Black Theologian Voddie T. Baucham Exposes ‘Demonic Ideology’ Behind CRT, BLM, Antiracism

Eftsoon · Jun 17, 2021

Hammster said:
I already have a standard.

Even the biblical writers learned from the surrounding Greek culture.

Hammster · Jun 17, 2021

Eftsoon said:
Even the biblical writers learned from the surrounding Greek culture.

Mkay.

essentialsaltes · Jun 17, 2021

Hammster said:
He has his degree in sociology.

Human sociology or demon sociology?

Eftsoon · Jun 17, 2021

All I really care about is the fact that the experience of black people in the west is broadly difficult. There is a problem, and so we need to think critically about race relations in the west. CRT is a problematic framework but it does give us some useful constructs and thinking tools with which we can approach the issues.

If you are adamant that there is no problem, please consider how arrogant it is to deny the experience of an entire people group.

The bible is chock full of passages which command us to seek justice for the poor and oppressed. Christ elevates the poor- they are inheritors of the Earth. God is concerned with righting injustice. We have to approach CRT with that in mind. I hope that there will be a Christ-focused approach to race relations at some point.

Tanj · Jun 17, 2021

Hammster said:
I’m not doing a Bible study with a non-believer.

You separate people into two groups then, believer and non believer.

Hammster said:
CRT looks at people as groups, not individuals. It’s partially. Partiality is a sin.

mkay.

rturner76 · Jun 17, 2021

Hammster said:
He has his degree in sociology.

Next time I see him, I'll pat him on the back.

rturner76 · Jun 17, 2021

grasping the after wind said:
Communism flourishing in China? I don't think so. China gave up on Communism decades ago. Not that they ever were truly Communist to begin with. No such state as a Communist State has ever existed. Nor ever will. According to Marx that would be a contradiction terms. China has been and continues to be a totalitarian socialistic oligarchy, now mostly fascist in nature. China's Communist Party controlled government has become more fascistic over the decades by removing some government ownership, though not control, and concentrating more on jingoistic nationalism and capitalistic growth than on the plight of the international proletariat. I wouldn't be looking for their totalitarian fascistic nationalistic government to simply naturally wither away any time soon.

Then why is their economy about to surpass ours if they are about to collapse? They are commies and have been since

The Communist Party of China, commonly known as the Chinese Communist Party, is the founding and sole governing political party of the People's Republic of China. The CCP leads eight other legally permitted subordinate minor parties together as the United Front. -Wiki

Chrystal-J · Jun 17, 2021

Link from inside the article:
The Occult Spirituality of Black Lives Matter

rturner76 · Jun 17, 2021

Metaethicist said:
If this weren't mentioned up front, then some commentators would probably just call him a white racist up front and move on.

Some people do hate their own race.

durangodawood · Jun 17, 2021

rturner76 said:
Then why is their economy about to surpass ours if they are about to collapse?.....

Because they have abandoned the command economy model of state-communism that failed the Soviets and have adopted authoritarian capitalism, which is succeeding quite spectacularly, economically anyway.

rturner76 · Jun 17, 2021

durangodawood said:
Because they have abandoned the command economy model of state-communism that failed the Soviets and have adopted authoritarian capitalism, which is succeeding quite spectacularly, economically anyway.

The state owns all private property. Though people can inherit property from their parents, they never have actual ownership. When the government owns all private property isn't that communism?

RDKirk · Jun 17, 2021

Hammster said:
His problem with CRT is that it’s anti-gospel.

The history of US jurisprudence is anti-gospel. There needs to be some critical Christian theory applied to the US as well as every other secular government to expose how non-Christian they all are.

RDKirk · Jun 17, 2021

Hammster said:
Where was that said?

Whites in the early 60s certainly said it.

RDKirk · Jun 17, 2021

Eftsoon said:
This is the normative list from Delgado and Stepanic. You might disagree with some of this, but it's certainly not an insidious poison. For many people of colour this stuff is kind of obvious:

(1) Race is socially constructed, not biologically natural.

(2) Racism in the United States is normal, not aberrational: it is the common, ordinary experience of most people of colour.

(3) Owing to what critical race theorists call “interest convergence” or “material determinism,” legal advances (or setbacks) for people of colour tend to serve the interests of dominant white groups. Thus, the racial hierarchy that characterizes American society may be unaffected or even reinforced by ostensible improvements in the legal status of oppressed or exploited people.

(4) Members of minority groups periodically undergo “differential racialization,” or the attribution to them of varying sets of negative stereotypes, again depending on the needs or interests of whites.

(5) According to the thesis of “intersectionality” or “antiessentialism,” no individual can be adequately identified by membership in a single group. An African American person, for example, may also identify as a woman, a feminist, a Christian, and so on. Finally,

(6) the “voice of colour” thesis holds that people of colour are uniquely qualified to speak on behalf of other members of their group (or groups) regarding the forms and effects of racism. This consensus has led to the growth of the “legal story telling” movement, which argues that the self-expressed views of victims of racism and other forms of oppression provide essential insight into the nature of the legal system.

I agree with all those assertions.

Where I disagree with CRT proponents is in what should be done about them.

Nithavela · Jun 18, 2021

*Points at things he doesn't agree with* DEMONS!

*Starlight* · Jun 18, 2021

I think criticizing "CRT" is just counterproductive. No one seems to really agree what it means, so the whole discussion is really prone to motte-and-bailey type of arguments.

One thing that's relatively consistent is that people who criticize "CRT" mostly seem to just be against treating people differently based on their race. They associate CRT with racist "white fragility" type of beliefs, so they use CRT as a proxy in their criticism. On the other hand, defenders of CRT claim that if CRT can't be taught in schools, then it means absolutely nothing about racism can be mentioned in class, because any mention of racism is always a form of CRT.

So, I think that instead of criticizing "CRT" people should just criticize racial discrimination, double standards, prejudices, segregation, etc.

Hammster · Jun 18, 2021

Eftsoon said:
All I really care about is the fact that the experience of black people in the west is broadly difficult.

Eftsoon said:
If you are adamant that there is no problem, please consider how arrogant it is to deny the experience of an entire people group.

And this demonstrates the problem. Are all black people the same? Have they all had the same experience? Are they all waiting for someone to fix the problem?

Hammster · Jun 18, 2021

Tanj said:
You separate people into two groups then, believer and non believer.

mkay.

The Bible makes the separation. That’s legitimate. Separating people be melanin levels should never be done.

Hammster · Jun 18, 2021

rturner76 said:
Next time I see him, I'll pat him on the back.

Lol. You made it sound like only sociologists could make arguments. So when I point out that he is one, you mock?

Hammster · Jun 18, 2021

RDKirk said:
The history of US jurisprudence is anti-gospel. There needs to be some critical Christian theory applied to the US as well as every other secular government to expose how non-Christian they all are.

I don’t disagree with that.

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