How to walk in the Spirit.

Sidon · Jun 24, 2021

Ligurian said:
Well that's not true, is it. Jesus gives grace for grace which means you are forgiven to forgive others..

Good luck with that one in eternity.

Listen carefully.

If salvation is you "Forgiving others', then why did Christ die on the Cross?

If salvation, as you teach it, is..>"forgiving others""', then this means any CHRIST REJECTOR who forgives others, is going to heaven, according to your "gospel"

So, i dont know who taught you such incredible Cross denying theology, but, you can believe they are not your friend.

fhansen · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
I can deal with others once you have understood the first.

You haven't dealt with the first tho. Once you understand it, I'll know you've dealt with it.

fhansen · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
That interesting, what you posted......as its Legalism perfectly defined.
See all that SELF EFFORT? The Legalist Believes they are to do all that to be saved and stay saved.

Notice there is no CROSS, no BLOOD of JESUS< found in that theology.
And that is because the theology of the legalist is law, commandment, and SELF SELF SELF SELF SELF, effort.

No, your still not getting it. All those things can only be done by the Spirit, under grace, which has nothing to do with accomplishing anything under the law. Do you oppose man being righteous? Or believe God cannot make us so, cannot justify/sanctify us?

Sidon · Jun 24, 2021

fhansen said:
You’re right. Our access to the Spirit now to overcome sin, to grow nearer to God, to grow in love rather than away from it, is complete.

When we are born again, we are born again into the Holy Spirit of God, by the Holy Spirit.
God would not do that if we have sin, and He would not do that if sin were going to be "in us", later.

We can't have sin, and be "in Christ" or "One with God and Christ".

1 John 3:9

All sin, has been dealt with by God on the Cross, or Salvation would fail.
God can't fail.
Salvation, once applied is Eternal Life.

Sidon · Jun 24, 2021

fhansen said:
You haven't dealt with the first tho. Once you understand it, I'll know you've dealt with it.

Ive dealt with it many times.

So, you saying "i dont accept Paul"< is the problem . (my paraphrase).

See, i have told you in many Threads the same Pauline Theology answers.
Ive posted to you and BNR32fan, the most, as i have given more to you 2, then to any other members here.

You've been dealt with., a lot.
Believe it.
But i can't make you receive it.
Thats on you.

Sidon · Jun 24, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
You claim that a person who is born again cannot sin yet Paul constantly warned believers who were “sealed with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption” not to sin.

The issue isn't Paul, the issue is that you dont understand this verse.

1 John 3:9

And dont ever use the NIV, as it is dumpster food.
This "version" will ruin your faith.

Then look at Romans 4:8, and find out why that is true.
(Read my Threads)

So, if you are born again, and not just water baptized thinking that the water washed your sins away....it didn't..........then....If you can come to understand that you are not your flesh, as that is the "Old man" that is crucified with Christ.....and NOW the born again are become... a new Creation.

There is your answer found, but you have to find it.
I can only teach it.

fhansen · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
When we are born again, we are born again into the Holy Spirit of God, by the Holy Spirit.
God would not do that if we have sin, and He would not do that if sin were going to be "in us", later.

We can't have sin, and be "in Christ" or "One with God and Christ".

1 John 3:9

All sin, has been dealt with by God on the Cross, or Salvation would fail.
God can't fail.
Salvation, once applied is Eternal Life.

Ok, so you're saying that a born again person does not sin. Except that he does sin. Or that some, unrelated part of the same person still sins. But otherwise he doesn't sin. Or something like that. And either way God doesn't care if the unrelated part of the same person still sins. Of course.

fhansen · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
Ive dealt with it many times.

So, you saying "i dont accept Paul"< is the problem . (my paraphrase).

See, i have told you in many Threads the same Pauline Theology answers.
Ive posted to you and BNR32fan, the most, as i have given more to you 2, then to any other members here.

You've been dealt with., a lot.
Believe it.
But i can't make you receive it.
Thats on you.

And by now, after my and other's explanations you must finally know that there's no difference between the theologies of Jesus, John, James, Paul, Peter et al, all of whom expressed them to one degree or another. You've mistaken Paul's battle again legalism/"Judaism" for a theology that means we're no longer obligated to be personally righteous, and act accordingly, in order to see God.

Hmm · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
Ive posted to you and BNR32fan, the most, as i have given more to you 2, then to any other members here.

Favouritism! You should send us all an equal number of posts otherwise it's bad for morale.

Ligurian · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
That interesting, what you posted......as its Legalism perfectly defined.
See all that SELF EFFORT? The Legalist Believes they are to do all that to be saved and stay saved.

Notice there is no CROSS, no BLOOD of JESUS< found in that theology.
And that is because the theology of the legalist is law, commandment, and SELF SELF SELF SELF SELF, effort.

Au contrairé!

To the Kingdom Gospel belongs the last Passover between the Galilean Apostles and Jesus, where Jesus offers them the New Covenant, and hands them the bread and the wine... aka His word and His life, aka His flesh and His blood... which the 11 accepted.*

Matthew 26:26-29, John 6:56 He that eateth My flesh, and drinketh My blood, dwelleth in Me, and I in him. 1 John 1:7-9, Revelation 1:5-6, Revelation 5:9-10.

Matthew 1:21, Matthew 9:22, Matthew 24:22, John 5:34 these things I say, that ye might be saved, James 2:14, Jude 1:23, Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
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* John 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot [the son] of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Iskariotes; inhabitant of Kerioth; Iscariotes (i.e. Keriothite), an epithet of Judas the traitor:--Iscariot.

Judas was an Edomite.

Sidon · Jun 24, 2021

fhansen said:
Ok, so you're saying that a born again person does not sin. .

The born again person is not your body or mind or "old man".

The born again person, is actually the born again SPIRIT.
See that?
That part is what is born again.....not your body, mind, or thoughts or desires.
Its the dead spirit that is made alive by God's Holy Spirit.

So your question isn't the right question, so let me ask the right one..

"sidon, so, you are saying that a person does not sin who is a Christian".

No, im saying that the born again Spirit, that is the New Creation in Christ, does not sin.

See, that is not the same, as your original Question.

The born again Spirit, is the real "person", who is inside the body, and will get a new body.
The dying body, is attached to the old man, the "sinner" who is "crucified with Christ"< and born AGAIN as the SPIRIT that is "One with God, and Christ".
There is no sin found there.

Sidon · Jun 24, 2021

fhansen said:
And by now, after my and other's explanations you must finally know that there's no difference between the theologies of Jesus, John, James, Paul, Peter

Do you own a new Testament?
not a NIV or a Douay Rheims,....and a few others.

If you own one, turn to Acts Chapter 10.

Read where Peter was given a "vision".
This vision, is given in Acts 10, which is 10-12 yrs, obo, after peter preached in Acts 2.
IN the vision, God is teaching Peter, about Pauline Theology, that Paul will teach Peter more about in Acts 15.
IN the vision, God is showing Peter he can eat a meat that Peter, understood isn't acceptalbe, according to the Law of Moses.
God tells this legalist, "what i make clean, you can eat".
And peter discerns (perceives) that God is allowing the GENTILES to be SAVED.

See that?
That is Peter, a decade after Christ is back in Heaven, and this apostle does not know that GENTILES can be SAVED.
Why? Because he has no concept of the "Gospel of the Grace of God", that Paul rightly describes as "MY Gospel".
Peter still thinks, a decade after Jesus is back in Heaven, that only the JEWS can be given salvation.

So, is that Peter and Paul understanding the same Gospel?
Not quite, as Peter does not even know what it is yet, till Acts 10, and God forces him to realize it.

Paul is your Apostle to the Gentiles, who wrote most of the NT, and all the Church Doctrine.

Sidon · Jun 24, 2021

Ligurian said:
Au contrairé!

To the Kingdom Gospel belongs.

Im not sure where you got your kingdom, but you didnt get it from a New Testament.

Listen,
In Luke , you find Jesus saying """"that the Kingdom of God is within you"

Paul teaches that the Kingdom of God is "righteousness, peace, and Joy, in the Holy Ghost".

So, you have a NT rejecting idea that the Kingdom of God is not Spiritual.
In fact it is..
See, God is "A" Spirit, and His Kingdom is LIGHT., which is Righteousness and TRUTH.
This is why the born again are "Translated from darkness.....>TO Light".

There is the Kingdom of God.
Its not a dispensation, or a piece of real estate or a cloud bank.

Ligurian · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
I dont root up the planted, i root out the deceivers.
But you've already learned that.

Matthew 5:11-12 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

John 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. 6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came in front of Me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth His life for the sheep.

Ligurian · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
Im not sure where you got your kingdom, but you didnt get it from a New Testament.

Matthew 3:2, Matthew 4:17, Matthew 5:3, Matthew 5:10, Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven, Matthew 5:20, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 8:11, Matthew 10:7, Matthew 11:11, Matthew 11:12, Matthew 13:11, Matthew 13:24, Matthew 13:31, Matthew 13:33, Matthew 13:44, Matthew 13:45, Matthew 13:47, Matthew 13:52, Matthew 16:19, Matthew 18:1, Matthew 18:3, Matthew 18:4, Matthew 18:23, Matthew 19:12, Matthew 19:14, Matthew 19:23, Matthew 20:1, Matthew 22:2, Matthew 23:13, Matthew 25:1, Matthew 25:14.

Matthew 6:33, Matthew 12:28, Matthew 19:24, Matthew 21:31, Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof., John 3:3, John 18:36, James 2:5, Revelation 1:9, Revelation 12:10.

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people., Matthew 9:35, Matthew 11:5, Matthew 24:14, Matthew 26:13.

Sidon · Jun 24, 2021

Ligurian said:
Matthew 5:11-12 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you],

Maybe i should say you are "lame" or "off your chain"?
But if i did that, id be just like you.
@God forbid.

Sidon · Jun 24, 2021

Ligurian said:
the Kingdom of Heaven, 7 the Gospel of the Kingdom,.

Notice they are not the same phrase?

its like this..
God exists in a Spiritual Kingdom.
Look around you, is that it?

There is coming a time that God and the redeemed by the blood of the Lamb will be together in Jerusalem.
Is that the kingdom of Heaven or is that the Kingdom of God that is within you?

So, how do you get into God's Kingdom?
Jesus said...>"you must be born again".

Ligurian · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
that's how i recognized you.

i read your posts, i note they are insulting, and carnal, and i can see you clearly by your "fruit".

And you'll show me more as that is your nature.

Paul doesn't say very much about fruit, and what he does say is of course entirely unrelated to works lest any man should boast... but what he does say applies to you, Sidon. Galatians 5:22-23.

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For the Kingdom Gospel, there's this: Matthew 7:3

Ligurian · Jun 24, 2021

Ligurian said:
Matthew 3:2, Matthew 4:17, Matthew 5:3, Matthew 5:10, Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven, Matthew 5:20, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 8:11, Matthew 10:7, Matthew 11:11, Matthew 11:12, Matthew 13:11, Matthew 13:24, Matthew 13:31, Matthew 13:33, Matthew 13:44, Matthew 13:45, Matthew 13:47, Matthew 13:52, Matthew 16:19, Matthew 18:1, Matthew 18:3, Matthew 18:4, Matthew 18:23, Matthew 19:12, Matthew 19:14, Matthew 19:23, Matthew 20:1, Matthew 22:2, Matthew 23:13, Matthew 25:1, Matthew 25:14.

Matthew 6:33, Matthew 12:28, Matthew 19:24, Matthew 21:31, Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof., John 3:3, John 18:36, James 2:5, Revelation 1:9, Revelation 12:10.

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people., Matthew 9:35, Matthew 11:5, Matthew 24:14, Matthew 26:13.

Sidon said:
Notice they are not the same phrase?

I quoted both Matthew 4:17 and Matthew 4:23 at you... and you missed it.

Matthew 4:17-17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. 18 And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. 19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. 20 And they straightway left [their] nets, and followed him. 21 And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James [the son] of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and He called them. 22 And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him. 23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

The Gospel called Mark says the same thing.

Mark 1:14-15 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the Gospel.

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Revelation 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Ligurian · Jun 24, 2021

Sidon said:
Listen, if you want me to continue to show you what have not yet understood, so that you can move forward within your theology, then speak to me with legit questions, and not with lame immature, insults.
I think you can handle this, bnr32fan.
Give it a try.

Sidon said:
Maybe i should say you are "lame" or "off your chain"?
But if i did that, id be just like you.
@God forbid.

I never said that YOU are lame... I said your verbal skills are lame... you can't pretend you haven't said the word lame like it's anathema to you, since we've all seen you say the same thing to "bnr32fan".

Personally, I don't even pretend to know whether or not you're physically crippled. Nor did I say "off your chain"... in case anyone's taking notes.

Ligurian said: ↑
"I think Sidon slipped the leash and ran off to create more threads..."

Just so we're clear, the term "slipped the leash" has nothing to do with you being an animal... that thought never crossed my mind.

Slip the leash - definition, etymology and usage, examples and related words

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