Saved from what?

GallagherM · Jun 17, 2021

What does Jesus Christ save us from?

Did God really send Jesus Christ that by through Him the world could be saved?

What was the world saved from? Was it for everyone?

What do you think about being saved from sin; and saved to the kingdom of Gods Son?

To me; I believe that Jesus Christ came into the world to pay for the price of sin for all of mankind. I believe that through his sacrifice it saved the entire world from complete destruction because of God was pleased, of the one atoning sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Christ was Risen again after 3 days in the heart of the earth (she'ol/Hell). I believe the world was saved from sin, for all people but there was still a promise that God had to do in which was pour out his wrath on the children of disobedience who did not listen whom were part of the Children of Israel, as well as Jesus Christ returning to take the first church bride. (it is always possible for me to be wrong however though this is how I see scriptures).

Because of this I believe believers today are saved not just from their sin and having freedom of the bondage of sin because of the Lord Jesus Christ but believers are saved unto the Kingdom of Gods Son becoming citizens of the heavenly Jerusalem. (Colossians 1:1-16; Philippians 3:20-21; Romans 5; Romans 6; Romans 7: Romans 8:1-2, Hebrews 10:1-18)

What are your thoughts on these things?; and I do not mind if you have a different perspective please share your perspective if you would like, and how you see things.

Saved from what?

Goodhuman · Jun 17, 2021

He saves us from poor afterlife. I believe in the kingdom of the spirits you will need good afterlife because it is permanent. I believe Jesus came by own will. It's not exactly through him. Only God can save, and when a person is saved it's saved by God directly. It's for the called. But many are called, few are chosen is written. The world isn't saved, if you are part of the world you are not saved. Sin is nothing. No one know what is sin. It's salvation from being evil. When person is saved he become good. His mind is changed, this is why he know he is saved. He feels it, but also the feeling says that 100% your saved. There is no kingdom of Jesus. The kingdom is of the father, it's called kingdom of God. In Lord's prayer it's said "let thy kingdom come" to the father. The world isn't saved, they have more hope in the devil, this is why it will be destroyed. Jesus paid nothing, if people not imitate him and keep God's commandments and Jesus law and his commandments and the gospel and the whole bible will not be saved. Salvation comes with much work. Jesus said you know the way. He not say your salvation is guaranteed. The Israel is the church.

GallagherM · Jun 17, 2021

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this Goodhuman it adds a different perspective to the mix.

The reason I mentioned the kingdom of Gods Son is because of this verse in Colossians 1 that in verse 13 say this : For (God) He delivered us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

OldWiseGuy · Jun 17, 2021

God, through Jesus Christ, saves us from death.

Akita Suggagaki · Jun 17, 2021

GallagherM said:
What are your thoughts on these things?; and I do not mind if you have a different perspective please share your perspective if you would like, and how you see things.

He saves us from so much we hardly even begin to understand it all. Even in this life alone how can we express it? He saves us from despair, meaninglessness. He saves us from the burden of trying to cope with life on our own.

TedT · Jun 17, 2021

We are saved from the legal and natural consequences of making a free will decision to rebel against GOD.

Maria Billingsley · Jun 17, 2021

GallagherM said:
Saved from what?

From the "second death". One will either be immersed with life through His Holy Spirit or one may be immersed with death through the wrath of His fire. Be blessed.
"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

GallagherM · Jun 17, 2021

OldWiseGuy said:
God, through Jesus Christ, saves us from death.

That is right; He does save us from death and thinking about this that death is a spiritual death that we are saved from, becoming spiritually alive from being born again from above, by the spirit received as believing/trusting in Jesus Christ.

Oldwiseguy, thank you.

Psalm 116:8 For You have rescued my soul from death, My eyes from tears, My feet from stumbling. 9 I shall walk before the LORD In the land of the living. 10 I believed when I said, "I am greatly afflicted." 11 I said in my alarm, "All men are liars." 12 What shall I render to the LORD For all His benefits toward me? 13 I shall lift up the cup of salvation And call upon the name of the LORD. 14 I shall pay my vows to the LORD, Oh may it be in the presence of all His people. 15 Precious in the sight of the LORD Is the death of His godly ones. 16 O LORD, surely I am Your servant, I am Your servant, the son of Your handmaid, You have loosed my bonds. 17 To You I shall offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving, And call upon the name of the LORD. 18 I shall pay my vows to the LORD, Oh may it be in the presence of all His people,

Akita Suggagaki said:
He saves us from so much we hardly even begin to understand it all. Even in this life alone how can we express it? He saves us from despair, meaninglessness. He saves us from the burden of trying to cope with life on our own.

Akita,

He can save us from hopelessness, despair, misery, depression by and through the spirit that is provided to us by and through the Lord Jesus Christ we have access to the Father in heaven who cares about us and loves us, and desires for us to come to Him and have a relationship, and to seek the truths that He has in store for us in the word of God. If a person allows God to work in their life.

Matthew 11:28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

TedT said:
We are saved from the legal and natural consequences of making a free will decision to rebel against GOD.

TedT,

I can agree with that though those natural proclivities still live with-in us.

Philippians 4:11 Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am. 12 I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need. 13 I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.

Maria Billingsley said:
From the "second death". One will either be immersed with life through His Holy Spirit or one may be immersed with death through the wrath of His fire. Be blessed.
"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

Maria;

That scripture is true: Jesus Christ will baptize us with the holy spirit and fire.

In the words of Marilyn Manson from Car Crash away:
Love is a fire
Burns down all that it sees
Burns down everything

Hebrews 12:29; For Our God is a consuming fire.

1 John 4:
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. 17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. 19 We love because he first loved us. 20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

FaithWillDo · Jun 17, 2021

GallagherM said:
What does Jesus Christ save us from?

Did God really send Jesus Christ that by through Him the world could be saved?

What was the world saved from? Was it for everyone?

What do you think about being saved from sin; and saved to the kingdom of Gods Son?

To me; I believe that Jesus Christ came into the world to pay for the price of sin for all of mankind. I believe that through his sacrifice it saved the entire world from complete destruction because of God was pleased, of the one atoning sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Christ was Risen again after 3 days in the heart of the earth (she'ol/Hell). I believe the world was saved from sin, for all people but there was still a promise that God had to do in which was pour out his wrath on the children of disobedience who did not listen whom were part of the Children of Israel, as well as Jesus Christ returning to take the first church bride. (it is always possible for me to be wrong however though this is how I see scriptures).

Because of this I believe believers today are saved not just from their sin and having freedom of the bondage of sin because of the Lord Jesus Christ but believers are saved unto the Kingdom of Gods Son becoming citizens of the heavenly Jerusalem. (Colossians 1:1-16; Philippians 3:20-21; Romans 5; Romans 6; Romans 7: Romans 8:1-2, Hebrews 10:1-18)

What are your thoughts on these things?; and I do not mind if you have a different perspective please share your perspective if you would like, and how you see things.

Saved from what?

Dear GallagherM,

You asked:
What does Jesus Christ save us from?

Christ came to give us life from the penalty of sin (death) which all mankind must pay. Christ's work on the cross did not pay our debt to sin. His work on the cross earned Him the keys to death and hell. Because He now has the keys, Christ has the legal authority to resurrect all mankind from the grave.

But life is not enough if we all still continue to commit sins. The work that Christ is now performing is the work to stop mankind from ever sinning again. His work on the cross applied to mankind in general. It was a physical work. Now Christ's work is spiritual and is "within" each individual who has ever lived.

To do this individual work, it will take Christ TWO ages of time to complete it. At a time of Christ's choosing, Christ "is, was and will be" coming to each of us to stop us from ever sinning again. To accomplish this task, Christ will destroy our spiritually flawed created condition (which satisfies the penalty of death). From that death, Christ gives us a new birth with a spiritually perfect nature via the Holy Spirit. Once His work is completed within each person who has ever lived, mankind's relationship with the Father will be restored. Then it will be proved to be true that "all who died in Adam will be made alive in Christ". All mankind will go from being children of the devil to being children of God.

This creation event that mankind is experiencing is God's way of producing His offspring. No one will be lost because God cannot fail. His word never returns to Him void.

Phi 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

You asked:
What was the world saved from? Was it for everyone?

Mankind is saved from death as I have explained above. And yes, salvation is for everyone. Since it is Christ's work to save us, all mankind will most certainly be saved. We can contribute nothing to our salvation. Mankind cannot even seek after God or even profess that Jesus is Lord until after Christ does His work within each of us. God's word proclaims this to be true. Because of this truth, it is necessary for Christ to come to each of us and do His work within us. Once His work is done, we will all be children of God. Paul's conversion is the pattern of our salvation.

In this age, Christ is ONLY coming to and saving those whom He has chosen from the foundation of the world. They are His First-Fruits of His harvest of mankind. Then, in the next and final age, He will come to and save all others starting with the Gentiles. Once their "fullness" has come into the Kingdom of Heaven, the Nation of Israel will then be saved (the first shall be last and the last shall be first). After Christ delivers up the Kingdom which now contains all mankind, God will be "all in all".

1 Cor 15:20-28 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the consummation, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

You asked:
What do you think about being saved from sin; and saved to the kingdom of Gods Son?

From birth, all mankind thinks God and His Word are foolishness. Only AFTER Christ comes to us and gives us the gift of the Holy Spirit will our beliefs change. We have no "free will" ability to seek out Christ or to call Him Lord in our created condition. He must do His work within us FIRST. He does not ask us for permission to do it either. If He did, everyone would reject Him. But after He does His work, 100% of mankind will call Him Lord and they will come to the understanding that their salvation was 100% His work. No man can boast that they made the "right" free will choice. No man can claim that they were wiser or smarter than someone else. God loves us all and will save us all. No one left out.

1 Tim 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Joe

GallagherM · Jun 17, 2021

Hello Joe; I do believe it was my free-will choice to seek out for God though; maybe your experience was different. Thank you for the answer to those questions, and the insight you shared with me, here.

eleos1954 · Jun 17, 2021

GallagherM said:
What does Jesus Christ save us from?

Did God really send Jesus Christ that by through Him the world could be saved?

What was the world saved from? Was it for everyone?

What do you think about being saved from sin; and saved to the kingdom of Gods Son?

To me; I believe that Jesus Christ came into the world to pay for the price of sin for all of mankind. I believe that through his sacrifice it saved the entire world from complete destruction because of God was pleased, of the one atoning sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Christ was Risen again after 3 days in the heart of the earth (she'ol/Hell). I believe the world was saved from sin, for all people but there was still a promise that God had to do in which was pour out his wrath on the children of disobedience who did not listen whom were part of the Children of Israel, as well as Jesus Christ returning to take the first church bride. (it is always possible for me to be wrong however though this is how I see scriptures).

Because of this I believe believers today are saved not just from their sin and having freedom of the bondage of sin because of the Lord Jesus Christ but believers are saved unto the Kingdom of Gods Son becoming citizens of the heavenly Jerusalem. (Colossians 1:1-16; Philippians 3:20-21; Romans 5; Romans 6; Romans 7: Romans 8:1-2, Hebrews 10:1-18)

What are your thoughts on these things?; and I do not mind if you have a different perspective please share your perspective if you would like, and how you see things.

Saved from what?

separation from God ... which is of course what sin does ... and what is sin?
transgression of divine law and we are all guilty .... the wages of sin is death (for eternity) ... Jesus willingly paid our "sin debt " with His perfect sinless life so that through Him we receive life for eternity .... complete unity .... not separated from God.

He wants us to have the same relationship as He does .... complete unity.

John 17:20

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one

23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

GallagherM · Jun 17, 2021

@eleos1954 that is true. Since Adam and eve in the garden disobeyed Gods command. They were sent out and were cut off from that close relationship with God. God saw that and He still desired to have connection with His creation; even more so when the God showed His love for the world by sending the Lord Jesus Christ into this world to break down that wall that was put so that one can have a personal relationship with God now today by and through the Lord Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life and no one comes to the Father except by and through him.

He does desire for us to be in unity with by and through the spirit to have connection and relationship and grow in faith and in knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, about the truth.

FaithWillDo · Jun 17, 2021

GallagherM said:
Hello Joe; I do believe it was my free-will choice to seek out for God though; maybe your experience was different. Thank you for the answer to those questions, and the insight you shared with me, here.

Dear GallagherM,
These verses below say you had no such ability. You are taking credit for the work of Christ that He did within you.

Rom 3:10-11 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

1 Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

Prov 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Why do you believe these verses don't apply to you?

When you did seek out Christ and accept Him as Lord, it was only because Christ had come to you and had given you the Early Rain of the Spirit. It is not an event that happens with our knowledge because Christ does not heal our spiritual blindness upon that visitation. Christ remains hidden from us and so does His work within us. But we can know that Christ came to us after we start seeing the evidence of His visitation (we start seeking Christ and calling Him Lord).

It is Christ's work within us that causes us to accept Him as Lord. It is not our work. If a person thinks that they made a "free will" choice to accept Christ, then they are approaching Christ by "works" rather than by faith. This return to a works based relationship with Christ is what it means to "fall away". When a person "falls away", they are no longer resting from their works and have not entered into the rest of Christ. They remain under the Law and are no longer saved. They have committed the sin that leads to dead.

Faith, on the other hand, is trusting Christ to do all that is necessary to save us. He prepares our hearts and gives us the answer from our tongue. We are saved because it was God's will for us to be saved, not our will. In our carnally minded condition we have from birth, we can do nothing else. We must wait on the Lord to perform His work within us and to save us.

Joe

GallagherM · Jun 17, 2021

Not so. I give credit to God and the Lord Jesus Christ who have changed my heart. It just took me repenting (changing my mind) and walking back towards God.

That is a very unfair assumption and assertion for you to make towards me; Mark 1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

eleos1954 · Jun 17, 2021

GallagherM said:
@eleos1954 that is true. Since Adam and eve in the garden disobeyed Gods command. They were sent out and were cut off from that close relationship with God. God saw that and He still desired to have connection with His creation; even more so when the God showed His love for the world by sending the Lord Jesus Christ into this world to break down that wall that was put so that one can have a personal relationship with God now today by and through the Lord Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life and no one comes to the Father except by and through him.

He does desire for us to be in unity with by and through the spirit to have connection and relationship and grow in faith and in knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, about the truth.

One day it will be so my friend .... and AMEN!!!! Both spirit and body in complete unity with God. I look forward to the day.

FaithWillDo · Jun 17, 2021

GallagherM said:
Not so. I give credit to God and the Lord Jesus Christ who have changed my heart. It just took me repenting (changing my mind) and walking back towards God.

That is a very unfair assumption and assertion for you to make towards me; Mark 1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

Dear GallagherM,
In addition to you claiming that you made a free will decision to accept Christ, you are also taking credit for "repenting and walking back towards God". These are works of Christ "within" you that have caused you to "choose" and "repent" and "walk". He did them within you without you asking or choosing Him to do so. He did them solely because of His grace.

By a person claiming these works as their own, they are making room in their heart to be able to boast about the things they did to earn their salvation. Then from that knowledge, they believe it justifies why people who remain "lost" are cast into the Lake of Fire, after all, it was their own fault. When a person believes this way, it causes them to think of themselves "more highly than they ought" - that they were somehow wiser or smarter or just not as evil as those who rejected Christ. This is the definition of being self-righteous.

Do you not believe the verses I posted?

Joe

CatsRule2020 · Jun 17, 2021

GallagherM said:
What does Jesus Christ save us from?

Did God really send Jesus Christ that by through Him the world could be saved?

What was the world saved from? Was it for everyone?

What do you think about being saved from sin; and saved to the kingdom of Gods Son?

To me; I believe that Jesus Christ came into the world to pay for the price of sin for all of mankind. I believe that through his sacrifice it saved the entire world from complete destruction because of God was pleased, of the one atoning sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Christ was Risen again after 3 days in the heart of the earth (she'ol/Hell). I believe the world was saved from sin, for all people but there was still a promise that God had to do in which was pour out his wrath on the children of disobedience who did not listen whom were part of the Children of Israel, as well as Jesus Christ returning to take the first church bride. (it is always possible for me to be wrong however though this is how I see scriptures).

Because of this I believe believers today are saved not just from their sin and having freedom of the bondage of sin because of the Lord Jesus Christ but believers are saved unto the Kingdom of Gods Son becoming citizens of the heavenly Jerusalem. (Colossians 1:1-16; Philippians 3:20-21; Romans 5; Romans 6; Romans 7: Romans 8:1-2, Hebrews 10:1-18)

What are your thoughts on these things?; and I do not mind if you have a different perspective please share your perspective if you would like, and how you see things.

Saved from what?

Matthew 10:28
King James Version

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Jesus came to restore our fellowship with God, so that all who accept His offer will avoid eternal torment that was originally arranged for Satan and his demons.

eleos1954 · Jun 17, 2021

CatsRule2020 said:
Matthew 10:28
King James Version

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Jesus came to restore our fellowship with God (true), so that all who accept His offer will avoid eternal torment (not true) was originally arranged for Satan and his demons .

no such thing as eternal torment .... DESTROY .... end of existence for eternity.

GallagherM · Jun 17, 2021

@FaithWillDo
It is that you are taking away my free will choice of choice and I do not like that. I was persuaded to trust God. I placed my own confidence in trusting Him; because of all the promises that He had offered. The faith that was learned was given by God by following Christ Jesus and listening to His teachings which is for us to Love God, and Love our neighbour by worshiping God in spirit and in truth.

I just have a problem with anyone trying to use scripture to say that I did not make a choice; because I did though if you do not believe that it is okay your perspective is different than mine.

Davy · Jun 17, 2021

GallagherM said:
What does Jesus Christ save us from?

Did God really send Jesus Christ that by through Him the world could be saved?

What was the world saved from? Was it for everyone?

What do you think about being saved from sin; and saved to the kingdom of Gods Son?

To me; I believe that Jesus Christ came into the world to pay for the price of sin for all of mankind. I believe that through his sacrifice it saved the entire world from complete destruction because of God was pleased, of the one atoning sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Christ was Risen again after 3 days in the heart of the earth (she'ol/Hell). I believe the world was saved from sin, for all people but there was still a promise that God had to do in which was pour out his wrath on the children of disobedience who did not listen whom were part of the Children of Israel, as well as Jesus Christ returning to take the first church bride. (it is always possible for me to be wrong however though this is how I see scriptures).

Because of this I believe believers today are saved not just from their sin and having freedom of the bondage of sin because of the Lord Jesus Christ but believers are saved unto the Kingdom of Gods Son becoming citizens of the heavenly Jerusalem. (Colossians 1:1-16; Philippians 3:20-21; Romans 5; Romans 6; Romans 7: Romans 8:1-2, Hebrews 10:1-18)

What are your thoughts on these things?; and I do not mind if you have a different perspective please share your perspective if you would like, and how you see things.

Saved from what?

I think the 'once saved, always saved' doctrine of men is very dangerous. We each are to work out our salvation like Apostle Paul said, in fear and trembling. That's the opposite of thinking we are already saved now. Right now, we only have His promise... to save us, but only IF... we remain in Him. A believer can turn from Christ, that we are warned of a whole lot in The New Testament Epistles.

And there will always be some that simply will never accept Jesus Christ as their Savior. If they can't be their own god, then those don't want to follow any other. Even after Christ's return, per Zechariah 14, we are shown some nations will refuse to come up to Jerusalem from year to year to worship The King, and keep the feast of tabernacles. That shows continued rebellion by some peoples even in Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect.

Saved from what?

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