IS ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT GOD'S CHURCH?

LoveGodsWord · Jun 21, 2021

Guojing said:
which one of us here don’t clam to do that?

Just because you may say this, I think anyone who prayerfully sees what the scriptures actually say word for word as opposed to what is read into the scripture to make scripture say things it does not say will know who is telling the truth or not and just because two people have different views does not mean that one person is right and one person is wrong. The word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. If your lamp goes out how will you find your way when the road is dark and narrow?

Something to pray about.

Guojing · Jun 21, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Just because you may say this, I think anyone who prayerfully sees what the scriptures actually say word for word as opposed to what is read into the scripture to make scripture say things it does not say will know who is telling the truth or not and just because two people have different views does not mean that one person is right and one person is wrong. The word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. If your lamp goes out how will you find your way when the road is dark and narrow?

Something to pray about.

One would naturally think other people would agree with them, doesn’t make that true

HIM · Jun 21, 2021

Guojing said:
It’s because you cannot imagine being saved without the new covenant.

that is the mystery of the body of Christ that was revealed to Paul

Gentiles were given as was Israel.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Guojing · Jun 21, 2021

HIM said:
Gentiles were given as was Israel.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Given what, the New Covenant? You think Romans 10:8 is saying that?

LoveGodsWord · Jun 21, 2021

Guojing said:
One would naturally think other people would agree with them, doesn’t make that true

Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it according to the scriptures *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. What we or others think does not really matter. You have been given God's Word that shows your teachings are not biblical so I will simply leave them between you and God to work through.

Guojing · Jun 21, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it according to the scriptures *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. What we or others think does not really matter. You have been given God's Word that shows your teachings are not biblical so I will simply leave them between you and God to work through.

I was commenting on your point

I think anyone who prayerfully sees what the scriptures actually say word for word as opposed to what is read into the scripture to make scripture say things it does not say will know who is telling the truth or not

LoveGodsWord · Jun 21, 2021

Guojing said:
I was commenting on your point

And I was commenting on yours.

OldWiseGuy · Jun 21, 2021

Guojing said:
Yes, it takes a long time for many Christians to realize that about Jesus's first coming. Every time I bring up Matthew 15:24, they will try all means to say that Jesus was saying something else there.

And he began his ministry among the poor and despised descendants of house of Israel living in the region of the old northern kingdom, thus fulfilling that part of his mission. Tradition has it that the disciples also ministered to the 'lost sheep' that had migrated into Europe, several of them ending up in Britain.

HIM · Jun 22, 2021

Guojing said:
Given what, the New Covenant? You think Romans 10:8 is saying that?

Romans 10:6-8 is a paraphrase from Deut 30:11-14 and the reality of it.
For The word; Christ, to keep His commandments and statutes, and to turn unto the Lord with all thy heart and all our soul is very nigh unto us. It is in our hearts and in our mouths that we may do it. THAT IS THE FAITH in which we preach.

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Deut 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deut 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

The Word being very nigh unto them. In their hearts and in their mouths is the same thing that was prophesied in Jeremiah and Ezekiel. And it is the circumcision that is mentioned in Deut 30:6.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ezek 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Deut 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Guojing · Jun 22, 2021

HIM said:
Romans 10:6-8 is a paraphrase from Deut 30:11-14 and the reality of it.
For The word; Christ, to keep His commandments and statutes, and to turn unto the Lord with all thy heart and all our soul is very nigh unto us. It is in our hearts and in our mouths that we may do it. THAT IS THE FAITH in which we preach.

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Deut 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deut 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

The Word being very nigh unto them. In their hearts and in their mouths is the same thing that was prophesied in Jeremiah and Ezekiel. And it is the circumcision that is mentioned in Deut 30:6.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ezek 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Deut 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

The way you link the 3 passages together is very unique.

HIM · Jun 22, 2021

Guojing said:
The way you link the 3 passages together is very unique.

Pray my friend because it is Truth

Guojing · Jun 22, 2021

HIM said:
Pray my friend because it is Truth

The way you link them reminds me of the argument that goes

I preached that my wife had long hair and wearing dresses.
Someone else also preached his wife had long hair and wearing dresses.

Therefore we must be talking about/married to the same woman.

RickReads · Jun 22, 2021

HIM said:
Pray my friend because it is Truth

Jeremiah 31 is an unfulfilled Bible prophecy.

HIM · Jun 22, 2021

RickReads said:
Jeremiah 31 is an unfulfilled Bible prophecy.

God in Romans 10:6-8 states differently.

HIM · Jun 22, 2021

Guojing said:
The way you link them reminds me of the argument that goes

I preached that my wife had long hair and wearing dresses.
Someone else also preached his wife had long hair and wearing dresses.

Therefore we must be talking about/married to the same woman.

Obviously you are not serious.
Take care

Guojing · Jun 22, 2021

HIM said:
Obviously you are not serious.
Take care

No, I am saying you are taking scripture from different places, and making use of words and terms that "look similar" in those, to conclude that they are all talking about the same thing.

Those who do that are usually not going to be convinced otherwise, so while I respect your opinion, I don't share it.

RickReads · Jun 22, 2021

HIM said:
God in Romans 10:6-8 states differently.

Not really. At best it gives some particulars about the earnest given through the Holy Spirit. Nothing going on in the last 2000 years of Christianity fulfills the conditions found in Jeremiah 31.

"34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Guojing · Jun 22, 2021

RickReads said:
Not really. At best it gives some particulars about the earnest given through the Holy Spirit. Nothing going on in the last 2000 years of Christianity fulfills the conditions found in Jeremiah 31.

"34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Yeah, I was amazed at how some people change the meaning of the literal words there, in order to claim it was already fulfilled.

HIM · Jun 23, 2021

RickReads said:
Not really. At best it gives some particulars about the earnest given through the Holy Spirit. Nothing going on in the last 2000 years of Christianity fulfills the conditions found in Jeremiah 31.

"34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

It is being spoken in the Subjunctive mood.
Mood-Subjunctive

The subjunctive mood is the mood of possibility and
potentiality. The action described may or may not occur,
depending upon circumstances.

Whether we see or believe it...
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

LoveGodsWord · Jun 23, 2021

RickReads said:
Nothing going on in the last 2000 years of Christianity fulfills the conditions found in Jeremiah 31. "34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Really? Are you saying that we are still in the old covenant now in your view Rick? How do you think John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17; Hebrews 8:11-12 and 1 John 2:27; John 1:29; 36 and 1 John 1:9; John 3:16 all connect with Jeremiah 31:34?

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