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Ah I kind of think your trying to get at something I have tried to bring up with various atheistic evolutionists, the sheer implausibility of life originating from a single bacteria let alone how that bacteria could some how that bacteria could spontaneously arise from various building blocks in the environment, and then on top of that is how life could diversify and evolve from that single cell into everything we know today. And to do this without any kind of miracle or intelligent supervision....
Francesco Ayala a Nobel prize winning Evolutionary Biologist, (who is some kind of Catholic monk or priest but a theistic evolutionist) calculated the chance of Evolving "from Bacteria to Man" as some really incredibly low number, its beyond Billions or Trillions to 1. Hugh Ross the Christian Apologist I sometimes follow has described how remote it is. In Physics there is a formula for calculating temperature fluctuations that appear in various situations like why one part of it might be a degree high or lower than another part etc. Anyway just for kicks Ross as a young college student would calculate things like see what the chance or the room with that formula dip down into absolute zero (the temperature of space). And that figure is many many times more problems that the chance of man eventually evolving from bacteria! And this problem is further compounded from things what we know of the geological record etc. Because during much of the earth's existence coming from the Big Bang etc. the earth would have been very hostile to life, it would be too hot, to poisonous, not having air or water to support life etc. But if you go back to the geological record it looks like more or less as soon as the earth is able to support life appears. And it appears in many different forms etc. And basically their is not enough time to do evolution by chance and spontaneous generation of life with the geological record. You do not have millions or billions of years to wait around for some lucky event to happen.
And of course their is much the same thing for evolutionary advantages to slowly evolve. Or to quickly evolve etc. The actual mechanisms of things actually works against the Theory aka defacto religion.
Francesco Ayala a Nobel prize winning Evolutionary Biologist, (who is some kind of Catholic monk or priest but a theistic evolutionist) calculated the chance of Evolving "from Bacteria to Man" as some really incredibly low number, its beyond Billions or Trillions to 1. Hugh Ross the Christian Apologist I sometimes follow has described how remote it is. In Physics there is a formula for calculating temperature fluctuations that appear in various situations like why one part of it might be a degree high or lower than another part etc. Anyway just for kicks Ross as a young college student would calculate things like see what the chance or the room with that formula dip down into absolute zero (the temperature of space). And that figure is many many times more problems that the chance of man eventually evolving from bacteria! And this problem is further compounded from things what we know of the geological record etc. Because during much of the earth's existence coming from the Big Bang etc. the earth would have been very hostile to life, it would be too hot, to poisonous, not having air or water to support life etc. But if you go back to the geological record it looks like more or less as soon as the earth is able to support life appears. And it appears in many different forms etc. And basically their is not enough time to do evolution by chance and spontaneous generation of life with the geological record. You do not have millions or billions of years to wait around for some lucky event to happen.
And of course their is much the same thing for evolutionary advantages to slowly evolve. Or to quickly evolve etc. The actual mechanisms of things actually works against the Theory aka defacto religion.
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Given that we don't have enough information to be able to calculate any meaningful probabilities thereof, such claims are moot.
The probability argument against abiogenesis and/or evolution is nothing more than a giant red herring.
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According to my wife, I'm one kind of animal one day, and another the next!For me it varies...
When I'm trying to do math I'm Plant. (Think some kind of turnip.)
When I'm eating BBQ ribs I'm Animal. (Think ravenous wolf.)
Most the rest of the time I'm Other. (Think spirit.)
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It is amazing how scientists have been able to determine all the way back from the Last Universal Common Ancestor trunk, were formed 2 main branches. Off the one main branch: 9 Bacteria. Off the other branch: the 7 Archaea and the 10 Eukaryota- of which consisted the animal where humans originated from.
What is more fascinating is how science has classified us:
HUMAN TAXONOMY
Human Classification
Kingdom: animals
Phylum: chordata
Class: mammalia
What is more fascinating is how science has classified us:
HUMAN TAXONOMY
Human Classification
Kingdom: animals
Phylum: chordata
Class: mammalia
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Anything that exists today is impossible unless the potentiality already exited at the big bang, and in time it just unfolded. It didn’t have to unfold, the lumber that you had in your backyard had the potential to be a garage, but you built a deck instead so the shack’s potential never unfolded. The lumber that you had never had the potential to be an ice sculpture though. The potential for humans to exist was already there one second after the big bang
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We are species sapiens of the genus Homo, in the tribe Hominini, in the Subfamily Homininae in the Family Hominidae in the Infraorder Simiiformes in the Suborder Haplorhini in the
Order Primates in the Class Mammalia in the Phylum Chordata in the Kingdom Animalia in the
Domain Eukaryota which is one of the three domains of life.
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