Nobody talking on this election subject? Why?

FanthatSpark · Jun 22, 2021

‘Fraud’: Attorney claims 2020 voting systems were remotely accessed, election subverted

I find it refreshing in a, "uniting subject", that involves the entire political spectrum, Globally. The uneducated & severely programmed will at first put this right vs wrong subject in their programmed R vs D that gets them stuck in the branding of "The big lie" or "Stop the steal" ... <--- You take it from there.

A_Thinker · Jun 22, 2021

FanthatSpark said:
‘Fraud’: Attorney claims 2020 voting systems were remotely accessed, election subverted

I find it refreshing in a, "uniting subject", that involves the entire political spectrum, Globally. The uneducated & severely programmed will at first put this right vs wrong subject in their programmed R vs D that gets them stuck in the branding of "The big lie" or "Stop the steal" ... <--- You take it from there.

For that to be the case, the 202 voting systems would have had to have been accessible through the internet, which they were not.

Computer systems don't just automatically "hook up".

This is sort of like how the hero of the "Independence Day" uploads a virus into the invading aliens' computer systems ... even though there is no way for the virus to be transmitted ...

FanthatSpark · Jun 22, 2021

A_Thinker said:
For that to be the case, the 202 voting systems would have had to have been accessible through the internet, which they were not.

In time, we will see about that claim , right? What is a "packet capture" ?

com7fy8 · Jun 22, 2021

Well, it appears the attorney is speaking only about one county in Michigan. And in this article > about the case for one county of Michigan, here is how a Republican judge has ruled >

Judge Kevin Elsenheimer, a former Republican state lawmaker, said of DePerno’s case that the plaintiff “had either been granted what he sought or is not entitled to further relief in the case,”

Yes, it does seem that a number of fraud claims did get investigated, and recounts were made.

Another little item, by the way > if Republicans can lie, this is because humans can lie. And Democrats are humans, too; so how do you know that humans, Republican or Democrat, whom you don't know, are telling you the truth?

Haven't we all been fooled even by ones very close to us??

Also > for in Pennsylvania >

“I’m not about overturning anything,” said Pennsylvania senator Doug Mastriano, who supports launching an audit in his state. “I’m just trying to find out what went right, what went wrong? And how do we have better elections in the future?”

My opinion is that what one attorney claims to have happened in one Michigan county could not possibly be eyewitness evidence to what's happening in every voting situation of the United States, including all the voting machines, and mail-ins and any computer whatever.

And what a few people on TV and in Net posts say is not eyewitness evidence to what happened in all the places of the United States, with each town having voting arrangements and machinery. Plus, America has about three hundred and thirty million people. I doubt a few people on TV or posting on the Net could know what is really happening among three hundred and thirty million Americans. And it does not seem that enough on the scene witnesses have showed to satisfy the courts that the election was stolen.

Why are ones assuming Donald himself did not try to steal the election, by the way? Are we to believe that only Democrats are capable of lying and cheating?

Also, Donald Trump had four years to arrange to have federal judges chosen by his administration, plus to develop a conservative majority in the Supreme Court. But even his own arranged majority in the Supreme Court did not uphold his "stolen election" claim.

Plus, the above quotes indicate that even a former Republican official is not backing up the claims. And there are various other Republican officials who have not bought it.

It seems ones were saying tens of thousands attended Donald's rally, but it did not look like that many actually mobbed the Capitol. And Donald claimed there were "hundreds of thousands", right? Yet, if that were the case, how many out of hundreds of thousands showed for the raid??

There are about three hundred and thirty million people in the United States. Out of that many, it seems like only a small group was convinced enough to raid the Capitol. Plus, I doubt the ones raiding have been actual eye witnesses of election stealing. They only have a few faces on TV plus people they don't even know putting conspiracy stuff on the Net. And those on TV and the Net were not necessarily eyewitnesses of actual corruption.

Now, of course, I know people of this evil world can do what is dishonest. But I am not an actual eyewitness of what . . . of course. I only have say-so, perhaps of people who are not actual eyewitnesses.

JimR-OCDS · Jun 22, 2021

The article is from ahem, Lifesitenews.

Think for yourself and move on.

Yekcidmij · Jun 22, 2021

FanthatSpark said:
‘Fraud’: Attorney claims 2020 voting systems were remotely accessed, election subverted

I find it refreshing in a, "uniting subject", that involves the entire political spectrum, Globally. The uneducated & severely programmed will at first put this right vs wrong subject in their programmed R vs D that gets them stuck in the branding of "The big lie" or "Stop the steal" ... <--- You take it from there.

I wish I had a dime for every time someone says "nobody is talking about X" and then proceeds to let us in on some great open secret or some secret knowledge and insight.

Yekcidmij · Jun 22, 2021

FanthatSpark said:
What is a "packet capture" ?

Intercepting data packets, I presume. Can be easily done with open source tools - you can download them and do it own your own network at home with no effort. It's largely a red herring in this discussion though. To do packet capture in some useful way to interpret data in a packet, you need to do more than just observe a packet of data. Most internet connections are encrypted via a protocol like https or ssh, so even if you did capture a packet by using wirsehark or something, it would be worthless. In the context of this discussion, it's basically useless and has nothing to do with voting machine claims as far as I can tell.

The Barbarian · Jun 24, 2021

Trump supporters say that it was Italian space satellites doing it. Kinda like those Jewish space lasers setting California brush fires.

Haven't you heard?
The Trump administration pushed the Attorney General to investigate a bizarre conspiracy theory that Biden used Italian satellites to steal the election

Yekcidmij · Jun 24, 2021

The Barbarian said:
Trump supporters say that it was Italian space satellites doing it. Kinda like those Jewish space lasers setting California brush fires.

Haven't you heard?
The Trump administration pushed the Attorney General to investigate a bizarre conspiracy theory that Biden used Italian satellites to steal the election

Sounds like something out of a Bond movie.

The Barbarian · Jun 24, 2021

Yekcidmij said:
Sounds like something out of a Bond movie.

If Inspector Clouseau was agent 007.

FanthatSpark · Jun 25, 2021

The Barbarian said:
Trump supporters

What does a program do? It takes a right vs wrong situation (election fraud) and lowers the mind into the framework of above quote to do what? Divide. Some already know the construct of the box. It is in hopes , your, mind breaks free to elevate .

When one elevates and looks at it in a what if, then perhaps that mayor you voted for was changed too???

FanthatSpark · Jun 25, 2021

@Yekcidmij I am of no confidence in "entity" (Umbrella term in U.S. constitution). It will lie, cheat , steal and other atrocities. It is said there will be a symposium to check those packets and "all" are invited to discredit the claim. It is further said, packet capture can not, be manipulated. Therein, is the hope . Not a Trump vs Biden (program language) , but a humanity getting their constitution back from entity. Our treasury is of entity/private corps . I cant get a policy done because i have no entity/lobbyist with a brief case full of entity/money.

What is the root of all evil in bible?

The Barbarian · Jun 25, 2021

Trump supporters say that it was Italian space satellites doing it. Kinda like those Jewish space lasers setting California brush fires.

FanthatSpark said:
What does a program do? It takes a right vs wrong situation (election fraud) and lowers the mind into the framework of above quote to do what?

In that case, fantasizing about Italian Space Satellites hacking our election machines, I guess.

Divide. Some already know the construct of the box. It is in hopes , your, mind breaks free to elevate .

Can't get much more elevated than Italian Satellites.

When one elevates and looks at it in a what if, then perhaps that mayor you voted for was changed too???

There's a fix for that, too...

Foil those Italian mind-control rays from space! (pun intended)

The Barbarian · Jun 25, 2021

FanthatSpark said:
What is the root of all evil in bible?

There is no evil in the Bible. It's God's word.

Yekcidmij · Jun 25, 2021

FanthatSpark said:
@Yekcidmij I am of no confidence in "entity" (Umbrella term in U.S. constitution). It will lie, cheat , steal and other atrocities.

I don't even know what you're trying to say.

It is said there will be a symposium to check those packets and "all" are invited to discredit the claim.

What does this even mean?

It is further said, packet capture can not, be manipulated.

What?

Therein, is the hope . Not a Trump vs Biden (program language) , but a humanity getting their constitution back from entity. Our treasury is of entity/private corps . I cant get a policy done because i have no entity/lobbyist with a brief case full of entity/money.

Utter gibberish.

miamited · Jun 25, 2021

Hi @FanthatSpark

Speaking only for myself, I'm fairly tired of hearing all of the unfounded accusations. If the person writing this article has any proof of what he's claiming, I'm confident that someone will look into it. So far, all I've heard are a lot of bogus claims without a shred of evidence put up to support the claim.

We haven't found a single ballot with bamboo threads. Not a single ballot sent in some shipment of thousands of ballots from China or any other foreign county. There have been no hundreds of ballots in the name of dead people. (Although I have heard of two cases of Republican voters who filled out absentee ballots for a dead parent. So we can take two votes away from Trump.) So far no one has found a single piece of evidence that any of the voting machines were tampered with. So far, of all the two dozen or so claims of election malfeasance, not a p e has had any proof offered to verify them.

Giuliani and that crazy lady attorney and Mike the pillow keep promising us that it's all going to be revealed, but it seems as illusive as Trumps infrastructure plan or his better and cheaper health plan. They're all just gambles that a lot of fools seem to believe. I think most of the rest of us would like to move on to more realistic and provable issues.

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Ted

FanthatSpark · Jun 26, 2021

@The Barbarian I'll be your huckleberry, ^_^

. 1 Timothy 6:10

@Yekcidmij Until we operate in premise of truth which is Federal level of politics is, 1 Timothy 6:10 ,then there is no fixing the problem of entity in a peoples constitution. I will reiterate, entity, is umbrella term... Broken down to base level, entity is the dollar. What can a bunch of dollars do? Examples... Open a multi national bank, corporation, apply laws of protection through government people that love money too (lobbyists & campaign finance) . What is the U.S. treasury? Is it a private corporation or a public treasury? Finally, what would we do to keep our amassed wealth and systems applied to it? <-- That is Love of money. We the people do not have a voice for there is no money in us.

FreeinChrist · Jun 26, 2021

FanthatSpark said:
‘Fraud’: Attorney claims 2020 voting systems were remotely accessed, election subverted

I find it refreshing in a, "uniting subject", that involves the entire political spectrum, Globally. The uneducated & severely programmed will at first put this right vs wrong subject in their programmed R vs D that gets them stuck in the branding of "The big lie" or "Stop the steal" ... <--- You take it from there.

LifeSiteNews has really gotten trashy.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...vestigate-false-election-claims/5312166001/It

The suggestion was among the most striking details of the Senate Oversight Committee's recap of a months-long examination of the presidential election. The report was released Wednesday with its main author, Sen. Ed McBroom, R-Vulcan, saying he found "no evidence of widespread or systematic fraud," contradicting months of assertions from some members of his own party, including former President Donald Trump.

"The committee finds those promoting Antrim County as the prime evidence of a nationwide conspiracy to steal the election place all other statements and actions they make in a position of zero credibility," the report said.

Just because some attorney is promoting a conspiracy does not make it true. Guiliani is finding out that there are consequences to it.

FreeinChrist · Jun 26, 2021

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/25/antrim-county-michigan-vote-recount-heroes/

After the election, McBroom accepted the thankless job of hunting down the truth about the supposedly Stolen Election. Together with two other Republicans and one Democrat, McBroom reports, “We have collectively spent innumerable hours watching and listening and reading.” What they found was a mostly well-run exercise in civic duty, slightly smirched by honest mistakes quickly rectified — and then buried in an avalanche of fantasy, fever dreams, grifter fiction and “blatherskite.”.......

On Nov. 3, 2020, Election Day, vote-tabulating machines in Antrim spat out the following results shortly after the polls closed, the committee found. In a county with 22,082 registered voters, 16,044 ballots were cast. A pretty good turnout. Not every ballot included a vote for president. Of those that did, the lion’s share went to then-president Donald Trump: 9,748. Challenger Joe Biden received 5,960 votes.

No surprise. Rural counties in western Michigan reliably vote Republican.

What happened next was very surprising, though. When the results were fed into the county clerk’s spreadsheet, flaws in the spreadsheet design produced a mistaken report that Biden had won Antrim County. But no one was fooled for a minute. Folks in Antrim immediately started looking for the cause of the suspected error. On Nov. 5, they figured out that a number of Trump votes had been improperly entered in the spreadsheet, and a new report was made with Trump’s total corrected.

The Barbarian · Jun 26, 2021

It looks like Donald Trump is going to experience some of that. Apparently, the Trump organization itself is going to be indicted for criminal activity. Trump lawyers were summoned by the DA and given warning that in the next few days, indictments were expected.

When his fake charity was indicted, he lost it and it cost him huge dollars. When his fake "Trump University" scam was sued, he lost it, and it cost him tens of millions of dollars. Now his core organization is in the docket.

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