More than 150 Houston hospital workers fired or quit after refusing COVID-19 vaccine

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About that misleading graph. While it certainly appears to cast doubt on the safety of the vaccine a lot of relevant information is being concealed.

Remember what the graph shows - adverse effects after a vaccine. Now then: Suppose that 1000 people are going to die of a heart attack each each month in the world before vaccines were even invented! The graph would read zero - although 1000 people are dying each month of heart attacks, zero of these come after a vaccine (since no has received a vaccine). Now consider the situation before Covid, but during the time after vaccines were invented when people were getting various other vaccines (e.g. flu, Hep B, etc). Some, say 20, of the 1000 who are destined to die each month of a heart attack that has nothing to do with vaccines are going to have been vaccinated for flu or hep B, etc. So, they will be recorded as a "death after a vaccine" and the graph would no longer read zero - it would read 20.

Get it now? Even if no heart attack was ever caused by a vaccine, we would see a jump in the chart from zero (before there any vaccines) to 20 after vaccines were invented.

Now then, what happened in early 2021? Answer: many, many, many more people have received vaccines (mostly the Covid vaccine obviously) per month than in 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020. Suppose all 1000 of these poor souls that were going to die of a heart attack, for reasons that have nothing to do with any vaccine, get the Covid vaccine in a given month. So even if the Covid vaccine produced no side effects, there would still be 1000 people stone dead "after a vaccine" per month and the chart would spike to 1000.

Now then, ye have been walked through this in grisly detail and art therefore without excuse.
 
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I don’t have COVID or the vaccine
Neither did a family member who attended a Memorial Day gathering with other unvaccinated family members. A week later she was in the hospital and 7 days later she died. She was a special person in our community, church, and family, we will miss her.
Another member now has covid and isn't doing well.
 
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it's all part of working in health care

SIL is a nurse & she got her shot
if those nurses don't care about their patients, they deserve to be fired

people who are sick enough to be hospitalized don't need to risk getting covid while being a patient!
We can be sure that they all have to have other vaccinations in order to work there such as MMR, etc.
 
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What ever happened to testing? The nurses could be tested to see if they have Covid or not, and then sent home if they do. It worked before. All those doctors and nurses wearing the fully enclosed protective gear before there was a vaccine. What happened to that? Those nurses worked very long shifts and sacrificed being with their families because they didn't want to risk bringing the virus home, so they lived in RVs and motels. Now they're being fired from their job and labeled as if they "don't care about their patients".
How quickly this country turns against the people they held up as heroes less than a year ago!
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And some of them got sick and some died as well as passing it on to others.
There is a vaccine now so those risks don't need to be taken as they were when there was no vaccine.
 
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Now here is something else you hide: What else, besides adverse events following vaccination, has increased as of 2020?

Answer: vaccinations, of course.

This is what you are hiding: given that there has been a sudden surge of vaccinations as of 2020, it would be, of course, entirely expected that adverse events "following a vaccination" even if the vaccine were entirely safe.

The graph misleads.

The chart clearly says "deaths", not adverse events. Nice little spin though.
 
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Of the hospital’s staff, 285 were granted medical or religious exemptions from the vaccine and 332 were allowed to defer it, Boom said, but most of the rest were vaccinated by the hospital’s deadline.
Is there a religion where it is against their religion to get vaccinated?
 
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Actually, it does. Ask the loved ones of those who died.
The point, of course, is that the graph does not support the anti-vax position.

This has been demonstrated in detail, and no one has challenged the analysis.
 
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The point, of course, is that the graph does not support the anti-vax position.

This has been demonstrated in detail, and no one has challenged the analysis.

You mean the "Just because the person died right after getting the vaccine doesn't mean the vaccine made him die" song and dance? We weren't hearing that reasoning during the pandemic when anyone who died after getting a positive test result for Covid was counted as a Covid death, regardless of the manner of death. But that's "science" for ya.
 
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You mean the "Just because the person died right after getting the vaccine doesn't mean the vaccine made him die" song and dance?
Yeah, that song and dance. You cannot possibly not understand that correlation does not imply causation.

So to suggest otherwise would be, you know, a lie.

You cannot possibly not understand that people will die of all sorts of reasons after getting a vaccine that have nothing to do with the vaccines.

So to suggest otherwise would be, you know, a lie.

So then, time to show your cards: do you believe that the fact that a person drops dead a month after a vaccine implies the vaccine caused the death.
 
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We weren't hearing that reasoning during the pandemic when anyone who died after getting a positive test result for Covid was counted as a Covid death, regardless of the manner of death. But that's "science" for ya.
Another misleading post. This issue has been addressed in detail before. The explanation is complex and that is part of the reason why the profoundly reckless anti-vax campaign has abused this issue and no doubt directly contributed to needless deaths by misleading the scientifically naive.

Here is the explanation again:

Let me assume that, yes, the government did count anyone who tested positive for Covid, and then died within X days of testing positive, even if hit by a bus, as a Covid death.

And although it may seem counterintuitive, I believe this approach may indeed be "fair" in the sense that it may be the best practical way to fairly tally Covid deaths.

Obviously, it is not correct to count someone (who tested positive) and was then flattened by a bus as a Covid death. But, and this is the crucial point, this "over-count" of the guy flattened by the bus will be offset by the fact that the counting mechanism will not count someone who factually died of Covid but who never was tested, or died after X days have elapsed since they tested positive.

See what I mean? I am no doctor, but I bet that even in normal times, it may be difficult to assign a single cause of death in some cases. And with the crush of deaths during the pandemic, I bet that made it even more difficult. In short, a pragmatic (i.e. very fast) approach to determine what counts as a covid death was likely needed - an approach that does not require a detailed investigation that no one has the time to do.

So maybe simply counting any death of a covid + patient within X days of testing positive is the best compromise - the idea being that over-counting (i.e. of the guy flattened by the bus) will, on average, be offset by true Covid deaths that are not counted as such, especially due to (a) somebody factually dying of Covid without testing positive; and (b) somebody factually dying of Covid after X days have elapsed since testing positive.

This is why it is misleading to talk about the guy being flattened by the bus - yes, this is an over-count.
But, of course, there will be under-counts as well.
 
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Yeah, that song and dance. You cannot possibly not understand that correlation does not imply causation.

So to suggest otherwise would be, you know, a lie.

But the "lie" of calling a death from a stroke or heart attack a week after getting a positive test result for Covid is ok?

You cannot possibly not understand that people will die of all sorts of reasons after getting a vaccine that have nothing to do with the vaccines.

So to suggest otherwise would be, you know, a lie.

Are the people at MSNBC all liars then? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/23/cdc...t-inflammation-after-covid-vaccine-shots.html

So then, time to show your cards: do you believe that the fact that a person drops dead a month after a vaccine implies the vaccine caused the death.

Your "month after" timeline is a strawman.
 
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Your "month after" timeline is a strawman.
Nonsense. Are you simply mistaken, or are you trying to mislead readers?

It is not a strawman since it directly addresses that absurdly misleading graph.
 
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Another misleading post. This issue has been addressed in detail before. The explanation is complex and that is part of the reason why the profoundly reckless anti-vax campaign has abused this issue and no doubt directly contributed to needless deaths by misleading the scientifically naive.

Here is the explanation again:

Let me assume that, yes, the government did count anyone who tested positive for Covid, and then died within X days of testing positive, even if hit by a bus, as a Covid death.

And although it may seem counterintuitive, I believe this approach may indeed be "fair" in the sense that it may be the best practical way to fairly tally Covid deaths.

Obviously, it is not correct to count someone (who tested positive) and was then flattened by a bus as a Covid death. But, and this is the crucial point, this "over-count" of the guy flattened by the bus will be offset by the fact that the counting mechanism will not count someone who factually died of Covid but who never was tested, or died after X days have elapsed since they tested positive.

That sounds like a very "social justice" way of counting deaths. Using inaccurate figures that inflate the count in order to offset assumed omissions. Might be "practical", but not accurate. But if that's acceptable, then why not take a healthy teenager who gets the shot, then a few hours later develops health issues and dies the next day and count him as a vaccine death to make up for probable vaccine deaths that weren't counted as such? At least it would be consistent.

See what I mean? I am no doctor, but I bet that even in normal times, it may be difficult to assign a single cause of death in some cases. And with the crush of deaths during the pandemic, I bet that made it even more difficult. In short, a pragmatic (i.e. very fast) approach to determine what counts as a covid death was likely needed - an approach that does not require a detailed investigation that no one has the time to do.

So maybe simply counting any death of a covid + patient within X days of testing positive is the best compromise - the idea being that over-counting (i.e. of the guy flattened by the bus) will, on average, be offset by true Covid deaths that are not counted as such, especially due to (a) somebody factually dying of Covid without testing positive; and (b) somebody factually dying of Covid after X days have elapsed since testing positive.

This is why it is misleading to talk about the guy being flattened by the bus - yes, this is an over-count.
But, of course, there will be under-counts as well.

Ok, this explains overcounting in Covid deaths, but doesn't explain why the same methods aren't being applied to vaccination deaths. Can you admit that it's pretty suspicious that a person with no underlying health problems gets the vaccine, and their health suddenly nosedives, and then they die? And don't you find it a bit suspicious that those pushing the vaccine (still unapproved by the FDA) do so many mental gymnastics to say that those deaths probably aren't related to the vaccine?
 
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That sounds like a very "social justice" way of counting deaths. Using inaccurate figures that inflate the count in order to offset assumed omissions. Might be "practical", but not accurate. But if that's acceptable, then why not take a healthy teenager who gets the shot, then a few hours later develops health issues and dies the next day and count him as a vaccine death to make up for probable vaccine deaths that weren't counted as such? At least it would be consistent.

Ok, this explains overcounting in Covid deaths, but doesn't explain why the same methods aren't being applied to vaccination deaths. Can you admit that it's pretty suspicious that a person with no underlying health problems gets the vaccine, and their health suddenly nosedives, and then they die? And don't you find it a bit suspicious that those pushing the vaccine (still unapproved by the FDA) do so many mental gymnastics to say that those deaths probably aren't related to the vaccine?
Which hospital ICUs are being filled with vaccinated people suffering from serious side effects? Is it anything like we have seen with covid-19 infections?
 
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Be aware that some analysis is needed. The problem with the raw reports from VAERS is that (1) anyone can enter data, so some of it is wrong, (2) myocarditis occurred even before Covid, and can also be caused by Covid, so you have to separate out what would have happened anyway. So the CDC looked at the details of a sampling of cases. That resulted in a lower number than simply counting unconfirmed reports.

Here's what the CDC currently thinks:

"That said, they also determined that the case rates are low and the cases are generally very mild. Nearly all of the cases recover quickly with limited treatment, and no deaths have been reported."

While young adults aren't at as high a risk for Covid as older people, cases are increasing, and there can be serious effects.

This story gives lots of details you miss in normal press reports:

Here’s all the data on myocarditis cases linked to COVID-19 vaccines
 
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