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So if we use the Full Moon closes to the Equilux (let's understand they didn't use an equinox) then that would put the full moon of 3/7 (14th of Month) closest to an Equilux of 3/16.

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As you can see that makes the 14th of the first month land on a Tuesday. So not a Friday.
 
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The Jews would have been using a Lunar Calendar, that means the passover (14th day of the month) could fall on any day of the solar week (Sunday - Saturday).

I choose the 14th day of the first Lunar Month belonging to the year. The problem is knowing which month that is. I'll accept any day that falls on as it pertains to the solar week. The one rule I seem to find in the Bible besides all the different historians and such (which don't seem completely clear) is that the Full Moon must be close to the equilux in both vernal and autumn. Therefore, the March 14th, 32 AD date would be the closes to align both the 1st and 7th months to the equilux'. That day just happens to be a Friday on the solar calendar. But this is still something I need to study more as the historical reference I provided earlier with the link is pretty good evidence but there still seems something wrong with it in my opinion.

I do not believe He was in the tomb for 72 hours. In other words, I do not believe the Sign of Jonah pertained to how long Jesus would be in the Tomb but rather the "Heart" of the Earth. I used several things to find the year Christ Returns including the stars. I was then able to just run a computer algorithm I made to plot all the rest of them in history from that date. 32 AD was a Jubilee year according to that algorithm which is really just going back in time by 49 year cycles. I can't tell you when He will return because of forum rules.
The problem is March 14 was the 14th of Adar II. Are you saying that year, the 15th of Nisan was not the Passover? According to even the Lunar Calendar, the Nisan 15 is always a full moon. Why are you picking a totally different month that particular year? Yes, Adar II 14 was a Friday. According to the online Calendar I use, March 16 was the full moon, a Sunday during Adar II. In Nisan, the 14th was the full moon, a Monday. That is why AD 32 is not a candidate. During Adar II, the full moon is late on Sunday. Early on Monday during Nisan. Even if the Passover was changed in 32 AD to Adar II, the full moon on Sunday does not make sense.


The time spent in the tomb was 3 days to prove death. Since Jonah did not die for 3 days in the book of Jonah, the Jews seems to think one is not officially dead until the 3rd day. Jonah 1:17

17 Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

It would be a miracle if only 24 hours. God claims 3 days, and 3 nights. Was Lazarus in the tomb 24 hours? John 11:6-7

6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.
7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.

Did Jesus wait 2 more days?


11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

Then we are told:

17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.

So by the time they did arrive, Lazarus was already in the tomb 4 days. Even longer than the 3 days and 3 nights, Jonah was not dead, unless one accepts Jonah himself was resurrected. Lazarus being dead 4 days, was dead, dead. He was starting to stink of rotten flesh after 4 days.

38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.

So the sign of Jonah, and the reason Jesus waited 4 days to Raise Lazarus from death, is not a time factor more than it was proof of death. Sure Jesus could have only been there 24 hours, and really, really dead. Death was already confirmed though. John 19:32-35

32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

Jesus was dead. So changing things to a particular day came centuries later by a rather feast day prone need for a particular feast day, having nothing to do with proving the death of Jesus to Jews in the first century. Friday cannot work both because of Scripture and Jesus' body was not in the grave for only 24 hours to prove to me or you, Jesus was dead or not. Jesus was there 3 days and 3 nights, because in 30AD the 15th of Nisan was 3 days away from Sunday. They did not even seal the tomb until a day later on Friday. Why: Matthew 27:62-64

62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.

It was 3 days, because that is what those that week claim. Not because the church later decided to celebrate a certain Friday every year. Not even because a certain year is in perfect alignment with the sun and moon. Yes, God is certainly aware of how the stars work: Genesis 1:14.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

God created and knew exactly how all would work out to the exact time necessary. Picking a Friday is not necessary to God's plan. The church in choosing Friday was an act to remove all Hebrew recognition of the Passover. It also was a move to a more pagan acceptance of the equinoxes. Not going to question your motive. Nor is the need to pinpoint the time an attempt to bring the Law into the reasoning. But to totally divorce the Cross from the Passover is not recognizing God at work in the lives of whom God chooses.
 
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The problem is March 14 was the 14th of Adar II. Are you saying that year, the 15th of Nisan was not the Passover? According to even the Lunar Calendar, the Nisan 15 is always a full moon. Why are you picking a totally different month that particular year? Yes, Adar II 14 was a Friday. According to the online Calendar I use, March 16 was the full moon, a Sunday during Adar II. In Nisan, the 14th was the full moon, a Monday. That is why AD 32 is not a candidate. During Adar II, the full moon is late on Sunday. Early on Monday during Nisan. Even if the Passover was changed in 32 AD to Adar II, the full moon on Sunday does not make sense.

To understand what I'm saying you have to know that I'm not referring to modern Hebrew Calendar. I'm saying that Jesus was crucified on March 14th, 32 AD based on that Julian date. That day would be a Friday. Now your software might call it Adar II or just Adar. But I believe that was Nisan 14. In any case, I believe Jesus was crucified that day.

The time spent in the tomb was 3 days to prove death. Since Jonah did not die for 3 days in the book of Jonah, the Jews seems to think one is not officially dead until the 3rd day. Jonah 1:17

17 Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

It would be a miracle if only 24 hours. God claims 3 days, and 3 nights. Was Lazarus in the tomb 24 hours? John 11:6-7

6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.
7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.

Did Jesus wait 2 more days?


11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

Then we are told:

17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.

So by the time they did arrive, Lazarus was already in the tomb 4 days. Even longer than the 3 days and 3 nights, Jonah was not dead, unless one accepts Jonah himself was resurrected. Lazarus being dead 4 days, was dead, dead. He was starting to stink of rotten flesh after 4 days.

38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.

So the sign of Jonah, and the reason Jesus waited 4 days to Raise Lazarus from death, is not a time factor more than it was proof of death. Sure Jesus could have only been there 24 hours, and really, really dead. Death was already confirmed though. John 19:32-35

32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

Jesus was dead. So changing things to a particular day came centuries later by a rather feast day prone need for a particular feast day, having nothing to do with proving the death of Jesus to Jews in the first century. Friday cannot work both because of Scripture and Jesus' body was not in the grave for only 24 hours to prove to me or you, Jesus was dead or not. Jesus was there 3 days and 3 nights, because in 30AD the 15th of Nisan was 3 days away from Sunday. They did not even seal the tomb until a day later on Friday. Why: Matthew 27:62-64

62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.

It was 3 days, because that is what those that week claim. Not because the church later decided to celebrate a certain Friday every year. Not even because a certain year is in perfect alignment with the sun and moon. Yes, God is certainly aware of how the stars work: Genesis 1:14.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

God created and knew exactly how all would work out to the exact time necessary. Picking a Friday is not necessary to God's plan. The church in choosing Friday was an act to remove all Hebrew recognition of the Passover. It also was a move to a more pagan acceptance of the equinoxes. Not going to question your motive. Nor is the need to pinpoint the time an attempt to bring the Law into the reasoning. But to totally divorce the Cross from the Passover is not recognizing God at work in the lives of whom God chooses.

I have a different perspective of Passion Week. On the 10th day of the month per Jewish Law, you have to choose the Passover Lamb and TAKE it from the Sheep and GUARD it. I believe this happened on the 10th day of the Month when Jesus was Apprehended (Taken from the sheep), and then GUARDED (imprisoned) until the 14th. I do not believe Jesus was out and about those 3 days and 3 nights. I believe He was imprisoned by Pilate awaiting His Crucifixion on the 14th. Now on the day of the 10th, I see that Jesus is presented along with Barrabas. Why is this in our Bible? - I believe it is showing us the TWO GOATS of the Day of Atonement (which also falls on the 10th of the month). Now one was to be sacrificed and the other to be led into the wilderness. Jesus is actually playing the role of both goats in reality. So first we have to say what does this scapegoat have upon it? It has upon the sins of the people. Now Christ is the Lord of the World. Upon Him is the sins of the whole World. When they choose Jesus to be crucified, at that point He is in the HEART OF THE EARTH (Jonah's sign). Where He will be for 3 days 3 nights up until the day He is Crucified. Jonah is also like as the scapegoat. Just as Jesus was chosen to die by the people, so was Jonah chosen by lots to be thrown off the ship. Now did Jonah have sins upon him? - Yes, for any watchman that fails to warn the people, God holds them accountable for the sins of those that didn't repent. So Jonah for 3 days and 3 nights had the sins of the Ninevites upon him. Jesus is not an author of confusion, if He wanted to say 3 days and 3 nights in the Tomb or in the earth - that would be less confusing than Heart of the Earth. The Heart is the term used to say where the spirit resides. So the Heart of the Earth full of its wickedness, is where the spirit of all men born of it resides. So I see both Jesus being 3 days and 3 nights in the Heart of the Earth and being raised on the 3rd day as two separate entities. The 3 days and 3 nights of the Sign of Jonah are BEFORE the Crucifixion. When Christ is crucified, He is dead for 2 days and Raised on the Third day. After all, Jesus returns in the Millennium. Therefore, if He was in the Tomb for 3 days then it would signify that the Church would have to wait for 3 days also. Instead of 2000 years. (A day representing a 1000 years).
 
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To understand what I'm saying you have to know that I'm not referring to modern Hebrew Calendar. I'm saying that Jesus was crucified on March 14th, 32 AD based on that Julian date. That day would be a Friday. Now your software might call it Adar II or just Adar. But I believe that was Nisan 14. In any case, I believe Jesus was crucified that day.years).

It is Adar II only for a leap year. Nisan is the name for the first month. In the Bible it is Abib. Same month. Adar is the last month of the year. That has never changed. A modern calendar has not moved Nisan into Adar. For Biblical purposes, Nisan 14 is always the first full moon of spring. Yes, sometimes Nisan is in March, and sometimes in April. In a leap year Adar II is March. Still does not answer why you use the last month instead of the first month.

You posted March 5. That is still 3 weeks from spring and the equinox. Nisan 14 is the first full moon after spring starts. Both the Lunar and Solar calendars have adjusted with a leap year, always. Perhaps the Jubilee was part of the process? After the Babylonian captivity the Greeks figured out the 19 year cycle that gives a leap year 7 times every 19 years. Since the Jews were hellenized, that came into play, but was not codified into Jewish thought until Miamonides. And Purim the celebration from Esther can only fall on such a leap year. The added month is placed prior to the last month. Thus on a leap year putting the last month where it belongs at the end of winter. So modern calendars are not that modern. They can still be calculated back to specific days although even the Julian calendar cannot go back past Julian.

I have a different perspective of Passion Week. On the 10th day of the month per Jewish Law, you have to choose the Passover Lamb and TAKE it from the Sheep and GUARD it. I believe this happened on the 10th day of the Month when Jesus was Apprehended (Taken from the sheep), and then GUARDED (imprisoned) until the 14th. I do not believe Jesus was out and about those 3 days and 3 nights. I believe He was imprisoned by Pilate awaiting His Crucifixion on the 14th. Now on the day of the 10th, I see that Jesus is presented along with Barrabas. Why is this in our Bible? - I believe it is showing us the TWO GOATS of the Day of Atonement (which also falls on the 10th of the month). Now one was to be sacrificed and the other to be led into the wilderness. Jesus is actually playing the role of both goats in reality. So first we have to say what does this scapegoat have upon it? It has upon the sins of the people. Now Christ is the Lord of the World. Upon Him is the sins of the whole World. When they choose Jesus to be crucified, at that point He is in the HEART OF THE EARTH (Jonah's sign). Where He will be for 3 days 3 nights up until the day He is Crucified. Jonah is also like as the scapegoat. Just as Jesus was chosen to die by the people, so was Jonah chosen by lots to be thrown off the ship. Now did Jonah have sins upon him? - Yes, for any watchman that fails to warn the people, God holds them accountable for the sins of those that didn't repent. So Jonah for 3 days and 3 nights had the sins of the Ninevites upon him. Jesus is not an author of confusion, if He wanted to say 3 days and 3 nights in the Tomb or in the earth - that would be less confusing than Heart of the Earth. The Heart is the term used to say where the spirit resides. So the Heart of the Earth full of its wickedness, is where the spirit of all men born of it resides. So I see both Jesus being 3 days and 3 nights in the Heart of the Earth and being raised on the 3rd day as two separate entities. The 3 days and 3 nights of the Sign of Jonah are BEFORE the Crucifixion. When Christ is crucified, He is dead for 2 days and Raised on the Third day. After all, Jesus returns in the Millennium. Therefore, if He was in the Tomb for 3 days then it would signify that the Church would have to wait for 3 days also. Instead of 2000 years. (A day representing a 1000 years).

Yet it was 3 days, because there is still a day after the church is removed at the Second Coming. The End is still 1000 years away. Why is the church considered a scapegoat? Besides, going to sheol and setting those souls free was a blink of an eye. The body did not need to be any where for any length of time. Obviously the body was taken off the Cross and placed in a Tomb and was expected to never rise again. Even the disciples did not expect a resurrection, even though it seems Jesus drilled that home many times.

I have no issue with your allegorical thought processes concerning the passion week. I still accept it was AD 30. I do not think those trying to match up the calendar figured out the birth nor death of Christ from Scripture. They used pagan and human understanding of the times. Jesus was not born in a first year nor was on the Cross in the 33rd year of current Calendar Julian nor Gregorian. At the time of Christ the Romans were still stuck on an 8 day cycle despite Julian's efforts to change time. Yes, his way did become the norm even if the Gregorian Calendar is a slightly different take on the format.

It is interesting that some think Creation was 5000+/- years before Christ. Although that is not found in biblical numbers in Scripture. Because Genesis only accounts from the fall. I think Adam lived in the Garden 30 years out of the 130 until Seth. I think Seth was born 100 years after sin entered the world. I think Cain and Abel were born probably 5 years and 10 years after Adam was placed in the Garden, 25 and 20 years before sin entered the world. Jesus lived 30 years, before He was baptized and obedient to God and was anointed as the Messiah. A mirror of time Adam was in the Garden before he disobeyed God. Adam was placed 4000 years into Eden from year 1. The Cross would be 4000 years from the day Adam disobeyed. 2000 years for the Nations includes 1500 years before the Flood, and 500 years until Abraham. Because of Ishmael Israel was 600 years postponed. Ishmael covered the first 600 years until Jericho. Then the rest of the 2000 years, 1400 years from Jericho until the Cross. Then we have had as the church 1991 years since the Cross. 5991 years since Adam brought sin into the world. I am probably too exact, but most of the dates square.

Genesis 2 and the first few verses indicates a Day of Adonai (Lord) in the generations and act of Creation. That Day of the Lord was 6, 24 hour days, evening and morning, and the 7th was a 1000 year rest between the 6 days of Creation, and the planting of the Garden of Eden. Not a separate Creation. Not two views of the same Creation. Although we do get a more detailed account of day 6, because God explains why He named him Adam. God rested while the sons of God multiplied on earth for 1000 years. Then God planted Eden and placed Adam in Eden. Adam named all the animals, and then God gave Adam his name. Later, God took Eve out of Adam. So God did not even take two sons of God and place them in the Garden. He only took one, and then took Eve out of Adam. This was 1000 years after day 6 and the Creation of mankind, the sons of God. That is my interpretation of Genesis 1 and 2. It is rightly dividing God's Word. It is not even my thought. It came from reading this:

"God blessed the seventh day and separated it as holy; because on that day God rested from all his work which he had created, so that it itself could produce."

The soon coming Millennium is the same format. No sin and no Satan. Creation has a finite shape. The length, depth, height, and breadth of God's Love. The breadth is 8000 years.
 
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It is Adar II only for a leap year. Nisan is the name for the first month. In the Bible it is Abib. Same month. Adar is the last month of the year. That has never changed. A modern calendar has not moved Nisan into Adar. For Biblical purposes, Nisan 14 is always the first full moon of spring. Yes, sometimes Nisan is in March, and sometimes in April. In a leap year Adar II is March. Still does not answer why you use the last month instead of the first month.

You posted March 5. That is still 3 weeks from spring and the equinox. Nisan 14 is the first full moon after spring starts. Both the Lunar and Solar calendars have adjusted with a leap year, always. Perhaps the Jubilee was part of the process? After the Babylonian captivity the Greeks figured out the 19 year cycle that gives a leap year 7 times every 19 years. Since the Jews were hellenized, that came into play, but was not codified into Jewish thought until Miamonides. And Purim the celebration from Esther can only fall on such a leap year. The added month is placed prior to the last month. Thus on a leap year putting the last month where it belongs at the end of winter. So modern calendars are not that modern. They can still be calculated back to specific days although even the Julian calendar cannot go back past Julian.



Yet it was 3 days, because there is still a day after the church is removed at the Second Coming. The End is still 1000 years away. Why is the church considered a scapegoat? Besides, going to sheol and setting those souls free was a blink of an eye. The body did not need to be any where for any length of time. Obviously the body was taken off the Cross and placed in a Tomb and was expected to never rise again. Even the disciples did not expect a resurrection, even though it seems Jesus drilled that home many times.

I have no issue with your allegorical thought processes concerning the passion week. I still accept it was AD 30. I do not think those trying to match up the calendar figured out the birth nor death of Christ from Scripture. They used pagan and human understanding of the times. Jesus was not born in a first year nor was on the Cross in the 33rd year of current Calendar Julian nor Gregorian. At the time of Christ the Romans were still stuck on an 8 day cycle despite Julian's efforts to change time. Yes, his way did become the norm even if the Gregorian Calendar is a slightly different take on the format.

It is interesting that some think Creation was 5000+/- years before Christ. Although that is not found in biblical numbers in Scripture. Because Genesis only accounts from the fall. I think Adam lived in the Garden 30 years out of the 130 until Seth. I think Seth was born 100 years after sin entered the world. I think Cain and Abel were born probably 5 years and 10 years after Adam was placed in the Garden, 25 and 20 years before sin entered the world. Jesus lived 30 years, before He was baptized and obedient to God and was anointed as the Messiah. A mirror of time Adam was in the Garden before he disobeyed God. Adam was placed 4000 years into Eden from year 1. The Cross would be 4000 years from the day Adam disobeyed. 2000 years for the Nations includes 1500 years before the Flood, and 500 years until Abraham. Because of Ishmael Israel was 600 years postponed. Ishmael covered the first 600 years until Jericho. Then the rest of the 2000 years, 1400 years from Jericho until the Cross. Then we have had as the church 1991 years since the Cross. 5991 years since Adam brought sin into the world. I am probably too exact, but most of the dates square.

Genesis 2 and the first few verses indicates a Day of Adonai (Lord) in the generations and act of Creation. That Day of the Lord was 6, 24 hour days, evening and morning, and the 7th was a 1000 year rest between the 6 days of Creation, and the planting of the Garden of Eden. Not a separate Creation. Not two views of the same Creation. Although we do get a more detailed account of day 6, because God explains why He named him Adam. God rested while the sons of God multiplied on earth for 1000 years. Then God planted Eden and placed Adam in Eden. Adam named all the animals, and then God gave Adam his name. Later, God took Eve out of Adam. So God did not even take two sons of God and place them in the Garden. He only took one, and then took Eve out of Adam. This was 1000 years after day 6 and the Creation of mankind, the sons of God. That is my interpretation of Genesis 1 and 2. It is rightly dividing God's Word. It is not even my thought. It came from reading this:

"God blessed the seventh day and separated it as holy; because on that day God rested from all his work which he had created, so that it itself could produce."

The soon coming Millennium is the same format. No sin and no Satan. Creation has a finite shape. The length, depth, height, and breadth of God's Love. The breadth is 8000 years.

I think the problem with 30 AD is that your not aligning with the fact that it was not Tiberius' 15th year.

Julius Africanus stated that the 16th year of Tiberius was the 2nd year of the 202nd Olympiad. See Fragment 16 of the following link:

CHURCH FATHERS: Extant Works (Julius Africanus)

So that clearly shows that you cannot use the co-regency of Tiberius as the start of the count to 15 years. It will show that the 15 years mentioned in:

Luk 3:1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,

The actual time of the 15th year must be counted from when the Senate gave Tiberius the empire: 17-18 September, AD 14.

Now we two points of reference. Let's intersect them:

201 * 4 + 2 = 806 (starting with 201 instead of 202 since Olympiads start at 1 and not 0) Their are 4 years in an olympiad and it was the 2nd year of the lympiad that was the 16th year of Tiberius

806 - 776 = 30
30 - 1 = 29 (there is no year 0 so we had to subtract 1)
Therefore, the 16h year of Tiberius would have been 29/30 AD. This means that the 28/29 year would be the 15th year of Tiberius.

Since Jesus ministry was approx 3.5 years then we have:

28/29 year 1
29/30 year 2
30/31 year 3
31/32 .5 = bring us to 32 AD.

So the Crucifixion was in 32

The Olympiads started in 776 BC and started with numbering from 1 and not 0. So the 202nd Olympiad 2nd year would put the 16th year of Tiberius at 29/30. Therefore, the 15th year would be 28/29 and 3.5 years later would put you at the Crucifixion in 32 AD.
 
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I think the problem with 30 AD is that your not aligning with the fact that it was not Tiberius' 15th year.

Julius Africanus stated that the 16th year of Tiberius was the 2nd year of the 202nd Olympiad. See Fragment 16 of the following link:

CHURCH FATHERS: Extant Works (Julius Africanus)

So that clearly shows that you cannot use the co-regency of Tiberius as the start of the count to 15 years. It will show that the 15 years mentioned in:

Luk 3:1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,

The actual time of the 15th year must be counted from when the Senate gave Tiberius the empire: 17-18 September, AD 14.

Now we two points of reference. Let's intersect them:

201 * 4 + 2 = 806 (starting with 201 instead of 202 since Olympiads start at 1 and not 0) Their are 4 years in an olympiad and it was the 2nd year of the lympiad that was the 16th year of Tiberius

806 - 776 = 30
30 - 1 = 29 (there is no year 0 so we had to subtract 1)
Therefore, the 16h year of Tiberius would have been 29/30 AD. This means that the 28/29 year would be the 15th year of Tiberius.

Since Jesus ministry was approx 3.5 years then we have:

28/29 year 1
29/30 year 2
30/31 year 3
31/32 .5 = bring us to 32 AD.

So the Crucifixion was in 32

The Olympiads started in 776 BC and started with numbering from 1 and not 0. So the 202nd Olympiad 2nd year would put the 16th year of Tiberius at 29/30. Therefore, the 15th year would be 28/29 and 3.5 years later would put you at the Crucifixion in 32 AD.
In context of the chapter, that could have been the year John was put in prison. It is not describing the time Jesus was baptized more than the time John was apprehended. John never stopped declaring Christ, at least not until after sitting in prison, and started to doubt. This chapter is looking back on the baptism of Jesus, not really defining the exact timing.

20 Added yet this above all, that he shut up John in prison.

21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

Is this declaring that Jesus was the very last one to be baptized, or was it just going back to the time when many were baptized, Jesus was one of many?

Was verse 19, just the point of the time referenced in verse 1?
 
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In context of the chapter, that could have been the year John was put in prison. It is not describing the time Jesus was baptized more than the time John was apprehended. John never stopped declaring Christ, at least not until after sitting in prison, and started to doubt. This chapter is looking back on the baptism of Jesus, not really defining the exact timing.

20 Added yet this above all, that he shut up John in prison.

21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

Is this declaring that Jesus was the very last one to be baptized, or was it just going back to the time when many were baptized, Jesus was one of many?

Was verse 19, just the point of the time referenced in verse 1?

I think the context is showing that it is spelling out the time when John is Baptizing because the focus is on the Baptism of Christ in this chapter. So in other words, I believe the time is relevant to when Jesus is being baptize which we know is in the start of His ministry here. But if someone believes in a 30 AD crucifixion then it makes sense that you would have to say that the year couldn't refer to when Jesus was baptized in light of what I reported earlier on the Olympiad date evidence relating to Tiberius. You would have to take that opening time setting and then say that it is a year or more removed from the following verses of where Jesus is baptized. Otherwise if the former data is accurate then there is no way there can be a 30 AD crucifixion.
 
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I think the context is showing that it is spelling out the time when John is Baptizing because the focus is on the Baptism of Christ in this chapter. So in other words, I believe the time is relevant to when Jesus is being baptize which we know is in the start of His ministry here. But if someone believes in a 30 AD crucifixion then it makes sense that you would have to say that the year couldn't refer to when Jesus was baptized in light of what I reported earlier on the Olympiad date evidence relating to Tiberius. You would have to take that opening time setting and then say that it is a year or more removed from the following verses of where Jesus is baptized. Otherwise if the former data is accurate then there is no way there can be a 30 AD crucifixion.
Some claim the 202 was from July 29 to July 33. The 2nd year would have been in 30AD. The 1st would have been in 29. The 15th year of Tiberius could have started in 28 or 29.
 
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Some claim the 202 was from July 29 to July 33. The 2nd year would have been in 30AD. The 1st would have been in 29. The 15th year of Tiberius could have started in 28 or 29.

Well you have to have confident in your findings. I feel confident that the 202nd Olympiad's 2nd year is pointing to 29/30.
 
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Well you have to have confident in your findings. I feel confident that the 202nd Olympiad's 2nd year is pointing to 29/30.
So you could say 32 or 33 for the Cross. Which is it? Since Luke 3 is placing John the Baptist in Prison that year, was Jesus on the Cross that year? I know you think this passage is supposed to be about Jesus being baptized, but 3 verses out of 38, and more about John the Baptist especially ending with John in prison, is all over the place for a time scale. Yes John ended with the genealogy of Jesus, but certainly this first verse is not confirming a date of Jesus' birth.

Once again, Luke mentions Herod twice.

19 But Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias his brother Philip's wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done,

20 Added yet this above all, that he shut up John in prison.


If the time frame was set to Herod being tetrarch, then putting John in prison is a plausible reason for the date. Had Luke been precise and pointed out the start and end date of John's ministry, or even put more emphasis on the ministry of Jesus, it would have been of more help. I mean, any of the Gospel writers could have dated the exact day of the Crucifixion, No?
 
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So you could say 32 or 33 for the Cross. Which is it? Since Luke 3 is placing John the Baptist in Prison that year, was Jesus on the Cross that year? I know you think this passage is supposed to be about Jesus being baptized, but 3 verses out of 38, and more about John the Baptist especially ending with John in prison, is all over the place for a time scale. Yes John ended with the genealogy of Jesus, but certainly this first verse is not confirming a date of Jesus' birth.

Once again, Luke mentions Herod twice.

19 But Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias his brother Philip's wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done,

20 Added yet this above all, that he shut up John in prison.


If the time frame was set to Herod being tetrarch, then putting John in prison is a plausible reason for the date. Had Luke been precise and pointed out the start and end date of John's ministry, or even put more emphasis on the ministry of Jesus, it would have been of more help. I mean, any of the Gospel writers could have dated the exact day of the Crucifixion, No?

Again, I believe the context speaks to me that the dating is setting up to give us the understanding of when Jesus is being baptized. If you read it differently, then you should go where that leads you.

Since we already know per Africanus that the 2nd year of the 202nd Olympiad is the 16th year of Tiberius then the 15th year can be assumed to be in the 1st year. Since Olympiads start with Olympiad 1 and not 0 we can can knock back our Olympiad to 201. And remember their is no year 0.

So for the math again:

201 * 4 = 804
804 + 1 (to point to the 15th year of Tiberius) = 805
805 - 776 = 29
29 - 1 (because there is no year 0 which means we went back 1 too far) = 28 AD

So the 15th year of Tiberius is 28/29 AD.
 
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If one believes in a year 30 crucifixion then that means they also would need to believe in a year 26 beginning of the 15th year of Tiberius (assuming they believe in a Sept to Sept 26/27 year).

This is because Jesus was likely born on or around the Feast of Weeks. He also only experienced 3 passovers during His ministry (the last of which is the Crucifixion).
 
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