Men listening to women teach the Bible!

1watchman · Jul 14, 2020

Read again what I said, friend! A woman is to be silent in the assembly, and she can be a good witness everywhere she goes in the world. The assembly is the collective gathering of the saints for study, worship, ministry, praise, etc. I recommend you visit the site at Biblecounsel.net on the Internet to see much of what a scriptural fellowship should be, and one can ask questions there. Keep looking up and be a good testimony in your life.

JackRT · Jul 14, 2020

Praising Him said:
Is this okay?

Certainly!

JackRT · Jul 14, 2020

When we look at the bible, both old and new testaments, we realize that it emerged from an extremely patriarchal society. This society devalued women to the extent that they were not even considered to be persons before the law. Not only were they devalued but they were in many ways considered to be of inferior intellect and of a carnal nature even moreso than the male. Patriarchy was simply part and parcel of their world view --- they simply were unable to think of the role of women in any other way. Today we know that women are the intellectual and spiritual equals of men and in every respect except physical size and strength. Jesus himself seems to gave been largely gender blind in that he numbered women among his disciples and apostles and even close friends. Paul, at first, appears conflicted until we realize that the pastoral epistles (1 and 2 Timothy and Titus) were actually written pseudonymously some 60 years after Paul's death. This was more than enough time for patriarchy to once again take charge. In my personal opinion patriarchy just might be the ugliest evil that humanity has ever inflicted on itself. It still exerts its malevolent influence in some circles even today. As a Christian I am convinced that we should make every effort to ensure the full equality of women in every aspect of the life of our churches and in society at large.

Junia · Jul 14, 2020

1watchman said:
Read again what I said, friend! A woman is to be silent in the assembly, and she can be a good witness everywhere she goes in the world. The assembly is the collective gathering of the saints for study, worship, ministry, praise, etc. I recommend you visit the site at Biblecounsel.net on the Internet to see much of what a scriptural fellowship should be, and one can ask questions there. Keep looking up and be a good testimony in your life.

OK thanks. as long as i can preach outside the assembly and can have a career etc same as a man. I think the women being quiet is actually the only Bible verse tha still apl[plies to women's roles these days. oh, except for the one about the husband being the head fo the wife etc but there aren't nay other verses which apply to single women or women whoa ren't mothers. so as long as am not a pastor then am ok? ok then.

but i will continue to lead women's bible stuies and preach to women and children as i see fit. like Joyce Meyer, Beth Moore, Stormie Ormartian.

JM · Jul 23, 2020

Praising Him said:
Is this okay?

You asked in the conservative forum. The answer is no, the Bible is against it, so am I.

JM · Jul 23, 2020

JackRT said:
When we look at the bible, both old and new testaments, we realize that it emerged from an extremely patriarchal society. This society devalued women to the extent that they were not even considered to be persons before the law. Not only were they devalued but they were in many ways considered to be of inferior intellect and of a carnal nature even moreso than the male. Patriarchy was simply part and parcel of their world view --- they simply were unable to think of the role of women in any other way. Today we know that women are the intellectual and spiritual equals of men and in every respect except physical size and strength. Jesus himself seems to gave been largely gender blind in that he numbered women among his disciples and apostles and even close friends. Paul, at first, appears conflicted until we realize that the pastoral epistles (1 and 2 Timothy and Titus) were actually written pseudonymously some 60 years after Paul's death. This was more than enough time for patriarchy to once again take charge. In my personal opinion patriarchy just might be the ugliest evil that humanity has ever inflicted on itself. It still exerts its malevolent influence in some circles even today. As a Christian I am convinced that we should make every effort to ensure the full equality of women in every aspect of the life of our churches and in society at large.

This is the opposite of the conservative position. Are you aware this is the conservative forum?

jm

East of Eden · May 30, 2021

Junia said:
i go to a church where there is woman minister. i find God uses her.

if it is a sin for her to minsiter, it is betwen her and God, others aqre responsible for their sins. we are not responsible for anyone sinning.

The scandal of women ministers is like the approval of homosexuality by some churches, in both instances, the Bible's teaching is set aside, all in the name of 'fairness'.

Humble_Disciple · Jun 8, 2021

Praising Him said:
Is this okay?

My church teaches the inerrancy of scripture, and yet it allows women to give sermons on the pulpit. There were female prophets and deaconesses in the Bible.

When Paul says that a woman should not teach men, perhaps we should consider the specific circumstances of the church group to whom he was writing, where women may have been immature in the faith.

East of Eden · Jun 9, 2021

Humble_Disciple said:
My church teaches the inerrancy of scripture, and yet it allows women to give sermons on the pulpit. There were female prophets and deaconesses in the Bible.

When Paul says that a woman should not teach men, perhaps we should consider the specific circumstances of the church group to whom he was writing, where women may have been immature in the faith.

Paul pointed back to Genesis in his reasoning for male church leaders.

Humble_Disciple · Jun 9, 2021

East of Eden said:
Paul pointed back to Genesis in his reasoning for male church leaders.

And again, I would point to the fact that there were female prophets and deaconesses in the Bible.

GreekOrthodox · Jun 9, 2021

In the Orthodox church, the main way we have interpreted this is that women are not part of the ordained clergy. Other than that, women are fully involved. My teacher in Biblical Greek was a woman. We've had discussions led by nuns who were very knowledgeable about a given topic, far more so than our priest.

East of Eden · Jun 9, 2021

Humble_Disciple said:
And again, I would point to the fact that there were female prophets and deaconesses in the Bible.

Not the same thing as a position of church leadership. Remember also in Judges when there were women prophets, it was described as a time when everyone did what was right in their own eyes. Reminds me of today.

renniks · Jun 9, 2021

Praising Him said:
Is this okay?

Yes. I think so.

skyglass · Jun 9, 2021

GreekOrthodox said:
In the Orthodox church, the main way we have interpreted this is that women are not part of the ordained clergy. Other than that, women are fully involved. My teacher in Biblical Greek was a woman. We've had discussions led by nuns who were very knowledgeable about a given topic, far more so than our priest.

Similar in the Catholic church. The priesthood and the diaconate is for men only, but women have other important roles.

Humble_Disciple · Jun 9, 2021

East of Eden said:
Not the same thing as a position of church leadership. Remember also in Judges when there were women prophets, it was described as a time when everyone did what was right in their own eyes. Reminds me of today.

There is a difference between ordaining female pastors and having women preach on the pulpit.

East of Eden · Jun 9, 2021

skyglass said:
Similar in the Catholic church. The priesthood and the diaconate is for men only, but women have other important roles.

How do you reconcile that with deaconesses in the New Testament that Paul mentioned?

skyglass · Jun 18, 2021

East of Eden said:
How do you reconcile that with deaconesses in the New Testament that Paul mentioned?

Deaconesses? Sure. ‘Women Deacons’? Not So Fast.

East of Eden · Jun 18, 2021

skyglass said:
Deaconesses? Sure. ‘Women Deacons’? Not So Fast.

"I think this is why so many Catholics seem persuaded by the contemporary claims that women deacons of the past were ordained and were clerics and therefore should be permitted once again to be ordained clerics alongside their presumed male-deacon counterparts."

Straw man, which I am not promoting. I agree with your church than ordination is for men only.

1watchman · Aug 6, 2021

As I have already explained, Junia, the known "born again" Christian woman can speak the gospel to all she meets, but not to teach or preach in the assembly of saints. Read the Epistles on Church Truth!

1watchman · Aug 6, 2021

As I also said: a woman can preach anywhere in public, but NOT in the assembly of gathered saints. The reference to: 'at home', means if she has questions she can study Scripture and also talk to her husband; though if he is not saved or otherwise learned in Scripture, she can inquire of others who are known as teachers. Let us all value "all the counsel of God" and "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" as God says; certainly not using the Old Testament for our authority, or the reasoning of anyone.

I do not claim to be an authority, but in study of Scripture and Bible teachers over 60+ years, I believe I see what God is telling us. One needs to keep reading our Holy Word of Truth; and not depending on religious traditions of men.

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