JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

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Yes, it is fully in line with Christ's teaching to give the biblical reasons why I didn't fully agree with what you had said.

However, you had also asked me to go through post 1890 section by section.

So what I'm asking is, do you want me to leave off responding to post 1890 for a time and instead start going through post 1894?

I was clear as I can be about what I am hoping for. Obviously Not going to get it here.

Time to move on.
 
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I was clear as I can be about what I am hoping for. Obviously Not going to get it here.

Time to move on.
I was asking which post do you wanted me to respond to, 1890 or 1894.

Did I misunderstand and you wanted something else?

But if you want to go, then
bye
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Peace be with you!
 
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Hi LoveGodsWord, Good to hear from you again! Did you want to respond to posts 1806 and 1808? Or would you like me to respond to your most recent post here, and go through it section by section?

Hello Leaf, nice to see you.

You posts 1806 and 1808 do not address my earlier post to you in post # 1704 linked. If you read the linked post and understood what it says you would see you already have the answer to your questions and response to your posts in 1806 and 1808 as everything I am about to say here has already been said in post # 1704 linked and is why I did not respond to them. As already shown in in post # 1704 linked in Matthew 5:17 (responding to your posts in 1806 and 1808) Jesus is talking about his role in fulfilling all the law and the prophets that pointed to him as the promised Messiah and Saviour of the world as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world (John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10), including his perfect, sinless obedience to Gods' 10 commandments.

The rest of the chapter however from Matthew 5:18-28 is talking specifically about God's 10 commandments (murder and adultery) beginning in the heart and that unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and the Pharisees we will in no wise enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. You have yet to address what was posted in post # 1704 linked the same as you have not addressed the more recent post provided to you in post # 1939 linked. I would like you to tell me what you disagree with in post # 1704 linked if you disagree with anything in it as well as provide a detailed response to both posts (including post # 1939 linked for which I am still waiting). I have yet to receive this from you in our discussions so far. Of course you do not have to if you do not want to. Perhaps it is something at the very least you can pray about.

May God bless you as you seek Him through his Word.
 
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I was asking which post do you wanted me to respond to, 1890 or 1894.

Did I misunderstand and you wanted something else?

But if you want to go, then
bye
and
Peace be with you!

I don't want to go, I want to have an honest discussion. I thought you did as well.

But it seems You are playing games here. Talking in incoherent circles. It seems like an obvious ploy to keep from engaging in the honest unbiased examination of scriptures which may bring your religious doctrines and traditions into question. Sort of like "Am I my brothers keeper". Very popular tactic of religious men through out the history of man.

Now i don't want to assume too much here because I don't know your mental or physical capacity. You may only be 10 years old, or maybe have some other issues and therefore are incapable of understanding questions, or examining scriptures. So it may not be intentional. But one thing is for sure, i see this "talking in circles" in most all your posts to others as well.

I thought you would understand the following when I posted it.

"I was hoping maybe you might actually engage in an honest and unbiased manner, the Scriptures I posted, and back up your assertion that they don't support the seemingly obvious Biblical truth, that God had the Law and Prophets written for "our admonition", that is, New Covenant Believers, "upon whom the ends of the world are come".

Since you don't believe this to be true, wouldn't it be in line with the Christ's instructions regarding how to treat your neighbor, to give the Biblical reason for your unbelief?

I mean, to what benefit is it for others, to tell someone they are wrong, and not give the reasons why?"

And even though you SAID you agree with the last part, you are still not giving me your reason for no believing what it seems both Paul and Peter are saying.

So because I believed you when you said "I'm happy to respond to all of your points and questions one at a time."

And in the hopes of making my question absolutely understandable, let me ask it again in more detail.

Please disregard all of the other posts, Scriptures and questions you ignored,"AT THIS TIME", we can address them later, should the conversation continue.

What I have been asking for, and continue to ask for, is the reason why you said you disagreed with the following post.

That is a safe answer I suppose. For me, it seems the Scriptures answer this question in more detail, and I think it is an important foundational truth to know and understand.

Peter really explains it nicely.

1 Pet. 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Of course, I should be obvious that Peter is speaking about "New Covenant Believers" here. He is saying that the things which were said and written in the Law and Prophets, regarding the "Salvation of our Souls", were specifically written and said, NOT FOR THEM, BUT for us, that is, New Covenant Believers.

So is this just an anomaly, am I understanding Peter wrong here? Are there others who also believe this Gospel Message?

1 Cor. 9:7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?

8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?

9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

Again, Paul is saying that this LAW of Moses was written for "OUR", that is, New Covenant Believers, Sake's no doubt. Confirming Peter's Gospel Message.

1 Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

So again, Paul is telling us that the Law and Prophets were written for New Covenant Believers as examples of what not to do.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Again, the things that happened to those in the Law and Prophets, happened to them "for examples" SPECIFICALLY for the admonition New Covenant Believers.

And Paul is even warning those New Covenant Believers who "Think" they are saved, to take HEED of these Examples God had written, lest we are also "overthrown in the wilderness". This is also part of the Gospel Message Paul brought to the New Covenant Believers.

Rom. 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

I know you are on a phone, so I won't post the many others scriptures which teach this Gospel Message. But just wanted to show that according to the Scriptures, God had the Law and Prophets written for New Covenant Believers.

Once this truth is accepted, and a pillar of the foundation of our faith, the Bible starts to flow together as a river of living water.

Are you and I in agreement on these things?

To which you responded "No, I do not fully agree with what you wrote in that post."

So then, in the interest of following the Christ's teaching on how to engage with one another, in truth and honesty, please fulfill for me, what you promised to fulfill, which is giving me the reason why you think I'm in error regarding the above post.

 
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Hello LoveGodsWord,
Thanks for the nice message.

Hello Leaf, nice to see you.

You posts 1806 and 1808 do not address my earlier post to you in post # 1704 linked. If you read the linked post and understood what it says you would see you already have the answer to your questions and response to your posts in 1806 and 1808 as everything I am about to say here has already been said in post # 1704 linked and is why I did not respond to them. As already shown in in post # 1704 linked in Matthew 5:17 (responding to your posts in 1806 and 1808) Jesus is talking about his role in fulfilling all the law and the prophets that pointed to him as the promised Messiah and Saviour of the world as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world (John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10), including his perfect, sinless obedience to Gods' 10 commandments.

The rest of the chapter however from Matthew 5:18-28 is talking specifically about God's 10 commandments (murder and adultery) beginning in the heart and that unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and the Pharisees we will in no wise enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. You have yet to address what was posted in post # 1704 linked the same as you have not addressed the more recent post provided to you in post # 1939 linked. I would like you to tell me what you disagree with in post # 1704 linked if you disagree with anything in it as well as provide a detailed response to both posts (including post # 1939 linked for which I am still waiting). I have yet to receive this from you in our discussions so far. Of course you do not have to if you do not want to. Perhaps it is something at the very least you can pray about.

May God bless you as you seek Him through his Word.

I think you have provided a key piece of information in the above post, and that is that when Jesus says he didn't come to destroy the law and the prophets, he is talking about the entire law.

Then returning to post 1704
Your response here...

Thanks Leaf, Yes this answers my question. Thanks for being honest. Jesus does not teach anywhere in the bible that he fulfilled Gods' law so that we no longer have to. This teaching is against the very Words of Jesus in Matthew 5 and the opposite of what Jesus and all the Apostles in the new covenant taught and does not agree with the scriptures at all and the purpose of Gods' law in the new covenant.

What Jesus actually said was "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets I have not come to destroy the law or the prophets I have not come to destroy but to fulfill them. Jesus goes on to say not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law till Heaven and earth pass away and all be fulfilled and that whosoever breaks one of the least of these commandments shall be called the least in God's Kingdom and that unless our righteousness exceeds that of the external appearance of the Scribes and the Pharisees we shall in no wise enter into Gods' kingdom. - Matthew 5:17-20.

Jesus fulfilled and obeyed all the law and the prophets. He obeyed Gods' 10 commandments and the "shadow laws" for remission of sins and sin offerings, the Levitical Priesthood the earthly Sanctuary all pointed to Jesus as Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world once for all (John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10), and his role in the new covenant as our great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man of which the earthly was only a copy based on better promises of the new covenant *Hebrews 8:1-6. Jesus did not "fulfill" these laws like many teach today so that we do not have to. That is a false teaching and a denial of the very words of Jesus in Matthew 5:17-20 and Matthew 5 where Jesus magnifies the requirements of Gods' 10 commandments to our very thoughts and feelings in Matthew 5:21-22 and Matthew 5:27-28.

Jesus came to magnify God’s 10 commandment from the inside out quoting Matthew 5:17-32 (applying adultery and murder to our thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *Isaiah 42:21. This is to show that unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. Evil (moral wrong doing) begins in the heart. Breaking God's 10 commandments from the heart according to Jesus is what defiles a man in Matthew 15:18-19. Jesus is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *Matthew 23:27-28.

Jesus magnified the law to the inside out. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Savior and that sin originates in the heart (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have God’s new covenant promise to of a new heart to love and why we need to be born again by faith in God's Word for salvation to be free from sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 John 3:3-10.

This is leading to the new covenant promise of a new heart to love *Hebrews 8:10-12; John 5:42; 1 John 5:17-19; 1 John 4:16; 1 John 5:3; 1 John 4:8.

Without Jesus we do not have the love of God in us *John 5:42. We need to be born of God to love *1 John 4:7 and partake of the new covenant promise. This is why Jesus teaches in *John 3:3-7 that unless we are made clean from the inside out and born again to love we cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. This is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5:20 when discussing the Scribes and the Pharisees teaching the application of God's law from the inside out and applying God’s 10 commandments to our very thoughts.

Whosoever is born of god to love in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:10-12 does not commit sin according to the scriptures in 1 John 3:9; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 3:31; Matthew 22:36-40. This is the good news of the gospel in the new covenant. We have a Savior to save us from sin (not in sin) but we have to be made new to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4.

1 John 3:3-10 is talking about all those who are born again to love and it is love that fulfills God's law in all those who believe and follow god's word in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10. This results in a people that keep God’s law (10 commandments) from the inside out. *Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10; Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31; Hebrews 8:10-12. Unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7.

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CONCLUSION: Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: FEAR GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN. God’s LAW (10 commandments) are not abolished they are fulfilled and established in the life of a believer as they believe God’s Word and abide in Christ and are born again to walk in God’s Spirit *1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4.

Hope this is helpful
specifically this part of 1704
Jesus did not "fulfill" these laws like many teach today so that we do not have to.
So the antecedent of "these laws" appears to be the entire law.

If no part of the entire law has passed away, then we must do the entire law, from The Ten commandments to the animal sacrifices.

But I know from other things you wrote that you don't actually think that. So what are you saying, then?
 
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I don't want to go, I want to have an honest discussion. I thought you did as well.

But it seems You are playing games here. Talking in incoherent circles. It seems like an obvious ploy to keep from engaging in the honest unbiased examination of scriptures which may bring your religious doctrines and traditions into question. Sort of like "Am I my brothers keeper". Very popular tactic of religious men through out the history of man.

Now i don't want to assume too much here because I don't know your mental or physical capacity. You may only be 10 years old, or maybe have some other issues and therefore are incapable of understanding questions, or examining scriptures. So it may not be intentional. But one thing is for sure, i see this "talking in circles" in most all your posts to others as well.

I thought you would understand the following when I posted it.

"I was hoping maybe you might actually engage in an honest and unbiased manner, the Scriptures I posted, and back up your assertion that they don't support the seemingly obvious Biblical truth, that God had the Law and Prophets written for "our admonition", that is, New Covenant Believers, "upon whom the ends of the world are come".

Since you don't believe this to be true, wouldn't it be in line with the Christ's instructions regarding how to treat your neighbor, to give the Biblical reason for your unbelief?

I mean, to what benefit is it for others, to tell someone they are wrong, and not give the reasons why?"

And even though you SAID you agree with the last part, you are still not giving me your reason for no believing what it seems both Paul and Peter are saying.

So because I believed you when you said "I'm happy to respond to all of your points and questions one at a time."

And in the hopes of making my question absolutely understandable, let me ask it again in more detail.

Please disregard all of the other posts, Scriptures and questions you ignored,"AT THIS TIME", we can address them later, should the conversation continue.

What I have been asking for, and continue to ask for, is the reason why you said you disagreed with the following post.



To which you responded "No, I do not fully agree with what you wrote in that post."

So then, in the interest of following the Christ's teaching on how to engage with one another, in truth and honesty, please fulfill for me, what you promised to fulfill, which is giving me the reason why you think I'm in error regarding the above post.
This is what I was looking for
Please disregard all of the other posts, Scriptures and questions you ignored,"AT THIS TIME", we can address them later, should the conversation continue.
As I alluded to earlier, you can post at a much higher rate than I can, so I have to perform a kind of triage.

What I have been asking for, and continue to ask for, is the reason why you said you disagreed with the following post.
Right, so returning to post 1894, the earlier question was
"According to your understanding of the Scriptures, who did God have the Law and Prophets written for?"
And my answer was
I think God had the law and the prophets written for all humanity, though of course only part of humanity would be aware of those writings at any particular time.
I believe you replied by quoting 1 Peter 1:9-16.

The key phrase seems to be in verse 12, "unto us".

It doesn't say "unto us only". So while we maybe the primary target of that ministry, we wouldn't necessarily be the only target.
 
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If no part of the entire law has passed away, then we must do the entire law, from The Ten commandments to the animal sacrifices.

According to the Torah, how should animal sacrifices be performed in absence of a functioning Priesthood, outside of the land?

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So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

I agree that Yah's people should ignore the judgement of Gnostics, as we remain obedient to his word.

Colossians 2:16
 
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This is what I was looking for

As I alluded to earlier, you can post at a much higher rate than I can, so I have to perform a kind of triage.


Right, so returning to post 1894, the earlier question was

And my answer was

I believe you replied by quoting 1 Peter 1:9-16.

The key phrase seems to be in verse 12, "unto us".

It doesn't say "unto us only". So while we maybe the primary target of that ministry, we wouldn't necessarily be the only target.

"Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things

It seems pretty straight forward. It was revealed, not to them in the OT, but unto "US", in new covenant times. Can you provide another "target" that you believe Peter was speaking to here?

Do you believe "unto us" in this context, or "Our Admonition" in Paul's teaching, included satan or false preachers?

In other words, when Paul said "our" and Peter said "us", do you believe they were speaking to all humanity, or were they representing the Body of Christ?
 
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The law of Moses which includes the Sabbath has been done away, Colossians 2:14-17

Let's back up to verse 8.

(CLV) Col 2:8
Beware that no one shall be despoiling you through philosophy and empty seduction, in accord with human tradition, in accord with the elements of the world, and not in accord with Christ,

None of what is bolded has anything to do with following Torah.

You can get a better understanding of the scripture here:

Colossians 2:16

Shaul didn't fail the Deuteronomy 13 test.

Would YHWH Send a Prophet who would Contradict Moses?
 
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Well, Passover comes around every year. Looking at Exodus 12, it looks like it marks the beginning of a new calendar year.

You're mistaken. The new Year always precedes Passover, according to scripture.

So that would be a civil law.

Where does YHWH define "civil law?"

Then it talks about not eating yeast for a week. That would be a health guideline.

How is abstaining from yeast for a week a health guideline?

Abstaining from fornication is a health guideline; but it has deep spiritual implications too.
 
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Are you a Seventh Day Adventist? I am a christian. (Post #1950)

I am not answering your question based on this forums guidelines.

Is the law of God and the law of Moses one in the same?

I'll answer that for you.
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  • We believe the word of God is the truth.
 
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Keep in mind folks that there are genuine Christians and there are “nominal” Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers found mixed together on various Christian forum sites. Man cannot infallibly judge everyone’s heart, but God can.
 
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Do you keep all of the law under the old covenant?

Is this a trick question? No one can keep all of the law.

Even Messiah couldn't keep all of the law; as he wasn't a Levitical Priest, nor a woman.

I keep YHWH's instructions, as they are applicable, and as our heavenly Father gives me the strength to submit to his will.

(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.
 
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I keep YHWH's instructions as they applicable, and as our heavenly Father gives me the strength to submit to his will

Hebrews 8:6-9
But now hath He obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

For if the first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

For finding fault with them, He saith, Behold the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL and WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH:

NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; because they continued not in My covenant and regarded them not, saith the Lord.

God made a covenant which does not contain the command to keep the Sabbath day. Verse 9 is a quote from the weeping prophet Jeremiah,
Jeremiah 31:31-32
Behold the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY THAT I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO BRING THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; Which My covenant they brake although I was an husband unto them saith the Lord

There is a new covenant, not jeiwish christians nor gentile christians are commanded to keep the Sabbath,

Hebrews 8:13
In that He saith, A new covenant, He hath made the first old. Now that WHICH DECAYETH AND WAXED OLD IS READY TO VANISH AWAY.


Christian's are dead to the law of Sabbath keeping

Romans 7:1-6
Know ye not brethren,for I speak to them that know the law, how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

For the woman which hath a husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband is dead , she is LOOSED from the law of her husband.

So then if, while her husband liveth she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from the law of her husband.

Wherefore my brethren , ye also are become DEAD TO THE LAW BY THE BODY OF CHRIST; that ye should be married to another, even to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bring fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto DEATH.


BUT NOW WE ARE DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, THAT BEING DEAD WHEREIN WE WERE HELD; THAT WE SHOULD SERVE IN NEWNESS OF SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER.

The apostle Paul taught we cannot be under two laws at the same time.

No more than a women could be married to two men at the same time.

Which law then are we now delivered?

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for i had not know lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Thou shalt not covet is in the Ten commandments. This is the law Paul has said we are delivered from.

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances(law of Moses) that WAS AGAINST US, which was contrary to us, AND TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY, NAILING IT TO HIS CROSS.


Keeping any of the old covenant makes you guilty of it all.
The old law is bondage, slavery, Christ will profit you nothing, Galatians 5:1-5














 
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