No, the riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6 wasn’t a ‘completely peaceful protest’

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They were all BLM unless you can show they were not. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..
hasn't he shown you, repeatedly, including by quoting LEOs, that it wasn't? What part of that are you having trouble following?

Do you think that those rioting at the Capitol (OP) were all Trump supporters?
 
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The article tulc posted was a response to someone posting a video showing peaceful protesters, and saying that it showed a completely peaceful protest. I tend to think the guy actually meant that everyone in the video was completely peaceful, at least during the video. I'm dubious that he actually meant the protest was completely peaceful. I mean it's possible he meant the whole protest, but it seems unlikely to me. If he dug up that video, I'm sure he could find the videos showing violence.

Be that as it may, I was asking more if anyone in this thread was claiming it was completely peaceful.
I don't know. There's a lot of hand-waving and whataboutery from some posters claiming that other people and other groups had violently protested. But tulc was saying that he was appalled that it had to be pointed out that the Capitol protest wasn't completely peaceful. If you agree that it wasn't, then that's fine.

It's worth remembering the timeline again, because it isn't exactly flattering to Trump. Protesters had amassed in his name, claiming to be doing his bidding. Let's be generous and assume he didn't know that the VP had been evacuated. That's a generous assumption, but let's pretend. 11 minutes after that, he tweets that Pence had "lacked courage". It takes him 49 minutes to tweet again, this time asking everyone to "remain [sic] peaceful". A mere 64 minutes later he tweets again, telling people to go home, albeit caveated by his claim that it was a fraudulent election. And then, a mere 103 minutes later, he calls those protesting "great patriots" and tells them to "remember this day forever!"

The actions of an innocent bystander? An ill-informed CiC? Or something more sinister? We can only speculate. I guess denialism is how he escaped the second impeachment.
 
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hasn't he shown you, repeatedly, including by quoting LEOs, that it wasn't? What part of that are you having trouble following?

Do you think that those rioting at the Capitol (OP) were all Trump supporters?
There were 10000 people arrested at BLM protests. Many of them black. And you want to tell me that they were all white supremacists. Do you believe in Santa too?
 
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And yet you can't find even one BLM member arrested? Isn't that a clue for you?

They were all BLM unless you can show they were not.

Nice try. Why not just admit it? You don't have any evidence, and now you're hoping you might get me to look for you? I did that once, and I found one; a self-proclaimed BLM member who took part in the attack on the Capitol by Trump's people.

But that's it. You seem to be out of excuses.
 
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There were 10000 people arrested at BLM protests. Many of them black.

Should be easy for you to show us some evidence, then. But for some reason, you're stalling. Maybe it's a faulty assumption to say "all those people are alike."

And you want to tell me that they were all white supremacists.

No, you just made that story up. Everyone noticed that no one here said that they were. You're frustrated. I get that. But you'll only make it worse by making up false stories.

Do you believe in Santa too?

The problem seems to be that you believe in the boogeyman.
 
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There were 10000 people arrested at BLM protests. Many of them black. And you want to tell me that they were all white supremacists. Do you believe in Santa too?
I've looked it up on Wikipedia. Not always the most reliable source, but let's run with it. It explains in great detail that 14,000+ people had been arrested, and 25 people had died in the unrests. It says 93%+ of the protests had been non-violent.

I wonder if the problem is what we mean by "BLM members". Do you mean "African Americans"? If so, you should say so. There's scant evidence of BLM members being arrested, though Barbarian has given you one.
 
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No, you just made that story up. Everyone noticed that no one here said that they were. You're frustrated. I get that. But you'll only make it worse by making up false stories.
LoL, you refuse to answer one simple question over and over. If they weren't all white supremacists, which is obvious, who were they? Anyone can see through your avoiding. I'm not frustrated, because I'm quite familiar with your dishonest tactics.
"By the end of June, at least 14,000 people had been arrested[3][34][35] and, by November 2020, 25 people had died in relation to the unrest. It was later estimated that between May 26 and August 22, 93% of individual protests were "peaceful and nondestructive"[36] and The Washington Post estimated that by the end of June, 96.3% of 7,305 demonstrations involved no injuries and no property damage.[37] Nevertheless, arson, vandalism, and looting between May 26 and June 8 were tabulated to have caused $1–2 billion in insured damages nationally—the highest recorded damage from civil disorder in U.S. history, surpassing the record set during the 1992 Los Angeles riots.[5][38]

"Police arrested 74 people at a Black Lives Matter rally in Rochester, New York, and 30 were booked and charged during a protest in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, which remains on edge after 37-year-old Alton Sterling was fatally shot by police early Tuesday."

"In Baton Rouge, 30 people were arrested, mostly for obstructing a highway and inciting to riot, officials said."

More Than 100 Arrested at Black Lives Matter Protests

Who were arrested? "Protesters". What kind of protests were these? BLM protests.

Quit being deliberately deceitful. It makes you look dense.

"Officials said the lawyers, Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman, threw a Molotov cocktail at an empty, already vandalized police vehicle and drove away."

Oh look, more black white supremacists who were arrested for violence!
 
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wonder if the problem is what we mean by "BLM members". Do you mean "African Americans"? If so, you should say so. There's scant evidence of BLM members being arrested, though Barbarian has given you one.
What is a BLM member? If you are at a BLM protest, you are a BLM member, unless you're a counter protester, in which case you are not going to be participating in the protest.
 
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LoL, you refuse to answer one simple question over and over.

You keep getting the same answer and refuse to hear it.

If they weren't all white supremacists, which is obvious, who were they?

So far, you've presented no evidence. It's becoming clear why.

Who were arrested? "Protesters". What kind of protests were these? BLM protests.

Then it should be remarkably easy for you to find at least one for us. But you can't. Which should be a clue for you. I don't know if you're being deliberately deceitful or not. But you've repeatedly claim things you want me to believe, even though I never said anything like them. So that does make people wonder.

"Officials said the lawyers, Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman, threw a Molotov cocktail at an empty, already vandalized police vehicle and drove away."

And these were members of BLM? Seems unlikely, given that at a number of protests, BLM helped police stop violence, and even joined arms to protect an officer from rioters until help could arrive.

Hinshaw, a Fourth Division patrol officer and part of Louisville Metro Police Department's Special Response Team, drove as close as he could to the scene. As he got out of his cruiser, he was immediately surrounded by protesters.
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As the crowd grew, Hinshaw detoured to the front of Bearno’s pizzeria so he could keep his back to the wall. He needed a place to stop and reassess the situation — to be sure that nobody could get behind him. He also needed to keep an eye on his trapped colleague.
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“Here we go,” he thought. “I’m preparing to be injured.”

Hinshaw kept his voice calm as he radioed in: “Charlie 12, this is a 10-30. We need help.” 10-30 is code for officer needs help.
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“Here we go,” he thought. “I’m preparing to be injured.”

Hinshaw kept his voice calm as he radioed in: “Charlie 12, this is a 10-30. We need help.” 10-30 is code for officer needs help.
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It was at this moment that a man emerged from the crowd in a red University of Louisville mask covering the lower half of his face. He put himself between the closest protester and Hinshaw.

The Courier Journal captured the moment in a photograph that has now been shared across the nation.
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Local entrepreneur Darrin Lee Jr. spotted Hinshaw and the advancing crowd and linked arms with the stranger in the red mask.

“Once I saw the guy with the red mask step up, I said, 'I gotta step up,'” said Lee, who also runs a child care center. “It was reactive. I just went.”
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Ultimately, five men formed a human shield to protect Hinshaw. All of them strangers to one another. Nobody knew the name of the man to his left or to his right. Three were black, one white, one Dominican — all linking arms to keep harm away from Hinshaw, himself half-Pakistani.

“A human was in trouble, and right is right," said Ricky McClellan, a factory worker from Old Louisville who was locked onto Lee’s left arm.
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“Those guys, they saved me,” Hinshaw said. “There’s no doubt about it. And I am beyond thankful. If it wasn’t for them intervening and recognizing that I was in trouble and helping me, I am sure that I would’ve been assaulted in one form or another.

Breonna Taylor protests: Protesters protected lone Louisville officer

I already did some looking, found one BLM member who rioted (joining the Trump people in their assault on the Capitol). Is it asking too much of you to find even one on your own?
 
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Another low from a republican:

GOP Congressman Refuses To Shake Hands With Officer Beaten In Jan. 6 Attack
I watched it. The GOP congressman voted against the award of medals to recognise officers' courage; and then he appeared to pretend to make a phone call, rather than shake Officer Fanone's hand, even after he had explained who he was, and what had happened to him.
Just .. wow.
 
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What is a BLM member? If you are at a BLM protest, you are a BLM member, unless you're a counter protester, in which case you are not going to be participating in the protest.
OK, so let's run this through to its logical conclusion. I asked you if you thought all those involved in violent protest on 06 January were Trump supporters. You didn't answer that part. So let's ask again. Using your logic, do you accept that all those who violently assaulted the Capitol were Trump supporters? After all, they weren't counter-protesters, because they were participating. Fair conclusion?
 
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It's not Reagan's republican party any more.

The GOP congressman voted against the award of medals to recognise officers' courage; and then he appeared to pretend to make a phone call, rather than shake Officer Fanone's hand, even after he had explained who he was, and what had happened to him.

It's clear why the congressman is angry; that officer and his fellow officers ruined the scheme to overturn the Constitution and impose Donald Trump on a nation that did not want him.
 
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OK, so let's run this through to its logical conclusion. I asked you if you thought all those involved in violent protest on 06 January were Trump supporters. You didn't answer that part.

Good luck on that.
 
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It's not Reagan's republican party any more.



It's clear why the congressman is angry; that officer and his fellow officers ruined the scheme to overturn the Constitution and impose Donald Trump on a nation that did not want him.
Yes. It's abundantly clear. And yet ... so deniable, to those who wish to.
 
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