Racial Bias Fueling Warrmongering

SummerMadness · Jun 20, 2021

There are links to the actual paper, what section or passages do you take issue with specifically?

MrMoe · Jun 20, 2021

Some criticisms about the reliability of the Racial Resentment Scale.

"However, other political scientists have questioned the validity of the Racial Resentment Scale. They argue that answers interpreted as “racially resentful” could just as easily indicate an aversion to government assistance to the poor, an ignorance of societal barriers that African Americans face, or a belief in the “just world phenomenon”—the idea that people tend to get what they deserve because the world is just, so individuals are responsible for their own circumstances. Given that the Republican Party believes in less government involvement and is more optimistic of upward mobility, it stands to reason that those within the party would score higher on the Racial Resentment Scale irrespective of actual prejudice. One would expect them to reject government aid to African Americans due to an aversion to government action than racial animosity.

Riley K. Carney and Ryan D. Enos’ 2017 paper, “Conservatism, Just World Belief, and Racism: An Experimental Investigation of the Attitudes Measured by Modern Racism Scales” has generated findings that corroborate this expectation. When administering the Racial Resentment Scale survey but substituting various ethnicities such as “Albanian” or even “Some Whites,” Carney and Enos saw no aggregate difference in response. This indicates that the seemingly racially resentful answers to the Racial Resentment Scale may not be motivated by hostility towards African Americans. Thus, such opinions may be motivated by reasons independent of race."

"Moreover, this study does not absolve conservatism of charges of racism. Conservatives’ support for African American assistance did indeed decline at a faster rate than their support for white assistance (as racial resentment increased). Thus, this study shows that racism, in some form, is still pervasive and in need of measurement. But it also demonstrates that the Racial Resentment Scale is incapable of providing conclusive results. The scale’s tendency to confuse racism with competing variables, such as fiscal conservatism or skepticism towards claims of oppression, obfuscates any findings it may produce."

Can We Measure Racial Resentment?

"The racial resentment scale has been criticized for not separating racism from ideas like conservatism or individualism. Some political scientists have attributed Republicans' higher resentment scores to the fact that they typically favor less government intervention; they are more averse to government assistance to the poor, regardless of race. Believers in the Just-world hypothesis, who therefore believe that one's fate is morally fair and a direct result of one's own actions, also score higher on the racial resentment scale."

"The wording of the statements has been criticized for being vague or otherwise imprecise. For example, in the statement, "Over the past few years, blacks have gotten less than they deserve," it is not stated what Black Americans have gotten less of, or relative to whom."

Racial resentment scale - Wikipedia

GirdYourLoins · Jun 20, 2021

rjs330 said:
They don't say anything about black, Hispanic or Asian racists

I have had it explained to me by left wing political activists that their view was that these people cannot be racist because racism is bourne out of historical white dominance, slave trading, etc.

rjs330 · Jun 20, 2021

Taisho said:
There is a lot of history that is ignored, dismissed or simply considered false by Americans, and especially what their fathers and grandfathers have done to other Americans with the past 100 years alone. Not the evil of the world, but we can't keep trying to diminish the atrocities of our grandparents (while we profit from their exploitation without needing to realize our gain). On a human level, this has to be easy to understand - that a group that benefits off of the subjugation of another group is going to cause animosity. This is especially true if we keep saying it isn't the case when it clearly is; the gymnastics done to separate ourselves from the atrocities and "evil" is an insult to intelligent human beings.

There have not been nearly as many attacks on whites as we would like to believe - especially compared to asians, blacks and latinos. Neither of those aforementioned groups benefit from the subjugation of whites, but the opposite is most certainly true historically in America.

The simple solution would be to eat through the discomfort and see others as humans and equal. When animals are treated better than humans, and it is justified, then we should expect some sort of push-back. It's human nature, and we demerit ourselves by assuming the behavior is out of place considering the history.

Well good grief, who's not seeing others as humans and equals? Who is treating animals better than humans?

Your kind of thinking is part of the problem cause no one is trying to separate ourselves from what happened in the past. We as individuals can easily separate our individual selves from it because WE WERE NOT INVOLVED.

I'm not racist cause I'm white, I'm not bad cause I'm white. I don't treat blacks poorly cause I'm white. I don't ignore history cause I'm white. I shouldn't be treated badly or be shamed because of what some people did 250 years ago and another group did 100 years ago. Especially when the entire world was involved in slavery.

rjs330 · Jun 20, 2021

Jaedan said:
Are you saying that all or some liberals are finding white people to be bad and racist?

Why are you focusing on that, but not focusing on the fact they are saying all whites are bad and racist?

Taisho · Jun 20, 2021

rjs330 said:
Well good grief, who's not seeing others as humans and equals? Who is treating animals better than humans?

Your kind of thinking is part of the problem cause no one is trying to separate ourselves from what happened in the past. We as individuals can easily separate our individual selves from it because WE WERE NOT INVOLVED.

I'm not racist cause I'm white, I'm not bad cause I'm white. I don't treat blacks poorly cause I'm white. I don't ignore history cause I'm white. I shouldn't be treated badly or be shamed because of what some people did 250 years ago and another group did 100 years ago. Especially when the entire world was involved in slavery.

Oh ok lol...

You are speaking from emotion because I actually answered every qualm you posit in your sensational post above. What's that saying? A hit dog will holler...

rjs330 · Jun 20, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
No, it's what the data show. Though I expect the author would prefer "significantly more likely to endorse aggressive military interventions" to the 'war-mongering' that an editor put in the title.

For example, people with racist attitudes favored more aggressive action against Iran. Thirty-five percent would support bombing Iranian suspected nuclear development sites, compared with 15% of whites with less racist attitudes and 31% of white Americans overall.

That is a specific fact.

False corollation. False assumption.

Ophiolite · Jun 21, 2021

rjs330 said:
Why are you focusing on that, but not focusing on the fact they are saying all whites are bad and racist?

For the very simple reason that they are not saying that. Go ahead. Prove me wrong. Quote to me one or more portions of the report that make that claim. When you fail to do so feel free to redact the above post and apologise to the members for misleading them.

essentialsaltes · Jun 21, 2021

rjs330 said:
False corollation. False assumption.

blah blah blah. But since you acknowledge the study presents a correlation, you have recognized that the study shows the differences between white people who score highly on racial resentment from white people who don't. As Ophiolite points out, it does not assert that all white people are racist.

The whole point of the study is to highlight differences between racist and non-racist whites.

Jaedan · Jun 21, 2021

rjs330 said:
Why are you focusing on that, but not focusing on the fact they are saying all whites are bad and racist?

Because you seem like the type of person who advocates for distinction instead of generalization.

Nowhere in the article does the author state that all whites are bad and racist. However, the author does state that the racist attitudes (that I must note, may be due to genuine racism or plain ignorance) of some white Americans have an effect on U.S. military action abroad and other things.

civilwarbuff · Jun 21, 2021

And how many times have we seen our liberal friends here remind of us of: Correlation does not imply causation. Maybe it is best they should remember those words.......

rjs330 · Jun 21, 2021

Taisho said:
Oh ok lol...

You are speaking from emotion because I actually answered every qualm you posit in your sensational post above. What's that saying? A hit dog will holler...

No you didn't. You made claims such as:

the gymnastics done to separate ourselves from the atrocities and "evil" is an insult to intelligent human beings.

I say that's baloney and you say you answered that in the post? We don't do any gymnastics. We know slavery was an evil. It was world wide. It wasn't just the evil white man, despite what is claimed. All of us these days recognize it was a very bad thing. So your claim is false.

You also claim we treat black humans worse than animals. False claim again. Who is doing that?

rjs330 · Jun 21, 2021

Jaedan said:
Because you seem like the type of person who advocates for distinction instead of generalization.

Nowhere in the article does the author state that all whites are bad and racist. However, the author does state that the racist attitudes (that I must note, may be due to genuine racism or plain ignorance) of some white Americans have an effect on U.S. military action abroad and other things.

How many times does the article say "white Americans" without differentiating between some or even few? You took umbrage at my "left" comment, but completely ignore "white Americans" in the article.

It's another divisive leftist article designed to share how bad white people are. Are you buying it?

rjs330 · Jun 21, 2021

Ophiolite said:
For the very simple reason that they are not saying that. Go ahead. Prove me wrong. Quote to me one or more portions of the report that make that claim. When you fail to do so feel free to redact the above post and apologise to the members for misleading them.

See post 53.

rjs330 · Jun 21, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
blah blah blah. But since you acknowledge the study presents a correlation, you have recognized that the study shows the differences between white people who score highly on racial resentment from white people who don't. As Ophiolite points out, it does not assert that all white people are racist.

The whole point of the study is to highlight differences between racist and non-racist whites.

Where is the percentages in the article? How many whites do they claim are racist? How many are not? The article uses over and over again the words "white Americans". Then they toss in a "racist white Americans". It purposely makes it sound like White Americans are racist and some if those racist people are warmongers.

It's just more if the lefts mantra that white people are racist. It fits with the whole thing if "white people are racist whether they realize it or not. "

Like this statement-

In recent decades, white Americans have become less willing to express explicitly racist views, such as opposing interracial marriage or supporting segregation. But they may still harbor bigoted perceptions, doubting Black Americans’ work ethic or commitment to self-reliance, for example.

It's disgusting.

Ophiolite · Jun 21, 2021

rjs330 said:
See post 53.

Oh, just brilliant. You are critiquing the article and not the actual research. Why would you care about a second hand item? You seem to confuse whatever approach the article has taken with the actual findings of the actual research reported in the actual paper. I'm not wasting any more time on this.

Jaedan · Jun 21, 2021

rjs330 said:
How many times does the article say "white Americans" without differentiating between some or even few? You took umbrage at my "left" comment, but completely ignore "white Americans" in the article.

It's another divisive leftist article designed to share how bad white people are. Are you buying it?

The word “white” (in regards to white Americans) was used about 23 times in the article.

Here are two examples of how the word is used.

Paragraph #1

"The effects of American racial bias and anti-Asian sentiment do not end at the nation’s borders. The racial attitudes of white people also influence their support for American military intervention abroad, according to our working paper on US foreign policy and racism" (Medenica).

In this paragraph, the author is not saying that all whites are racist. However, the author is saying that the racial attitudes (which could be racist or not racist) of white people can influence their support for American military invention abroad.

Paragraph #2

"White Americans who hold racist beliefs are significantly more likely to endorse aggressive military interventions over diplomacy or economic strategies in foreign countries at odds with the United States if the residents of those countries are perceived as nonwhite" (Medenica).

In this paragraph, the author states that white Americans who hold racist beliefs are significantly more likely to endorse aggressive military interventions over diplomacy or economic strategies. The author is not saying that all white Americans hold racist beliefs. He is simply examining how the views held by white Americans WHO hold racist beliefs impact diplomacy, etc.

Again, I don’t see how the author is stating that all whites are racist and bad.

You seem to have an infatuation with the nonexistent idea that everyone (which can range from individuals who belong to what you refer to as the “left,” etc.) is out to paint white people as the devil.

As a black kid, I don’t feel like this article is trying to convey that all white people are “bad.” Moreover, this article does not affect my overall view of the significant majority of white people.

rjs330 · Jun 21, 2021

Jaedan said:
The word “white” (in regards to white Americans) was used about 23 times in the article.

Here are two examples of how the word is used.

Paragraph #1

"The effects of American racial bias and anti-Asian sentiment do not end at the nation’s borders. The racial attitudes of white people also influence their support for American military intervention abroad, according to our working paper on US foreign policy and racism" (Medenica).

In this paragraph, the author is not saying that all whites are racist. However, the author is saying that the racial attitudes (which could be racist or not racist) of white people can influence their support for American military invention abroad.

Paragraph #2

"White Americans who hold racist beliefs are significantly more likely to endorse aggressive military interventions over diplomacy or economic strategies in foreign countries at odds with the United States if the residents of those countries are perceived as nonwhite" (Medenica).

In this paragraph, the author states that white Americans who hold racist beliefs are significantly more likely to endorse aggressive military interventions over diplomacy or economic strategies. The author is not saying that all white Americans hold racist beliefs. He is simply examining how the views held by white Americans WHO hold racist beliefs impact diplomacy, etc.

Again, I don’t see how the author is stating that all whites are racist and bad.

You seem to have an infatuation with the nonexistent idea that everyone (which can range from individuals who belong to what you refer to as the “left,” etc.) is out to paint white people as the devil.

As a black kid, I don’t feel like this article is trying to convey that all white people are “bad.” Moreover, this article does not affect my overall view of the significant majority of white people.

What is your overall view?

rjs330 · Jun 22, 2021

Jaedan said:
The word “white” (in regards to white Americans) was used about 23 times in the article.

Here are two examples of how the word is used.

Paragraph #1

"The effects of American racial bias and anti-Asian sentiment do not end at the nation’s borders. The racial attitudes of white people also influence their support for American military intervention abroad, according to our working paper on US foreign policy and racism" (Medenica).

In this paragraph, the author is not saying that all whites are racist. However, the author is saying that the racial attitudes (which could be racist or not racist) of white people can influence their support for American military invention abroad.

Paragraph #2

"White Americans who hold racist beliefs are significantly more likely to endorse aggressive military interventions over diplomacy or economic strategies in foreign countries at odds with the United States if the residents of those countries are perceived as nonwhite" (Medenica).

In this paragraph, the author states that white Americans who hold racist beliefs are significantly more likely to endorse aggressive military interventions over diplomacy or economic strategies. The author is not saying that all white Americans hold racist beliefs. He is simply examining how the views held by white Americans WHO hold racist beliefs impact diplomacy, etc.

Again, I don’t see how the author is stating that all whites are racist and bad.

You seem to have an infatuation with the nonexistent idea that everyone (which can range from individuals who belong to what you refer to as the “left,” etc.) is out to paint white people as the devil.

As a black kid, I don’t feel like this article is trying to convey that all white people are “bad.” Moreover, this article does not affect my overall view of the significant majority of white people.

One if the things that human beings do is they love to say things without really saying things. In other words many are very careful with what they say. We are being inundated with CRT and other things like white fragility etc that paint the picture that all white people are racist to some degree. Hard core, soft core, overt or covert. We are racist even if we don't know we are or feel we are. Just like that article points out with the paragraph I quoted. No the article isn't going to come out and say "all white people are racists." It will just insinuate they are by the wording it uses. I mean why write this article in the first place? Why mention white Americans 23 times?

This is whate people like to do. Just look at the tree. But all of these things tie together. All if the attacks on white people, articles, CRT, white fragility, talking heads, blogs, opinion pages. Put it all together and you have a forest that says, white Americans are a problem. They are THE problem.

Commander Reportedly Tells Troops ‘White People Are Part of the Problem’ | Human Events

Yale hosted a lecture on the 'Psychopathic Problem of the White Mind'

Column: White America, if you want to know who’s responsible for racism, look in the mirror

Yes, All White People Are Racist

Peddling the idea that 'all white people are racist' for profit

Joseph Harker: Of course all white people are racist

At ‘Undoing Racism’ workshop, participants told ‘all white people are racist’ | The College Fix

And we are told subtly that white people are all racist to some degree. This article is just another one that insinuates white people are racist.

FireDragon76 · Jun 22, 2021

MrMoe said:
Some criticisms about the reliability of the Racial Resentment Scale.

"However, other political scientists have questioned the validity of the Racial Resentment Scale. They argue that answers interpreted as “racially resentful” could just as easily indicate an aversion to government assistance to the poor, an ignorance of societal barriers that African Americans face, or a belief in the “just world phenomenon”—the idea that people tend to get what they deserve because the world is just, so individuals are responsible for their own circumstances. Given that the Republican Party believes in less government involvement and is more optimistic of upward mobility, it stands to reason that those within the party would score higher on the Racial Resentment Scale irrespective of actual prejudice. One would expect them to reject government aid to African Americans due to an aversion to government action than racial animosity.

Riley K. Carney and Ryan D. Enos’ 2017 paper, “Conservatism, Just World Belief, and Racism: An Experimental Investigation of the Attitudes Measured by Modern Racism Scales” has generated findings that corroborate this expectation. When administering the Racial Resentment Scale survey but substituting various ethnicities such as “Albanian” or even “Some Whites,” Carney and Enos saw no aggregate difference in response. This indicates that the seemingly racially resentful answers to the Racial Resentment Scale may not be motivated by hostility towards African Americans. Thus, such opinions may be motivated by reasons independent of race."

"Moreover, this study does not absolve conservatism of charges of racism. Conservatives’ support for African American assistance did indeed decline at a faster rate than their support for white assistance (as racial resentment increased). Thus, this study shows that racism, in some form, is still pervasive and in need of measurement. But it also demonstrates that the Racial Resentment Scale is incapable of providing conclusive results. The scale’s tendency to confuse racism with competing variables, such as fiscal conservatism or skepticism towards claims of oppression, obfuscates any findings it may produce."

Can We Measure Racial Resentment?

"The racial resentment scale has been criticized for not separating racism from ideas like conservatism or individualism. Some political scientists have attributed Republicans' higher resentment scores to the fact that they typically favor less government intervention; they are more averse to government assistance to the poor, regardless of race. Believers in the Just-world hypothesis, who therefore believe that one's fate is morally fair and a direct result of one's own actions, also score higher on the racial resentment scale."

"The wording of the statements has been criticized for being vague or otherwise imprecise. For example, in the statement, "Over the past few years, blacks have gotten less than they deserve," it is not stated what Black Americans have gotten less of, or relative to whom."

Racial resentment scale - Wikipedia

"Fiscal conservativism" is almost always a dog whistle for "I don't think black people are worth spending any money on".

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