The history of how Sunday worship came about

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A day ends when it becomes night. If there is no more night then the day does not end.
I do not think so. God centered everything around a 7 day week cycle. Isaiah is saying on the New Earth there will be one new moon to another so there must be some sort of time on the New Earth.

And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
 
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Will you worship Jesus every new moon to another?
I worship God daily He is the center of my life, but God deemed the seventh day as His holy Sabbath day so on this day it is an entire day of communion with my Savior and I work the rest of the week, like God told me to. Exodus 20:8-11
 
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Well this is what the scripture says:

Isaiah 66:
22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
So you believe that all flesh will only worship God at most, 5 times a month? Is that your interpretation of Isaiah?
 
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I do not think so. God centered everything around a 7 day week cycle. Isaiah is saying on the New Earth there will be one new moon to another so there must be some sort of time on the New Earth.
Or it is an expression meaning perpetual worship.
 
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So you believe that all flesh will only worship God at most, 5 times a month? Is that your interpretation of Isaiah?
Did I say that? God is the center of my life. I worship Him daily. Does God tell us to work six days?
Exodus 20: 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

And does God tell us to do something different on the seventh day?

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work

On the New Earth we are told we will be building houses and doing things, so I don't think it will be that much different than how it should be here now, except we will be worshipping Jesus on Sabbath face-to-face!

This has been a fun discussion, but I have to run for now. God bless.
 
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Or it is an expression meaning perpetual worship.
It doesn't say that, it says from one Sabbath to another, just like from one Sabbath to another I go to church to worship my Savior.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.
 
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That describes worshipping God every day. It speaks of perpetual worship.
i agree 100% with your quote in Isaiah that we are to worship God every day. God walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden EVERY DAY. Enoch walked with God 300 years. This is fact and not in dispute. However...and this is the big HOWEVER...

God set aside a SPECIAL DAY (the Seventh Day Sabbath) and he hallowed that day for a special communion between us and OUR CREATOR! It is on this day that we are to REMEMBER our creator!

That is the significance of the Sabbath over any other day or worship during the weekly cycle. God himself told us through the prophet Samuel..."to obey is better than to sacrifice!" Samuel clearly outlined that changing Gods commands simply to offer a sacrifice to him is a sin. This means (whether Sunday worshipers are able to grasp the concept or not, that changing the command to have that special remembrance of the creator worship on the Seventh Day to worshipping on Sunday, ie worshipping the sacrifice and resurrection...is a sin!)

Everything Jesus did on earth, he did to Glorify the Father. How can we interpret this as to mean that Jesus is glorifying the father by changing the day of worship to one that glorifies Jesus resurrection and therefore glorifies himself above that of the Father in Heaven? Jesus would be glorifying himself because the God created the Sabbath day of rest and your are saying Jesus has thrown that day out the window and now telling us to worship him instead! That sounds a lot like Lucifer repeating himself to me! Jesus never separated his will from that of the Father. That is why Jesus himself kept the Sabbath!
 
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The change did not come from Constantine. Christians from well before Constantine are documented worshipping Christ specifically on Sunday which they referred to as the Lord's day.
SDA's all believe that Constantine simply ratified an already accepted practice.
 
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SDA's all believe that Constantine simply ratified an already accepted practice.
That hasn't been my experience during discussions with SDA's on this topic.
 
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SabbathBlessings said:
Interesting, but what is missing is God commanding us to not keep His seventh day Sabbath holy and the first day is now God's new holy day.

According to God, He commanded us to keep the seventh day holy. This is the day that is God's Sabbath according to God. Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 2:3 He told us it is a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16 which is why on the New Earth we will continue worshipping God on His chosen day Isaiah 66:23 not the day that is a commandment of man that Jesus warns us about Mathew 15:3-9. It's well documented the change in the day of worship for the majority of people and that change came from outside the Bible. Since our God is our Creator and Savior, I am going to let God be God and worship Him on the day He asked us to REMEMBER and keep holy.

Jesus kept the Sabbath and are we not told to follow Jesus? Luke 4:16. His disciples kept Sabbath as well Acts 18:4 and Paul summed it up when he told us but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. 1 Corinthians 7:19

Yes, as Jesus fulfilled the law with doing all that was according to commandments, it was not for us to then not follow him in that. The difference in Jesus is that Jesus is the effective sacrifice and atonement, no one and no other being needs to be killed for us.

It's more than just a day of rest, but that's part of it. God's holy day is the seventh day Sabbath period. It's part of our moral duty out of love to keep all of His commandments including the 4th, which is the only one He started with the word "REMEMBER" stated there not by accident or mistake. Exodus 20:8-11 I'm sure you appreciate it when your family celebrates your birthday on the actual day you were born, instead of a day that is more convenient for them. When we obey God, we are allowing His will to be ours. God bless

I have been resting as I can on the seventh day, remembering this day for it. The last I had church involvement was through online services, it was still with my church that has Sunday services. There is no Seventh Day church near enough, I am not Seventh Day Adventist anyway. But if there was an online Seventh Day service, like a Seventh Day Baptist service, I would attend that.
 
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Yes, as Jesus fulfilled the law with doing all that was according to commandments, it was not for us to then not follow him in that. The difference in Jesus is that Jesus is the effective sacrifice and atonement, no one and no other being needs to be killed for us.

I have been resting as I can on the seventh day, remembering this day for it. The last I had church involvement was through online services, it was still with my church that has Sunday services. There is no Seventh Day church near enough, I am not Seventh Day Adventist anyway. But if there was an online Seventh Day service, like a Seventh Day Baptist service, I would attend that.
Hi Fred,

Nice to meet you.

My former church has a great online service. I have since moved but will still watch online in addition to attending my local church when I am able.

Live — Granite Bay Hilltop Seventh Day Adventist Church (granitebaysda.org)
You can also watch live on YouTube

They also have an extensive library of past sermons you can watch at anytime
Media Library | AFTV | Amazing Facts

God bless!
 
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That hasn't been my experience during discussions with SDA's on this topic.

Indeed, and Emperor St. Constantine didn’t even ratify Sunday worship - by that time Christianity was already the state religion in Edessa and Armenia, and the Armenian Orthodox Church only celebrates the Eucharist on Sunday and major Holy Days.
 
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That hasn't been my experience during discussions with SDA's on this topic.
Your experience on SDA'S???
I AM an SDA, and my dad is also an SDA pastor...I can tell you your experience with SDA's is not reflective of what the church teaches its members or what they believe.
It is historical fact, Constantine simply ratified an already existing Christian church habit of worshiping on Sunday. All SDA's are taught this...if you just happened to listen to the ones who didn't, that is true of any church doctrine. There are some SDA's who are not trinitarian, their are some who do not believe in the heavenly sanctuary doctrine of 1844...I wonder if you have met any of those?
 
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Your experience on SDA'S???
I AM an SDA, and my dad is also an SDA pastor...I can tell you your experience with SDA's is not reflective of what the church teaches its members or what they believe.
It is historical fact, Constantine simply ratified an already existing Christian church habit of worshiping on Sunday. All SDA's are taught this...if you just happened to listen to the ones who didn't, that is true of any church doctrine. There are some SDA's who are not trinitarian, their are some who do not believe in the heavenly sanctuary doctrine of 1844...I wonder if you have met any of those?

Not on ChristianForums, because acceptance of the Nicene Creed is required for Christian members, and the forums for debating non-Christian religions have been shut down. Basically, the CF.com Statement of Faith which includes the Nicene Creed and a few other common sense provisions, like acceptance of the Apostolate of Paul, defines for me in a satisfactory manner Christianity; non-Trinitarianism I do not regard as compatible with the Christian faith.

I also have not met any SDAs who reject the Heavenly Sanctuary / investigative judgement doctrine, or any EGW doctrines, on CF.com. I once posted a thread to see if we had any members of that view, and no one appeared who dissented on those issues.
 
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