History of Abortion in the U.S.A.

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Spare me your rationalizations for attempting to assign a position they do not hold.

I mean, let's be honest, the entire term "pro-choice" is permissive of a choice, among others, to kill your child (or not)...and then have the gall to call that a "right."

"A person's a person, no matter how small." -Horton Hears a Who, Dr. Seuss
 
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I mean, let's be honest, the entire term "pro-choice" is permissive of a choice, among others, to kill your child (or not)...and then have the gall to call that a "right."

"A person's a person, no matter how small." -Horton Hears a Who, Dr. Seuss

Except it's not a child or a person.
 
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Are you claiming that pro-choice people don't call themselves that to indicate they choose abortion over birth?
Yes. I'm claiming they call themselves that because they are for women making their own choice. You can tell by how they consistently tell you that.
 
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Yes. In I'm claiming the call themselves that because they are for women making their own choice.

Their choice to do what?
 
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I mean, let's be honest, the entire term "pro-choice" is permissive of a choice, among others, to kill your child (or not)...and then have the gall to call that a "right."

"A person's a person, no matter how small." -Horton Hears a Who, Dr. Seuss
Yes, let's do that. A single cell is not a child no matter how many times you try to equate the two.
 
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Yes, let's do that. A single cell is not a child no matter how many times you try to equate the two.

How many cells does it take?
You could also start with, "How many hairs on your chin does it take to make a beard"?
 
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It's not about value; it's about status as a human being, and embryos lack that status.
Personhood status might be a red herring in an abortion debate as it is irrelevant to whether or not someone has a right to use another person's body. Nobody can be forced to donate blood or bone marrow to save a dying person, let alone an organ. People can not be forced to use their bodies to save other people.

Although I'm not a fan of this line of argument and would rather point to the fact that, from a practical standpoint, we don't live in a universe that allows us to give a fetus or embryo the same rights as a born human being. (Because of what that would mean for miscarriages and IVF among other things.)

Maybe a pro life argument could be made that people should be able to be forced to give up blood, bone marrow or organs but I can see that clash easily with ideals of liberty and freedom.

My hope is that, as science progresses, abortion will slowly become a thing of the past when advancements will allow a fetus to be made viable outside of the womb, in some artificial womb perhaps. I am confident that will be the only way abortion will ever be outlawed, and not because of religious dogma and people screaming at each other on a message board or outside of a medical clinic.
 
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My hope is that, as science progresses, abortion will slowly become a thing of the past when advancements will allow a fetus to be made viable outside of the womb, in some artificial womb perhaps. I am confident that will be the only way abortion will ever be outlawed, and not because of religious dogma and people screaming at each other on a message board or outside of a medical clinic.

I once made a thread about this possibility but some people said that even if that was an option, women should still be able to choose to abort.
 
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Have a medically induced abortion.

Ok, then that's what "pro-choice" means. It would be nice if they would admit that instead of being pro "the ability to make choices". It's all about making one particular choice.
 
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Ok, then that's what "pro-choice" means. It would be nice if they would admit that instead of being pro "the ability to make choices". It's all about making one particular choice.

Much like "Pro life"is only pro for the life of one particular stage in humans development. Being so pedantic about a simpler label meant to symbolize so much more does not forward the argument.
 
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Much like "Pro life"is only pro for the life of one particular stage in humans development. Being so pedantic about a simpler label meant to symbolize so much more does not forward the argument.

You're basically correct about what Pro Life's meaning is. It relates to the viewpoint regarding allowing birth versus ending a pregnancy through abortion.
 
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Have a medically induced abortion.
Or not. That is the choice, not just the one. The choice is to continue pregnancy or not. Pregnancy is not without cost and risk.
 
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Yes, let's do that. A single cell is not a child no matter how many times you try to equate the two.

Sure, but you will need to answer:

1. Is the cell human?
2. Is the cell alive?

There's some follow up based on the condition of answers.
 
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Horton Hears a who wasn't written as an anti-abortion book.

True, yet the parallels and symbolism are still there, regardless of the intentions of protesting the US occupation of Japan.
 
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