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It's not self-saving theology if I can't possibly do it apart from Him.

Yes, that is what i teach.
Correct.

Earlier you were teaching "love", commits no wrong against another, which fulfills the law.
So, what love? The love a person has for their favorite Race Horse?
The Love a person has for Game of Thrones?
What love, flansen? You forgot to say...
So i said it for you..
See you never said it was God's love doing that through you., which is what i was showing you as what Paul teaches as.>"it is not i who live, but Christ, who LOVES, Discipleships, ect, THROUGH ME">
Now you agree.
Thats good.
 
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Hebrews 10:19 the same Hebrews the author is addressing in verse 26. Verse 26 is a hypothetical situation.

A single verse in the blble can be talking both literally and prophetically.
The verses in the bible are "spirit and they are truth".
They are not just words.

So, this is why we find John talking to unbelievers in 1 John 1:9, then in the 2nd Chapter he's talking to the believers, and again in chapter 3.

This is why God tells us to "rightly divide" to "show ourselves approved".
Approved as what?
Approved so as not be found as teaching heresy.

For example, Paul tells the carnal church at Corinth to discipline a young man who is having sexual relations with his Dad's new wife.
So, thats willful sinning by a born again Christian.
Does Paul say...>"you have sinned willfully, and now you are going to hell".
Of course not., as The young man is born again, but is committing fornication as a born again Christian.
This is not very unique.
So, the Corinth church sends the young man on a sabbatical to let him think about it and get that worked out.
Then later Paul says.. (paraphrase)...>"well, we dont want him to be overcome with grief, to the point of doing something drastic."" ........So they let him back in the Church, and Paul told them to do it.
It does not say if the woman was allowed back in, but as she was not even mentioned later, we could assume that she's not born again, so in that case, Paul would not have anything to say about her.

Now, when we look at the Christ rejecting Hebrews, in Chapter 10 and Acts 28, you do not find Paul allowing them another chance to make a wrong a right. So, by this, we see that they were not born again, and that is why Paul warns them so intensely.
He is telling them.. (Paraphrase)......"If you reject your messiah, you are going to burn in the lake of fire with your Daddy the Devil".
And they will not hear.
You also read this...>"they tasted the heavenly GIFT"., and this verse trips up most believers who dont even read their bible, much less study it

See that """" Heavenly GIFT"""?
That is not them receiving the Holy Spirit..... That is these JEWS, who "require a SIGN" as "signs are for the JEWS">........seeing Paul perform 2nd Corinthians 12:12 before their very Eyes.
He performed the "signs of an Aposlle", or a """"Heavenly Gift""", as all the SIGNS are Heavenly GIFTS, and the Apostles had unique ones that regular Christians dont Possess.
For example, Paul once caused a male Witch to go BLIND.
See that? That is the power of an APOSTLE, in that DAY.
And these Jews, in Hebrews 10, tasted this heavenly GIFT, that Paul had...>He showed them Power from HEAVEN, and they still would not receive Christ as their Messiah.

This is why Paul told them that there "remains no more sacrifice"....as there isn't any, if you reject the Sacrifice, who is JESUS.
THEY DID.
And they did it again, in Acts 28.
 
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flansen....

You have sinned willfully since you were born again, or will you tell us that every sin you have committed since you were saved, that you have confessed and repented of...was an ACCIDENT you didnt mean to do?

Come now, if you play that game with us, you'll have to confess that sin next, and it was not an accident that you said it, it was willfully posted.

So,
IF we can just set aside your pretense, and be real, as im always real, and im always truthful...
Here is how you are to understand what God has done through Christ on the Cross.

God, on the day He saved every person who is reading me, right now....KNEW of every sin you would commit after He saved you that day.
He knew of every sin you would commit AFTER HE SAVED YOU THAT DAY.
So, why would God save you, if He knew of all the unrighteousness things you would do later, if they could cause you to lose your salvation. ???????????
God knew on the day He created ADAM and EVE, that you would show up, and you would trust Christ, and after you did, you would sin later.
So, who are you kidding, flansen?

Reader ...are you actually trying to BELIEVE that you can stop being saved, when God knew all you would do wrong, (sin)...after He saved you......and yet He saved you anyway.?

HE SAVED YOU ANYWAY., knowing you would sin many times, later.

Why did He save you, knowing that later you might backslide for a while,, and watch "R" rated Netflix movies, and all this STUFF....after He saved you..?????

Its because, "where sin abounds......(when you sin)......Grace MORE Abounds....(The blood of God is greater than your sin, to keep you CLEAN and Righteous".

God Knew and God knows that HIS SHED BLOOD< will always keep you righteous.
So, that is why He saved you, knowing that later, you would sin and not just once.

See that?
That is the GRACE OF GOD.
That is SALVATiON.
The same blood of Jesus that SAVED YOU..... ALWAYS Keeps you SAVED.

Once you are Born again, you are Always Born again.

im always real, and im always truthful -- in your own eyes. People who read your posts have other opinions. And we're Christians.
 
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If you prefer to qualify faith as such.
It's not about what I "prefer," it's about what the NT teaches.
The bible doesn't put it that way though. Faith, hope, and love are separate items, with love being the most important.
In the virtues, yes. . . but not faith.

Virtues do not save. . .faith saves.

And that is exactly how the Bible puts it.
 
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A single verse in the blble can be talking both literally and prophetically.
The verses in the bible are "spirit and they are truth".
They are not just words.

So, this is why we find John talking to unbelievers in 1 John 1:9, then in the 2nd Chapter he's talking to the believers, and again in chapter 3.

No that’s not what’s happening at all. That’s what you want to believe but that’s not what is being said. You just can’t accept the scriptures for what they actually say because that would destroy your whole theology. That’s the problem and why you resort to saying things like 1 John 1:9 is John speaking to unbelievers when he clearly included himself in that statement. That’s why he said “if WE confess OUR sins, He is faithful and righteous to cleanse US of OUR sins. In every aspect of that statement John includes himself. You are twisting the word of God to conform it to coincide with your theology instead of confirming your theology to coincide with the word of God.
 
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No that’s not what’s happening at all. That’s what you want to believe but that’s not what is being said. You just can’t accept the scriptures for what they actually say because that would destroy your whole theology. That’s the problem and why you resort to saying things like 1 John 1:9 is John speaking to unbelievers when he clearly included himself in that statement. That’s why he said “if WE confess OUR sins, He is faithful and righteous to cleanse US of OUR sins. In every aspect of that statement John includes himself. You are twisting the word of God to conform it to coincide with your theology instead of confirming your theology to coincide with the word of God.

It's too bad that you don't understand John's writing. He is being gentle to those he's writing to so as not to come off as their superior.

1 John 1:3-10, "What we have seen and heard we announce to you too, so that you may have fellowship with us (and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ).
Thus we are writing these things so that our joy may be complete.

Now this is the gospel message we have heard from him and announce to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. [His gentle, teaching mode begins here] If we say we have fellowship with him and yet keep on walking in the darkness, we are lying and not practicing the truth. [Is John a liar?] But if we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. [Again, is John a liar?] But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous, forgiving us our sins and cleansing us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not in us. [Is John, the great apostle whom Jesus loved, saying that Jesus' word is not in in him?]
 
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It's not about what I "prefer," it's about what the NT teaches.

In the virtues, yes. . . but not faith.

Virtues do not save. . .faith saves.

And that is exactly how the Bible puts it.
Faith is a virtue, which is why it's considered that justice, itself, demands that man believes.
 
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Faith is a virtue, which is why it's considered that justice, itself, demands that man believes.
Faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ is not a virtue of our own work, it is a gift we receive and would not have if it were not given (Philippians 1:29; Acts 13:48, 18:27; 2 Peter 1:1; Romans 12:3).
 
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Does the law save?

Why all the problems?. . .It's not complicated.
Love saves: He who is love saves us unto love. So we both love. See? Then the law is fulfilled, righteousness and obedience are finally achieved in man, the lack of which has always been the problem, and the lack of which is the direct result of being apart from God. Adam was wrong. Jesus gets us right.
"What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!" Rom 7:24

“…just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Rom 5:21

“For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.” Rom 6:6

“Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?” Rom 6:16
 
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Faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ is not a virtue of our own work, it is a gift we receive and would not have if it were not given (Philippians 1:29; Acts 13:48, 18:27; 2 Peter 1:1; Romans 12:3).
Its a virtue given us, as all gifts of grace are. Same with hope and love. Historically those three have been called 'theological virtues" which simply designates them as supernatural virtues. And, as with any gift, they can be refused, or rejected at any point down the road. God is patient with us, drawing us into stronger and deeper possession of these gifts, into increasing righteousness IOW. Or we can walk away, and fail. To the extent that we remain, that we participate in doing His will, they only grow. The parable of the talents sheds much light on this dynamic.
 
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Read a bible, put the greek in the closet.
Start with Paul's epistles, Ephesians, Colossians, Galatians, then go to Romans, then 1-2 Tim then Titus.
Before you to that, go to Romans 3:21-28, and Hebrews 13:9.
And.... until you are grounded in Grace, you will continue to be led by the next one that makes you think they have something new for you to try to believe as your next theology.

How many have you had now?
At least 2.

Galatians 2:7-9

You probably don't like the Septuagint either then, right? Even though that's what Jesus quoted from... pffftt put the Greek in the closet... add a dead bolt and bar the door... at all costs, stop the truth from getting out.

Why you continue to try to treat me like I belong to the gentile dispensation... (shrug)
 
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ou have sinned willfully since you were born again, or will you tell us that every sin you have committed since you were saved, that you have confessed and repented of...was an ACCIDENT you didnt mean to do?
Ok, so you acknowledge that we're still, in reality, sinners. So lets turn your position around. Are you making the argument that we can sin wantonly, persistently, in any and all kinds of sin regardless of how heinous? Do we draw a line anywhere? You already stated, I believe, that born again people behave better-or should do so anyway. If so, why? It's because righteousness is more than simply imputed to us. But, we also still sin. So what's the answer?

The answer is that by turning to Jesus we've moved away from sin. most importantly sin that leads to death (1 John 5:17, Rom 8:12-13, Gal 5:16-21, Gal 6:7-9, Rev 22:14-15 ), on the journey now to perfection, holiness, full-blown love of God and neighbor to put it another way. And, yes, if we fail, having turned back towards such sin and away from the love that precludes it, then a change of heart, with confession, is required all over again (1 John 1:9). In this way God keeps us moving onward and upward on the journey we're now set upon. We can't be on God's side and still sin like that in actuality.

“For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.” Rom 6:6

“Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?” Rom 6:16

"Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning." 1 John 3:4-8

"Oh, but that can't apply to the born again!" Of course. Right.
 
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"He that loveth Me not keepeth not My words"

Are you absolutely sure that you want to be judged by Kingdom Law?

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto [the Disciples], "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given."

Context is everything. The meaning of the way is in the passage itself, and these are the precise steps of the way. The beginning and the end are full circle, and every step leads to the beginning.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father's house are many mansions: if not, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love Me, he will keep My words: and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make Our abode with him. 24 He that loveth Me not keepeth not My words: and the word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father's which sent Me.

Im passed from death to Life.
Im translated from Darkness TO Light.
Jesus is THE Light of the World, and im a Child of THE Light.

Im this....>"as Jesus IS, so are the born again in this world".

There is no judgement, regarding SIN, waiting for the born again, after they die.
Why?
Its because JESUS on the CROSS on EARTH, 2000 yrs ago, has already been JUDGED for the sin of the world.
And each person who is born again, based on FAITH IN CHRIST, has "passed from DEATH to Life".
They have passed from judgement to eternal life, already.

That's all the born again.

Are you?

Sure about that?

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love Me, he will keep My words: and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make Our abode with him.

Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.

Or maybe you don't want to be judged by Kingdom Law. ... Galatians 2:7-9
 
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Paul is your "apostle to the gentiles'.
For him this ministry became his only, as per Acts 28, when He was again trying to deal with unsaved Hebrews, who rejected the Gospel and Christ.
Same situation in Hebrews 10.
So, In Acts 28, Paul told them he was finished preaching to the JEWS, and said he would take the Gospel, to the "gentiles'.
So, that is when he became the full time apostle to the gentiles.

As to when the time of the Gentiles started........ well, it started in the foreknowledge of God before God even created the World.
But it was instituted, the second that Jesus, who is God... Died on the Cross for the sin of the world and from that second the world was offered John 3:16.

If it's all cut and dried, why are the predestinated people even here? :scratch: *

Paul's stewardship
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called (kaleo (bid)): and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Peter's stewardship
Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called (kletos), but few chosen (eklektos).

Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called (kletos (invited)), and chosen (eklektos (called out)), and faithful (convinced).

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* The answer must be genetics?
Maybe the gentiles will get their chance to mess up big time during the millennium.
 
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thats how you receive light.

The best way is to study the word and meditate on what you read.

And as you study it, God starts connecting verses for you like dots........Some over here, and some over there.
You are in Titus, and then a verse you had read in the Psalms, suddenly become enlightened and connected. And this just keeps happening..... layer upon layer. Level upon level.....God gives the Light of revelation, beginning with you SEEING Salvation, as God's Blood given for FREE to make you righteous.
That is the GOSPEL.
That is "My Gospel", that Paul teaches.
That is the GRACE Of GOD as the Cross of Christ.
That shed blood of Jesus, IS Salvation. Jesus Himself IS Salvation.
When you see Him as this, you are seeing the Truth...... John 14:6

The bible , the NT is words, but that is meaningless.
You dont get the LIGHT from the verses, unless Christ who is the Light of the World, and the living LIGHT of Life, gives it to you. John 8:12


You notice that i teach and preach the blood of Jesus, when im here, in nearly every post.
My Threads are all about being "in Christ".. Both as being born again, and then as how to live there, as the renewed mind, walking in the Spirit

Understanding that the blood of Jesus makes you righteous and keeps you righteous, and nothing else can, is coming into the revelation of the Grace of God for the first time.
From there you become this verse..>Hebrews 13:9, "heart grounded IN GRACE".

Nothing else is offered by God but the BLood Atonement to get you to heaven., as John 14:6.

You've noticed that all the self savers, all the legalist, attack me and stay on my Threads, regarding teaching their self righteous version of how to go to heaven using commandments, and water, and law, and good deeds.

And then, like magic, one of them will suddenly SEE the Cross.
They will suddenly SEE that God gives the GIFT of Righteousness, and they never saw this before that very second.

That is Christ giving the LIGHT.

I used to get revelations even before I sat down and really read the Bible, which confirmed they were correct. Nothing spectacular. Just basic understanding. It's nice to still experience this in later years.

One of my early ones was that salvation simply comes down to those who accept and those who reject.
 
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