the OP does not give the devil enough credit. He is the father/master of lies and has far more tricks up his sleeve than just this.

Sidon said:

I asked you if you can prove you are born again.
Is this a difficult question?
The reason im asking, is, if you're not, then you'll never understand anything im teaching, nor will you be able to receive any light from the NT.

Also, i would never tell anyone not to keep the 10 Commandments, and ive never told anyone on this forum, or on any forum, or in any Church, not to keep the commandments..
The 10 Commandments, and Jesus's 2, which are the same, are our moral boundary.
They are important in that regard, only.

So, what the devil's dark lights try to get you to do, is to keep the law and commandments, to try to go to heaven.

This is a "false gospel", as it is the Devil's gospel, .. the Gospel of works.

God's Gospel is THE CROSS.

The Devil's Gospel, is : The Cross + Works....which include commandment keeping.

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Prove that you are born again. Admittedly, there is no way I can prove that I am.

Sidon said:

There is no Cross and no Blood Atonement in your gospel. Galatians 1:8

You need to figure out why, asap.

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How to walk in the Spirit.
You didn't read this the last time I posted it to you?

Au contrairé!

To the Kingdom Gospel belongs the last Passover between the Galilean Apostles and Jesus, where Jesus offers them the New Covenant, and hands them the bread and the wine... aka His word and His life, aka His flesh and His blood... which the 11 accepted.*

Matthew 26:26-29, John 6:56 He that eateth My flesh, and drinketh My blood, dwelleth in Me, and I in him. 1 John 1:7-9, Revelation 1:5-6, Revelation 5:9-10.

Matthew 1:21, Matthew 9:22, Matthew 24:22, John 5:34 these things I say, that ye might be saved, James 2:14, Jude 1:23, Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Yep, it still looks like blood to me.

Sidon said:

You are not teaching that verse correctly.

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I respect your opinion, but we'll have to agree to disagree.

Sidon said:

Its like this......According to the FOREKNOWLEDGE of God, believers are chosen, in Christ.

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I agree.
According to the foreknowledge of God, as seen in Jeremiah 1:5 and Psalms 139, believers are chosen in Christ, before the foundation of the world ( Ephesians 1:4 ).

Sidon said:

You have been taught to read lt like this.....

"God chose who would go to heaven, and who will burn in the lake of fire".

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Actually, I heard the preaching of God's word in 1978 and believed it.

Years later, a friend of mine gave me a few verses and it took off from there.
I've never been taught it that way by men, because I was raised "Fundamental Baptist"...
and they don't teach election to salvation.

Sidon said:

The "pre-destined" verses, state clearly that the elect are predestined to be conformed into the image of Christ.

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I agree...one of them does.
Specifically, Romans 8:29-30 teaches that those who were foreknown, were predestinated conformed to the image of His Son.

The other passage that mentions the word "predestinated" involves the believer's adoption as children of God ( Ephesians 1:5 ).

Sidon said:

So, let me explain all this simply.

God knows everything.
So, He knows who is going to receive Christ and become born again, before they are born, and who won't... He knows this about us ALL........Even before He created the world.

This is God's "Foreknowledge"....Its the Omnipotent power of God to know everything before it happens.

You have been taught this is a deceptive way, Navair2
You have been taught that God's KNOWING is God causing it.
You have been taught that God knowing what will happen, is God causing it to happen.
And that is the deception, you have been taught.

Let me show you the truth.
The truth is this......God KNOWING EVERYTHING< is not God Causing Everything.
Its only Him knowing all things before they happen. = "foreknowledge".

An example?

You will eat a few times today.
God knows what you will eat today, but He does not cause you to eat it.

So, in the same light....God knows who will trust in Christ, before they are born, but He does not cause this for them...>He only already knows what they will choose.

And so....THAT is "FOREKNOWLEDGE">... or Knowing BEFORE it happens, what will happen.
That's God's "Foreknowledge".

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While I respect your efforts at trying to teach me otherwise, I know what the Bible teaches.

What you're describing is not God's working of all things after the counsel of His own will ( Ephesians 1:11 ), but rather His informing Himself, ahead of time, what we will do given a set of circumstances.
That's not what "foreknowledge" means in the Scriptures.

That said, all of God's children can go straight to the well of His word for their understanding of the Scriptures...they have the Holy Spirit to explain things for them ( 1 Corinthians 2:6-16, 1 John 2:20-27 ).

Sidon said:

First of all, unfortunately.... the "predestined elect" theology, is a particular denominations false explanation of the "foreknowledge" of God.
What they believe about this, is not what Paul Teaches.

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Paul delivered the Gospel, which includes their being chosen by God, in several of the epistles.
Perhaps re-reading them several times would help?

I could give you the passages, but I think that you already know them.

Sidon said:

Paul teaches John 3:16, as this is John teaching Pauline Theology.

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I agree.
Paul does indeed teach that God loved the "world" of His people.

See Revelation 5:9 and Revelation 7:9 in particular...
The world of both Jews and Gentiles...the "called" of God ( Acts of the Apostles 2:39, Romans 9:24, 1 Corinthians 1:18-24 ) out of every tongue, tribe and nation.

Sidon said:

Peter preaches the same in this verse.....2nd Peter 3:9, that God wants ALL to be saved.

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If you'll look carefully at 2 Peter 3:9, the context should tell you who the "us-ward" are...
The "beloved" from verse 8.
That's why that passage is speaking to and about God's elect, not all men.

Peter is addressing the believer, and telling them that God is long-suffering to them, not willing that any of them perish, but that they all come to repentance.

@Sidon :

So, knowing how to spot the devil is to know one's Bible, and to know the Author of it.
Those who know the Lord, both believe His words and grow into a complete understanding of them,
following their Lord's commands in 1 Peter 2:2 and 2 Timothy 2:15.

They don't need men to teach them how to spot the devil and his ministers...
They can do so for themselves by carefully evaluating a false teacher's fruits;

Again, as found here:
Galatians 5:19-23.

I wish you well, sir.

Navair2 said:

@Sidon :

So, knowing how to spot the devil is to know one's Bible, and to know the Author of it.
Those who know the Lord, both believe His words and grow into a complete understanding of them,
following their Lord's commands in 1 Peter 2:2 and 2 Timothy 2:15.

They don't need men to teach them how to spot the devil and his ministers...
They can do so for themselves by carefully evaluating a false teacher's fruits;

Again, as found here:
Galatians 5:19-23.

I wish you well, sir.

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sounds similar to

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.

BeyondET said:

sounds similar to

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.

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It is.
Please see 1 John 2:20-27.

Sidon said:

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You've seen a banana that is perfect. Its all yellow and beautiful.
Then you peel it, and inside the center is BLACK.
See that?
Thats a FAKE Christian on a forum, or in a pulpit, standing there talking about OLD TESTAMENT LAW and SELF EFFORT, instead of talking about the CROSS and the BLOOD OF JESUS.

SEE THEM?

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Jesus said...>"be careful that the light that is in you, is not DARKNESS".

See that?
That is DECEPTION.

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Whenever I read comments about deception it's about the kind of deception that could trick 10s, 100s or 1000s of people. I never read anything about deception that could trick millions or billions of people.

How could I trick millions of people?

Here is an example of how something you know in your heart is good but is actually not good: sending firemen to put out all the fires in the forest. Fires are bad. Putting them out is good. What could go wrong? 70 or 80 years later everything gets wiped out.

What is good today but 100+ years from now is bad?

If women focus on their career they don't have kids. Some countries are projecting massive population drops by the end of the century.

What's the deception? Men and women are equal.

How many churches preach that men and women are equal?

How could I trick billions of people?

What if I come out of the clouds with great power and authority along with an army of angels? And I can do great miracles. Who am I?

Well, I'm Jesus. You know that. Except there is a problem. I'm Islamic. Confused?

Welcome to the greatest deception of all time. That Jesus is a demon in human form. Those angels are demons. They help to force the entire world to convert to Islam. This is Islamic prophecy.