The history of how Sunday worship came about

prodromos · Jun 22, 2021

Being Lord of the Sabbath does not preclude Him from being Lord of every day, but Christians very quickly came to know Sunday as the Lord's day because it was the day on which He rose from the dead. It was also known as the eighth day, which is "the day that the Lord has made", a day which is not followed by night. Whoever is in Christ is raised with Him in this eternal day without end. In terms of God's work for our salvation, the eighth day completely supercedes the seventh.

AdamjEdgar · Jun 22, 2021

prodromos said:
Being Lord of the Sabbath does not preclude Him from being Lord of every day, but Christians very quickly came to know Sunday as the Lord's day because it was the day on which He rose from the dead. It was also known as the eighth day, which is "the day that the Lord has made", a day which is not followed by night. Whoever is in Christ is raised with Him in this eternal day without end. In terms of God's work for our salvation, the eighth day completely supercedes the seventh.

That is incorrect...Revelation 12:9 and 14:7 proves that the patience of the saints are those who keep the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus. The commandments here are 100% all of the 10 commandments!

Finally, Christians did not worship on Sunday because he was raised on that day. History proves (if you were to care to read the academic paper i posted earlier on this topic) that they changed their day of worship only in 2 cities and it was due to their trying to avoid paying the temple tax among other persecutions! They were trying to distance themselves from troublemaking Jews...who finally drew the ire of the Romans with a revolt that say Jerusalem get ransacked in A.D 70.

Outside of these two cities, Christians continued to worship on the Seventh Day Sabbath!

A reference from the academic paper...

"a strong anti-Judaic political and social climate at Rome, which, combined with the fact that the Christian community at Rome was likely to be largely Gentile in its makeup, combined to create a climate in which Roman Christians differentiated themselves from Jews by de-emphasizing the Jewish day of worship (the Sabbath), and emphasizing instead Sunday as a day of worship. As evidence for the largely Gentile character of the Roman Church, Bacchiocchi cites the report of the historian Suetonius that the emperor Claudius expelled all Jews from Rome (Suetonius, Claudius 25.4; cf. Acts 18:2). This was but one of several moves against the Jews that took place under different emperors, including the imposition of a rather onerous tax, the so-called temple tax. Thus, Gentile Christians at Rome would have every incentive to distinguish themselves as much as they could from Jews.37 One way they could do so is to worship on a day other than the Sabbath."

klutedavid · Jun 22, 2021

AdamjEdgar said:
Here are the references i was looking for:

"This was but one of several moves against the Jews that took place under different emperors, including the imposition of a rather onerous tax, the so-called temple tax. Thus, Gentile Christians at Rome would have every incentive to distinguish themselves as much as they could from Jews." (Suetonius, Claudius 25.4)

historian Sozomen says, “The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assembled together on the sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria.” Ecclesiastical History (VII 19),

Socrates Scholasticus “Almost all churches throughout the world celebrate sacred mysteries of the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians at Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, do not do this.” Ecclesiastical History (V 22)

These are all included in the research paper
McIver, R. K. (2015). When, where, and why did the change from Sabbath to Sunday worship take place in the early church? Andrews University Seminary Studies, 53(1), 15-35

A copy of this paper may be downloaded from here

The council of Laodicea was held in Turkey in 364 AD.

Constantinople was the capital of the Roman Empire after 330 AD.

About thirty clergy attended this council of Laodicea.

The Sabbath was outlawed in the council of Laodicea.

Yet your quotation from Sozomen gives the impression that the Sabbath and Sunday. Were practiced widely except in Alexandria and Rome.

Your quotation.

"historian Sozomen says, “The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assembled together on the sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria.” Ecclesiastical History (VII 19),"

Sozomen was writing in the early fifth century in Turkey. Even though nearly seventy years earlier the council of Laodicea in Turkey, banned the practice of honoring the Sabbath.

It sure looks like people everywhere were gathering on Sunday, and even in Turkey.

klutedavid · Jun 22, 2021

AdamjEdgar said:
That is incorrect...Revelation 12:9 and 14:7 proves that the patience of the saints are those who keep the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus. The commandments here are 100% all of the 10 commandments!

Finally, Christians did not worship on Sunday because he was raised on that day. History proves (if you were to care to read the academic paper i posted earlier on this topic) that they changed their day of worship only in 2 cities and it was due to their trying to avoid paying the temple tax among other persecutions! They were trying to distance themselves from troublemaking Jews...who finally drew the ire of the Romans with a revolt that say Jerusalem get ransacked in A.D 70.

Outside of these two cities, Christians continued to worship on the Seventh Day Sabbath!

A reference from the academic paper...

"a strong anti-Judaic political and social climate at Rome, which, combined with the fact that the Christian community at Rome was likely to be largely Gentile in its makeup, combined to create a climate in which Roman Christians differentiated themselves from Jews by de-emphasizing the Jewish day of worship (the Sabbath), and emphasizing instead Sunday as a day of worship. As evidence for the largely Gentile character of the Roman Church, Bacchiocchi cites the report of the historian Suetonius that the emperor Claudius expelled all Jews from Rome (Suetonius, Claudius 25.4; cf. Acts 18:2). This was but one of several moves against the Jews that took place under different emperors, including the imposition of a rather onerous tax, the so-called temple tax. Thus, Gentile Christians at Rome would have every incentive to distinguish themselves as much as they could from Jews.37 One way they could do so is to worship on a day other than the Sabbath."

The Sabbath day is a day of rest, no labor.

The Sabbath is not a day of worship and it is never mentioned as a day of worship in the scripture.

Sunday is known as the day that Christians gather to worship Jesus in church history.

Sunday worship goes way back into the first century.

Many churches in the first few centuries held to the Sabbath day and Sunday also.

Gentile Christian churches that only gathered on the Sabbath day are unknown in church history.

prodromos · Jun 22, 2021

AdamjEdgar said:
Outside of these two cities, Christians continued to worship on the Seventh Day Sabbath!

They worshipped on Sunday and on the Sabbath. Primarily on Sunday. The paper you are citing has a bias they wish to confirm and are misinterpreting their sources accordingly.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 22, 2021

klutedavid said:
The Sabbath is not a day of worship and it is never mentioned as a day of worship in the scripture.

Well that's not true:

Isaiah 66: 23 and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Holy, blessed, sanctified and God's Sabbath are words I would include for a day of worship more so than a working day that God deemed the first day.
Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:

prodromos · Jun 22, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Well that's not true:

Isaiah 66: 23 and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

That describes worshipping God every day. It speaks of perpetual worship.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 22, 2021

prodromos said:
That describes worshipping God every day. It speaks of perpetual worship.

Are you redefining God's definition of the Sabbath? There is no where in the bible that Sabbath is mentioned as perpetual worship. God told us to observe the Sabbath day as a perpetual covenant, Exodus 31:16, but only the seventh day is sacred, blessed and we are told to keep this day holy.

Sabbath is God's holy day and He not only spoke these Words, He wrote them with His own finger!

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

prodromos · Jun 22, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Are you redefining God's definition of the Sabbath? There is no where in the bible that Sabbath is mentioned as perpetual worship.

"Sabbath to Sabbath" refers to the entire period and not just the start and end points.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 22, 2021

prodromos said:
"Sabbath to Sabbath" refers to the entire period and not just the start and end points.

No, that is incorrect.

Isaiah 66:23 and from one sabbath to another
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

This means from one Sabbath to another exactly as it reads, not every day is the Sabbath.

klutedavid · Jun 22, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Well that's not true:

Isaiah 66: 23 and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Holy, blessed, sanctified and God's Sabbath are words I would include for a day of worship more so than a working day that God deemed the first day.
Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:

You need to quote the whole verse.

Isaiah 66:23
"And it shall be from new moon to new moon and from sabbath to sabbath,
all mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

The reading of this verse is straight forward. From one month to the next, from one week to the next. All mankind will bow down before me.

If you leave out, "from new moon to new moon", you miss what the verse is really saying.

klutedavid · Jun 22, 2021

prodromos said:
"Sabbath to Sabbath" refers to the entire period and not just the start and end points.

Your not wrong on that point.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 22, 2021

klutedavid said:
You need to quote the whole verse.

Isaiah 66:23
"And it shall be from new moon to new moon and from sabbath to sabbath,
all mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

The reading of this verse is straight forward. From one month to the next, from one week to the next. All mankind will bow down before me.

If you leave out, "from new moon to new moon", you miss what the verse is really saying.

New moon means the beginning of the month

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon (month) to another, and from one sabbath (Saturday) to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

This changes nothing that I previously wrote. For eternity we will be worshipping our Savior on His Sabbath day. Week to week, month to month.

While this does not say this in scripture, I am guessing a month on the New Earth will be every 28 days.

klutedavid · Jun 22, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
New moon means the beginning of the month

Yes and "new moon to new moon" means one month.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon (month) to another, and from one sabbath (Saturday) to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

You can't do that. You can't say that "new moon to new moon" is a month. Then turn and say "Sabbath to Sabbath" is a Saturday.

You cannot see what your doing can you.

prodromos · Jun 22, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
New moon means the beginning of the month

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon (month) to another, and from one sabbath (Saturday) to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

This changes nothing that I previously wrote. For eternity we will be worshipping our Savior on His Sabbath day. Week to week, month to month.

While this does not say this in scripture, I am guessing a month on the New Earth will be every 28 days.

Revelations 21:22-25
And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine upon it, for the glory of God is its light, and its lamp is the Lamb. By its light shall the nations walk; and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory into it, and its gates shall never be shut by day—and there shall be no night there;

The eighth day, eternal day.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 22, 2021

prodromos said:
Revelations 21:22-25
And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine upon it, for the glory of God is its light, and its lamp is the Lamb. By its light shall the nations walk; and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory into it, and its gates shall never be shut by day—and there shall be no night there;

The eighth day, eternal day.

God will be our light but there is nothing stating days, weeks or months are being "done away with".

Adventist Heretic · Jun 22, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
New moon means the beginning of the month

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon (month) to another, and from one sabbath (Saturday) to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

This changes nothing that I previously wrote. For eternity we will be worshipping our Savior on His Sabbath day. Week to week, month to month.

While this does not say this in scripture, I am guessing a month on the New Earth will be every 28 days.

this is referring to the 1000 year regin of Christ on the earth not the new Earth.

prodromos · Jun 22, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
God will be our light but there is nothing stating days, weeks or months are being "done away with".

A day ends when it becomes night. If there is no more night then the day does not end.

klutedavid · Jun 22, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
God will be our light but there is nothing stating days, weeks or months are being "done away with".

If there is no night, no cycle of darkness then light. The new heavens and earth is not a carbon copy of the present universe.

The new heavens has Christ at it's center. Jesus lights up the universe. No need for a sun or a moon.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 22, 2021

icedragon101 said:
this is referring to the 1000 year regin of Christ on the earth not the new Earth.

Well this is what the scripture says:

Isaiah 66:
22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

klutedavid · Jun 22, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Well this is what the scripture says:

Isaiah 66:
“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Will you worship Jesus every new moon to another?

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