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If we are to follow Bible prophesy and look at the timeline of events to come, what comes next? What are we looking for? We are hearing of wars and earthquakes and famine and plagues, so now what? Is the stage set for the antichrist?



* Interesting- before you answer, skim through all the different predictions from everyone - didn't expect them to be so different!
 
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Hi jaxxi,

I believe that the next big prophecy that we will likely be aware of being fulfilled is the rise of the Anti-christ. Unfortunately, the problem with the fulfillment of prophecies that foretell of troublesome times can be hard to pin down. I mean, things have been getting bad, but how bad can they get?

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As a Futurist, I believe the next event to happen is the first rider of the apocalypse to emerge on the world scene. Our preacher a couple weeks ago said he thinks the antichrist is now alive on earth and Pastor Rusty has never speculated in the 30 years I've known him to be in the end times, but he just recently suggested we are, and I believe him. Revelation was not fulfilled in AD70 with the fall of Israel, but is coming soon and the great commission was begun before Jesus ascended to heaven. Why would Christians still be waiting when the Lord himself asked us to start 2000 years ago with the great commission?

Matthew 28:16-19

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As best I can discern, this first rider is the antichrist.
 
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If we are to follow Bible prophesy and look at the timeline of events to come, what comes next? What are we looking for? We are hearing of wars and earthquakes and famine and plagues, so now what? Is the stage set for the antichrist?
The next event to watch for is the EU and the ten leaders coming to power and the little horn person over them.
 
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I disagree with all of the above.
Revelation gives us the correct sequence of the end time events.
We are now up to Revelation 6:12, the Sixth Seal world changer.
Proved by Revelation 6:9-11, where all the martyrs since Stephen and still being added to today.

The Sixth Seal will be the sudden and shocking disaster mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 5:3, it will be triggered by an attempt to destroy Israel with nukes, as graphically described in Psalms 83, Psalms 7:12-16 and in over 100 other prophesies.
It will commence all the end times events and set the scene for the rise to power of the Anti-Christ.
 
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If we are to follow Bible prophesy and look at the timeline of events to come, what comes next? What are we looking for? We are hearing of wars and earthquakes and famine and plagues, so now what? Is the stage set for the antichrist?

The first rule of prophecy: No prophecy shall require me to lift a finger to save myself.
The second rule of prophecy: What's worse than not helping? Helping.

I'm looking for war with Israel. And by war I mean nuclear war - Isaiah 17. This rolls into Isaiah 18 which tells the whole world to pay attention. Why? Because a powerful friend of Israel is about to receive retaliation for Isaiah 17.

Isaiah 18:3 All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye.
 
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As a Futurist, I believe the next event to happen is the first rider of the apocalypse to emerge on the world scene. Our preacher a couple weeks ago said he thinks the antichrist is now alive on earth and Pastor Rusty has never speculated in the 30 years I've known him to be in the end times, but he just recently suggested we are, and I believe him. Revelation was not fulfilled in AD70 with the fall of Israel, but is coming soon and the great commission was begun before Jesus ascended to heaven. Why would Christians still be waiting when the Lord himself asked us to start 2000 years ago with the great commission?

Matthew 28:16-19

Engage in the Great Commission- Ergatas

As best I can discern, this first rider is the antichrist.

Hi Jeffwhosoever,

Just another possibility to mull over. As I read the Revelation and the chronology that is unfolded with its account, I'm rather inclined to believe that the four horsemen have long been roaming the earth.

We begin in chapter 4, after the seven letters that Jesus has John write to the seven churches, have been written describing the condition of the beginning churches started by Paul and the first apostles. The letters detail some good and some bad issues within these new churches, but the letters obviously aren't about the churches at the end of the age, because they allow for time to change. Many believe these letters were written for the churches today, but I believe the fact that they are very specific and only deal with the area and cities where early churches were started, that they actually were intended for those specific early churches. However, yes, fellowships today are still making a lot of those same mistakes and so I can certainly see why some would think that.

So, in chapter 4 we read that John hears a voice like a trumpet that says to him, And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” Then John writes for us a description of what he sees all around him as he stands in heaven. This pretty much completes what chapter 4 is about.

In chapter 5, we read that John begins to weep because a search is going on throughout all of creation for one who is sinless before God and, therefore, worthy to open a scroll that John sees in the hand of the Mighty One. However, the search comes to an end with our attention being drawn to one who looks like a lamb who has been slain and it is explained that this is the one, who through the prophecies of the Scriptures is Jesus. The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David has triumphed, the angel tells John.

This picture of Jesus would have been how he was seen after the crucifixion. So, John is seeing Jesus in his crucified condition. However, the Scriptures, even in the beginning of the Revelation, show us that Jesus is well and good when John first began this vision. In chapter one, John sees Jesus like this:

I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance. When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

This is clearly Jesus speaking the underlined words. He is the only one who was ever once dead, but rose to eternal life. So, it would seem that in chapter 5, John has gone back in time to a time when Jesus looked as if he had been slain. Then we read of the scroll and the seals and that Jesus is now, after having proved his righteousness, able to open the scroll by removing each seal.

So in chapter 6, Jesus begins and pulls off the first seal. That first seal reveals a rider on a white horse, holding a bow, who is given a crown and rides forth to conquer. Now, and I see that you subscribe to this understanding, some believe that this horsemen is the Anti-christ of the last days who works to bring suffering to the people of God and to rob God of His earthly inheritance. I contend that he is not that one. I believe that this describes the going forth of the gospel of salvation through faith in Jesus. That he was released shortly after Jesus was crucified and that the purpose and journey of this horsemen is to spread the gospel all across the globe, conquering the hearts of men.

The release of these horsemen is not something that we sit today waiting to be released upon the earth, but have rather long been released upon the earth. They are today working the feats for which they were sent, and have been since shortly after Jesus' resurrection.

Then we see a second horseman released and he goes forth bent on taking peace from the earth and to make people kill one another. Now, I think it pretty clear that peace on the earth has been a real struggle and people have been killing one another by the boatloads ever since the world began to expand from the days of Jesus. This horseman has also been riding to and fro upon the earth since about the time the gospel was released upon the earth. And, it has gotten progressively worse as he continues his journey. We are living, and have been living in the days of this horseman and his assigned work.

Then we see a third horseman released. He is holding a set of scales and John hears a voice saying, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!” This describes the economic struggles that we make for ourselves because of our greed and lust for stuff. He has been riding around since early on creating the struggles for people in their work. The hardness with which we have to work in order to meet our consumer driven society.

Finally, we come to the fourth horseman and his purpose is to spread famine and disease and murder and war all over the earth. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth. So, as I understand the passage of history since Jesus' resurrection, this horseman holds responsibility for all the many, many plagues of sickness and disease that have come upon people over the passage of the centuries. The many, many wars and the sad and deadly famines and finally those killed by animals. These things have happened for the many, many centuries that have passed since Jesus ascension.

So, just consider that these horseman do not stand waiting in heaven today to be released at some later date as a part of the tribulation of the Anti-christ, but they have long been released and have been doing their assigned tasks for quite a long time now. The gospel has gone out into the world and is still, to this day conquering the hearts of people. Our peace has been under attack for many, many centuries and we have been killing one another throughout these centuries and it has gotten progressively worse. Our economic struggles also continue to get worse and worse as we grow in our lust for stuff. Finally, wars, famine and plague have been fairly constant parts of life for a long time now.

The first four seals have long been opened and Jesus continues to rip the seals from the scroll. The sixth seal is opened and we see under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. However, they are told to wait until the fullness of their like minded brothers are brought in. So this is not something happening in the last days, but something ongoing from the going forth of the gospel. Now, I contend that this is not a reference to all believers, but only to those who have been slain for keeping the word of God and their steadfast testimony. The first apostles, the Justin Martyr type, and the John Wycliffs, and William Tyndales. After all, this is what the Scriptures declare, that these souls were those who had been slain because of their great faith. Not those who just died believing in the hope of Jesus.

Finally, we come to the sixth seal. Now, I'm not sure that Jesus has opened that one yet. There doesn't seem to be any historical record of such things as described happening after the opening of the sixth seal in the Scriptures.

So, just an understanding worthy, I believe, of consideration. As with all such things, I believe that any one who would truly seek the knowledge and wisdom of the Scriptures, to do so with the help of the Holy Spirit. The one that Jesus declared to us would lead us into all truth.

God bless,
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If we are to follow Bible prophesy and look at the timeline of events to come, what comes next? What are we looking for? We are hearing of wars and earthquakes and famine and plagues, so now what? Is the stage set for the antichrist?

The abomination of desolation is next, then the false christs & false prophets arise in conjunction with it.

15So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18And let no one in the field return for his cloak. 19How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers!

20Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath.

21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short. 23At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible. 25See, I have told you in advance.
The abomination (Trumpets 1-4 & 5) (imo, July 4, 2021, [24 Tammuz, 5781] breaking the covenant in the middle of 70 '7's: 490/2 = 245. July 4, 1776 + 245 = July 4, 2021 (Daniel 9:24-27).

then 5 months later (Revelation 9:5) at the winter, Sabbath, then great tribulation [24 Kislev, 5782] of Haggai 2:15-23) (23 Kislev, 5782 is that Sabbath/ Saturday when Jews cannot flee bc of religious travel restrictions). Add 1260 days to get to dusk May 10, 2025 + 3.5 days to lie dead = May 14, 2025, the 77th anniversary of Jerusalem's desolations/ creation of Israel (May 14, 1948). Dan 9:27 has multiple meanings, one of which is the 70th year (Daniel 9:2) to the 77th year (with 24 Kislev, 5782 being the 'middle' of these years).

Add 1150 days (Daniel 8:13-14) to 24 Kislev, 5782 and you get Jan 20, 2025 which is the next US Presidential Inauguration.
 
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Hi Matt,

The first rule of prophecy: No prophecy shall require me to lift a finger to save myself.
The second rule of prophecy: What's worse than not helping? Helping.

Really? Those are rules of prophesy? I don't get it. Why exactly is helping worse than not helping?

God bless,
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Hi Matt,



Really? Those are rules of prophesy? I don't get it. Why exactly is helping worse than not helping?

God bless,
Ted

Bizarre, no?

Let's say a prophecy is not all that helpful. People will mostly ignore it. But let's say there is a prophecy that suggests people are in danger. Well, they hate it. They don't want to lift a finger to save themselves.
 
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Bizarre, no?

Let's say a prophecy is not all that helpful. People will mostly ignore it. But let's say there is a prophecy that suggests people are in danger. Well, they hate it. They don't want to lift a finger to save themselves.

Hi Matt,

I think some definition of terms is in order here. 'People'...is that referring to the people of the world overall? Or, is it referring to born again believers?

If it's the world overall, then I agree that not only do such people ignore prophecies that aren't helpful, but pretty much ignore prophecy altogether. I mean let's face it, if someone is not a believer, then they don't see the prophecies found in the Scriptures as prophetic. They pretty much believe that any prophecy that does seem to be somewhat accurate in its foretelling as likely added in to the Scriptures after the fact. They, first of all, don't see the Scriptures as some revelation from a Creator God, but rather just a group of particular writings of particular people and that the Scriptures have been changed dozens or hundreds of times as they came up through the ages.

If, on the other hand you are actually referring to born again believers, then I'd have to ask for evidence that supports some claim that born again believers ignore prophecies that they find are not helpful. Quite frankly, I can't think of any prophecies of God that a born again believer would not think to be helpful, either to us today or to the generations that have gone before, for whom the prophecy may have foretold of something soon to pass in their day.

As far as prophecies that suggest people are in danger? Well yes, the 'people' of the world, while I'm not sure that 'hate' is the right word, certainly don't put any merit in it and because they don't believe in the one true and living God, why would they even think to imagine that they need to lift a finger to save themselves.

Personally, I don't find such behavior bizarre. It's actually been the regular practice and accepted behavior of unbelievers since the days that Paul and the first apostles began spreading the gospel. Unbelievers have always pooh-poohed the idea that there is some God who knows and controls the future. Bizarre, to me, generally infers something happening that is out of the ordinary.

God bless,
Ted
 
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Hi again Matt,

Sorry, I misread the 'bizarre' part. I see that you were redefining my comment as making some claim that your understanding that started this discussion was bizarre. Yes, I do believe what you have posted:
The first rule of prophecy: No prophecy shall require me to lift a finger to save myself.
The second rule of prophecy: What's worse than not helping? Helping.
Is bizarre. It sounds like something you may have heard someone say and thought to yourself, "Gee that sounds like such a neat comment tripping off the tongue." However, I don't agree that those are any rules, no matter how they are enumerated, that are seen as 'rules of prophecy'. Certainly nothing I've ever read anyone who studies the prophetic writings of the Scriptures say about them.

God bless,
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My hope for the next event is the rapture. Barring that, in watching world events, I expect Ezekiel 38.

I sure hope you are right! Living through even the first half of tribulation, to say nothing of the second half during the great wrath of God being poured out, is the most terrifying thing the world will ever experience and will make World War 2 seem trivial.

Come, Lord Jesus!
 
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As a Futurist, I believe the next event to happen is the first rider of the apocalypse to emerge on the world scene. Our preacher a couple weeks ago said he thinks the antichrist is now alive on earth and Pastor Rusty has never speculated in the 30 years I've known him to be in the end times, but he just recently suggested we are, and I believe him. Revelation was not fulfilled in AD70 with the fall of Israel, but is coming soon and the great commission was begun before Jesus ascended to heaven. Why would Christians still be waiting when the Lord himself asked us to start 2000 years ago with the great commission?

Matthew 28:16-19

Engage in the Great Commission- Ergatas

As best I can discern, this first rider is the antichrist.
How would we know the 1st Seal was opened ? Seems to me the 1st Rider is setting the stage. Probably is the rise of the AC, but it doesn't say that. What is needed for the 1st Seal to be complete ?

The only "sign" Jesus told us to act on was the AOD, to flee Judea when it was seen.

I think the Seals could be opened without much fanfare or notice, until the 4th Seal. The 4th Seal describes the freedom to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth. This IMO results in the 5th Seal martyrs.

Note most translations ( exception the NIV) say "with sword" "with famine" and "with pestilence" "and by the Beast of the earth" The word "by" is often translated "under the authority of"

I think we could be very close. Keep Watch !!!
 
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Our Future is Revealed to us:
It is obvious to anyone who looks at the situation in the Middle East, that there is nothing man can do that will resolve the critical issues there.

God will use people’s actions and His creation to achieve His purposes, as in the past, so according to Bible prophesy: at the point of attack onto Israel, God will intervene with an explosion of the suns surface, Isaiah 30:26, Psalms 50:1-3, that will affect all the world, but in particular all the area of the holy Land. Deuteronomy 32:43

It is clear, from all the prophesied graphic descriptions: that this will be a terrible devastation by fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis and the result will virtually depopulate the entire Middle East. Ezekiel 30:2-5, Jeremiah 10:18

This event is the great and terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 63:1-6, Isaiah 66:15-16, Zephaniah 1: 14-18 & 3:8, Amos 1 & 2:1-5

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace. All evildoers will be as stubble.
Isaiah 66:15-16 The Lord coming in fire... many will be slain by Him.
Isaiah 9:18 The land is scorched by the Lord, the people are fuel for the fire.

Ezekiel 29:45-48, Hebrews 10:27, 2 Peter 3:7 It is also the Sixth Seal judgement as described in Revelation 6:12-17, Jeremiah 4:25-29, Isaiah 2:12-22

Many prophecies tell of the final judgement of Judah: Jeremiah 7:20 I will pour out My anger on Judah, man and beast, trees and crops, they will burn unquenched. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 22:14

Psalm 83:1-18 describes very well how the State of Israel’s enemies plot against them, and what will happen to them. Micah 4:11-12 A remnant of Jewish believers will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 29:1-4, Isaiah 6:11-12, Zechariah 13:8-9

After that: Ezekiel 36:8 But you, Land of Israel, put forth your branches and yield fruit for My people, Righteous Israel, for their homecoming is near. Zechariah 8:11-13, Amos 9:13-15

All of the Lord’s people will be gathered into the holy Land. Isaiah 66:18-21, Ezekiel 34:11-31 The Lord will then judge His people and only the righteous Christian believers will settle in the Promised Land.

They will establish the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 66:7-14
Ezekiel 20:35-38 I shall make you pass under the rod of Judgement…..those who revolt and rebel will not enter the holy Land.

Isaiah 1:25-28.Once again, I shall act against you, to purge away all your impurities. Gods people, [the Christian Israel of God, Galatians 6:16], will settle and become prosperous in a blessed and fertile land. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-31

Ezekiel 39:25-29 The Lord says; now I shall restore the fortunes of Jacob. [Who are now spiritual Israel, people qualified by faith, not by ethnicity. Galatians 3:26-29]

They will forget their shame and unfaithfulness when they live once more safely in their inheritance. [Romans 8:14-17] When I gather them from all the lands, they will be an example to the nations of My Holiness. They will acknowledge Me as their God, when they all live in their heritage; the Promised Land. I will no longer hide Myself from them, I who have poured out My Spirit upon them.


After a few years, God will motivate the leader of a Northern alliance to prepare for war and attack Israel. God will destroy the entire army with fire, earthquakes and causing them to fight each other. Ezekiel 38 & 39, the Gog from Magog attack.

Joel 2:20 I shall remove the Northern peril far from you and banish them into the desert. Half of the army: by the Mediterranean and the other half by the Dead Sea.
The stench and foul smell from them will rise up. He has done great things!


This He will do in order to; Ezekiel 39:21-22 ... display My glory to the nations... From that day forward, the Israelites will know that I am the Lord their God

Note; that the Lord will make Himself known by His actions to His righteous people, and to the world, but not by His presence until His Return in glory at the commencement of His Millennial reign. After the armies of this Northern alliance are destroyed, the people of Beulah [Isaiah 62:1-5] will send out teams to collect the dead. They will be buried in the valley of Wadi al Mawjib, East of the Dead Sea. This will take seven months, then seven years is needed to finally clear up all the debris of the army. This tremendous defeat of a very large and well equipped army, will have dramatic repercussions. On top of the already huge disruptions caused by the previous worldwide devastation – food and oil shortages, economic crisis, refugee problems, etc. The world’s leaders will meet and the most logical way to address all the issues, is to form a One World government. Daniel 7:23-24, Rev 17:12-13. Initially ten rulers will share the authority, but after a short while, they will confer their power onto one man. The President of this World Alliance will be a charismatic and strong leader, he will quickly take dictatorial powers over it. Daniel 11:21

Meanwhile, in Jerusalem, construction of the Third Temple will be completed, Zech. 6:15, Revelation 11:1, and the Shekinah glory of God will enter it. Ezekiel 43:2

12,000 missionaries will be selected from each of the 12 divisions of Beulah and they will go out in pairs to every people group in the world to preach the gospel of Gods Kingdom to come. Isaiah 66:19, Revelation 7:3-8 As was done previously: Luke 10:1-10

Beulah will not join the One World government, but in order to maintain peaceful relations, Beulah will sign a seven year peace treaty with them. Daniel 9:27
After 3½ years, the world leader will be assassinated, but his body will be taken over by Satan. Revelation 13:3-4 He will come in force to Beulah, Zechariah 14:1-2, and establish worship of himself in the Temple. Matthew 24:15 So, when you see the ‘abomination of desolation’ standing in the Holy place as prophesied by Daniel 7:25…

He will defy the Most High and will persecute the holy people of God. They will be in his power for 3½ years. Rev 13:9-10.

In Rev 12:6, it says that there will be a place of safety for some of Gods people, those who stood firm in their faith. Daniel 11:32b, Matthew 24:15-21.

During this last 3½ year period, the Great Tribulation of the Seven Trumpets and the Seven Bowls of God’s wrath poured upon the earth will cause terrible destruction and deaths to the ungodly peoples. Matthew 24:21-22, Revelation 16:11

It all culminates in the Battle of Armageddon – Revelation 16:16. That is when the Lord Jesus will Return to the earth in His glory and destroys those armies in His mighty power. Rev. 19:15 & Zechariah 14:3-5. Lucifer (Satan) will be chained and imprisoned and Jesus will rule the world for 1000 years. Then, Satan will be released for a short time. He will again seduce the nations and will muster them for war, a vast army from all around the world. They will lay siege to Gods City. Fire comes down from heaven and cremates them all. Satan is thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:7-9.

After that is the Great White Throne judgement of all people and the angels. Revelation 20:11-14, Daniel 7:9-10

THEN comes Eternity, a Spiritual realm where all who enter it will be immortal and will live with God forever.
 
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