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I tried a thread on this topic and got limited response.

I think it is a very serious issue and effects our world view enormously.

I am not coming with answers -I am coming with questions.

These three abide... FAITH HOPE LOVE

HOPE as it applies to hope in this life for outcomes before we die gets little consideration.

The old covenant promises were full of hope for outcomes in this life.

The new covenant promises are better than the old.

Jesus refers to Hope for outcomes in this life in Luke 18

29 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times more in this age— and in the age to come, eternal life.

I invite others to contribute to a theology of hope in this life.

Faith Hope and Love are fundamental pillars of our walk with Him.

We are meant to be people of Hope in this life...

More thoughts and scriptural support please.


These three abide... FAITH HOPE LOVE, the scripture for your question answers itself, hope abides, that means now as far as i can tell. I know it is a very strong element in my life, the same as faith and love. Thanks for asking.
 
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These are a few thoughts to add to the discussion of this important topic.

Hope is a confidence that we will receive what we ask for.

It is clear that we will receive whatever we ask that is in accordance with his will.

This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him. (1 John 5:14‑15, NIV)

The question then is “how do we know that what we ask is the will and purpose of God?”

I believe that we need to approach this question on two levels.

The first is to allow the Holy Spirit to equip us with an understanding of God’s overall purpose in Creation and Redemption.

In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, (Ephesians 1:11, NIV)

It is when we start to have a grasp of these fundamental truths that we can gain some understanding of what God is doing in our lives and the lives of those around us.

…for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose. (Philippians 2:13, NIV)

In a particular situation, it is when these questions have been settled deep within our hearts, that we are able to pray the prayer of faith and actually receive what we ask for.
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The question then is “how do we know that what we ask is the will and purpose of God?”
— I did ask the same question. This is what I have come to know:

making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ -Ephesians 1:9
as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. -Ephesians 1:10


The will, purpose, plan of the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ to unite all things in Christ, whether we are in heaven or on earth, He set forth us to be in union with Christ.

So what we can ask then, according to the purpose and will of God ? This is what we have heard:

"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father. -John 14:12
Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
-John 14:13
If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it. -John 14:14


we understand that the Lord expect us to ask Him that we will do the works that He did and greater works than what the Lord have done we will do because our Lord is going to His Father. Why ?

That the Father may be glorified in the Son.
 
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I tried a thread on this topic and got limited response.

I think it is a very serious issue and effects our world view enormously.

I am not coming with answers -I am coming with questions.

These three abide... FAITH HOPE LOVE

HOPE as it applies to hope in this life for outcomes before we die gets little consideration.

The old covenant promises were full of hope for outcomes in this life.

The new covenant promises are better than the old.

Jesus refers to Hope for outcomes in this life in Luke 18

29 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times more in this age— and in the age to come, eternal life.

I invite others to contribute to a theology of hope in this life.

Faith Hope and Love are fundamental pillars of our walk with Him.

We are meant to be people of Hope in this life...

More thoughts and scriptural support please.

Romans 8:18-25 is the main hope we have in the Body of Christ, our coming redeemed body.
 
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These three abide... FAITH HOPE LOVE, the scripture for your question answers itself, hope abides, that means now as far as i can tell. I know it is a very strong element in my life, the same as faith and love. Thanks for asking.
Is hope the same as wishing and getting, or is it more like working, learning and giving?
 
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It seems to me that Faith, Hope and Love are inseparable.

Faith comes from hearing the Living Word of Christ to us personally.

Faith is the assurance of things hoped for.

So I guess Hope comes first from the desire He plants in our hearts, is confirmed by His word, and we have Faith to see it realised.

However, faith and Hope without the Love of Jesus is fruitless.

This is the serious part...

We have plenty of Christian activity but not always motivated by the Love of Jesus.

When advising a believer about choosing a church, I suggest the first consideration is evidence of Jesus Love at work.

We can read about this evidence in Acts 4...

32 And the congregation of those who believed were of one heart and soul; and not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own, but all things were common property to them. 33 And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all. 34 For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales 35 and lay them at the apostles’ feet, and they would be distributed to each to the extent that any had need...

Notice this is not Communism... which is forced on the individual. Communism is counterfeit.

When a fresh breath of God ignites believers, His Love is clearly evident, not just to other believers but to the world.

John 17
22 The glory which You have given Me I also have given to them, so that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and You loved them, just as You loved Me...
 
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It seems to me that Faith, Hope and Love are inseparable.

Faith comes from hearing the Living Word of Christ to us personally.

Faith is the assurance of things hoped for.

So I guess Hope comes first from the desire He plants in our hearts, is confirmed by His word, and we have Faith to see it realised.

However, faith and Hope without the Love of Jesus is fruitless.

This is the serious part...

We have plenty of Christian activity but not always motivated by the Love of Jesus.

When advising a believer about choosing a church, I suggest the first consideration is evidence of Jesus Love at work.

We can read about this evidence in Acts 4...

32 And the congregation of those who believed were of one heart and soul; and not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own, but all things were common property to them. 33 And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all. 34 For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales 35 and lay them at the apostles’ feet, and they would be distributed to each to the extent that any had need...

Notice this is not Communism... which is forced on the individual. Communism is counterfeit.

When a fresh breath of God ignites believers, His Love is clearly evident, not just to other believers but to the world.

John 17
22 The glory which You have given Me I also have given to them, so that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and You loved them, just as You loved Me...
I am not prepared to give everything to a church and expect they will support me afterward. I might starve to death before a charity gives back one penny of what I donated to them, while the charity exec pays himself $350,000 USD/year. Once I stop giving, the preacher may not want to talk to me, but to that woman over there who is putting money into the offering.

What faith is there without belief?

Matthew 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
 
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I am not prepared to give everything to a church and expect they will support me afterward. I might starve to death before a charity gives back one penny of what I donated to them, while the charity exec pays himself $350,000 USD/year. Once I stop giving, the preacher may not want to talk to me, but to that woman over there who is putting money into the offering.

What faith is there without belief?

Matthew 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

You seem to be describing a loveless church...
 
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You seem to be describing a loveless church...
Does your church share all property in common? This includes real estate, businesses, stocks, savings, vehicles etc? Peter’s church asked for more sharing, not less. Paul saw his church members getting rich. There is evidence they funded his expenses as he got older. He was making tents to support his ministry before he was more widely known.
 
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Does your church share all property in common? This includes real estate, businesses, stocks, savings, vehicles etc? Peter’s church asked for more sharing, not less. Paul saw his church members getting rich. There is evidence they funded his expenses as he got older. He was making tents to support his ministry before he was more widely known.

Sadly this first love is rare. It seems only two factors are likely to bring it back - serious persecution or serious revival...
 
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Dear ones,
Let us not misunderstand what has been written in Acts 4:32-35. Let us not desire that all things are all common property; For this is not what we are taught for. Yes, they did give out of their hearts and souls. Yet, we have not fully comprehend why they were moved in such a way. For likewise, we heard:

If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.-1 Corinthians 13:3 NIV

So the important is for us to have the love of Christ in our hearts.

I understand that we do heard:
Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.-Romans 12:13 NIV

So we do need to share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Yes, we should care for holy people of God and give when we have opportunities, as we cheerfully could give.

I would not say that love is rare but this I consider :
We love because He first loved us. - 1 John 4:19

So it is of importance that we understand and perceive how He first loved us, that we may love.

How should we love?

Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things, as we heard in 1 Corinthians 13:7 NKJV

So we should pray that we would be given the strength to grasp the love of Christ, that bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things in order that we may love as He have commanded us, that we may be found acceptable in the Beloved Christ that we love.
 
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Dear ones,
Let us not misunderstand what has been written in Acts 4:32-35. Let us not desire that all things are all common property; For this is not what we are taught for. Yes, they did give out of their hearts and souls. Yet, we have not fully comprehend why they were moved in such a way. For likewise, we heard:

If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.-1 Corinthians 13:3 NIV

So the important is for us to have the love of Christ in our hearts.

Cant say I agree with you on this...

It was because they had the love of Jesus that they shared.

I understand that we do heard:
Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.-Romans 12:13 NIV

So we do need to share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Yes, we should care for holy people of God and give when we have opportunities, as we cheerfully could give.

I would not say that love is rare but this I consider :
We love because He first loved us. - 1 John 4:19

This love is rare... I have never seen it in the modern church.

These days folks just don't consider their possessions are to be shared let alone given to the needy.

On rare accasions it may happen but this is not the prevailing culture like it was then.
 
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Dear ones,
Let us not misunderstand what has been written in Acts 4:32-35. Let us not desire that all things are all common property; For this is not what we are taught for. Yes, they did give out of their hearts and souls. Yet, we have not fully comprehend why they were moved in such a way.

If you are able to rightly divide the word of truth, you will be able to understand why the early Jewish believers did that

They were expecting the Tribulation to come soon, as Peter declared in Acts 2:17-21. The cross was supposed to be Daniel 69th week.

So the best way to avoid temptation to take the mark of the beast, is to make sure you have as little private possessions as possible.

James would later "make fun" of the rich Jews for not doing that in James 5:1-6
 
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Cant say I agree with you on this...

It was because they had the love of Jesus that they shared.



This love is rare... I have never seen it in the modern church.

These days folks just don't consider their possessions are to be shared let alone given to the needy.

On rare accasions it may happen but this is not the prevailing culture like it was then.
Dear Carl,
Let us not concern ourselves with prevailing culture, even in the time of apostles, what happened to them is not norms but as people moved by the love of Christ given by the Holy Spirit.

I understand that they had the love of Christ that they shared. But these days, many have not understand and perceived the love of Christ, that is, how He loved at first.

Yes, you may say that it is rare but we are not concerned with that; we are to be concerned how we grow in union with Christ.
That you desired when people shared ; that will be added when we are in union with Christ; when we are in the love of Christ.

So these days, many have not had the strength to grasp the love of Christ. That we need to be concerned, for Christ died for His beloved and we are His beloved.

So as we seek the kingdom of God, or in other words, as we seek those who belonged to Christ, let us tell them the message of His first love. When we together with them understand and perceive the love of Christ as God commanded us, that we desire will be added.
 
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If you are able to rightly divide the word of truth, you will be able to understand why the early Jewish believers did that

They were expecting the Tribulation to come soon, as Peter declared in Acts 2:17-21. The cross was supposed to be Daniel 69th week.

So the best way to avoid temptation to take the mark of the beast, is to make sure you have as little private possessions as possible.

James would later "make fun" of the rich Jews for not doing that in James 5:1-6
Dear one,
I understand that you are contemplating about the last days.

Yes, we heard :
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.' -Acts 2:21

Shouldn’t in the last days we call upon the name of the Lord in love? We should.

That is why we heard apostle Paul as father to us and told us:
You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus, -2 Timothy 2:1

About Daniel’s 69th, I could comment much; for I didn’t know what to share or specifically what you want to tell me.

Days before the Mark of the beast, you may perceive having little possession would be much better. I can’t say that everyone would make the choice like yours. For we also heard:

As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. -1 Timothy 6:17
They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, -1 Timothy 6:18
thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life. -1 Timothy 6:19

So apostle Paul consider there will be rich people in the present age, who neither haughty nor hopes in the uncertain riches and that they are rich to be generous and ready to share, in order that they may take hold of that which is truly life.

There are considerations whether we have or don’t have, whether we abound or suffer in need, but the most importance is how we live in union with Christ or how we live in the love of Christ.

Let us consider what Charles Spurgeon have said :
“To the poor in spirit it is not only simple but sweet to sit at Jesus' feet.

I would be nothing but what he makes me, I would have nothing but what he gives me, I would ask nothing but what he promises me, I would trust in nothing but what he has done for me, and I would desire nothing but what he has prepared for me.

To sit at Jesus's feet in humble submission and quiet rest, he the master and I the little child, I the vessel waiting to be filled, and he my fulness, I the mown grass, and he the falling dew, I the rain drop, and he the sun that makes me glisten in life with diamond brilliance, and then exhales me in death to be absorbed in him; this is all in all to me.”

Let us see how he perceived. Has he not perceived the love of Christ? Has he not hope in Christ? I believe he had.
 
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Dear one,
I understand that you are contemplating about the last days.

Yes, we heard :
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.' -Acts 2:21

Shouldn’t in the last days we call upon the name of the Lord in love? We should.

That is why we heard apostle Paul as father to us and told us:
You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus, -2 Timothy 2:1

About Daniel’s 69th, I could comment much; for I didn’t know what to share or specifically what you want to tell me.

Days before the Mark of the beast, you may perceive having little possession would be much better. I can’t say that everyone would make the choice like yours. For we also heard:

As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. -1 Timothy 6:17
They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, -1 Timothy 6:18
thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life. -1 Timothy 6:19

So apostle Paul consider there will be rich people in the present age, who neither haughty nor hopes in the uncertain riches and that they are rich to be generous and ready to share, in order that they may take hold of that which is truly life.

There are considerations whether we have or don’t have, whether we abound or suffer in need, but the most importance is how we live in union with Christ or how we live in the love of Christ.

Let us consider what Charles Spurgeon have said :
“To the poor in spirit it is not only simple but sweet to sit at Jesus' feet.

I would be nothing but what he makes me, I would have nothing but what he gives me, I would ask nothing but what he promises me, I would trust in nothing but what he has done for me, and I would desire nothing but what he has prepared for me.

To sit at Jesus's feet in humble submission and quiet rest, he the master and I the little child, I the vessel waiting to be filled, and he my fulness, I the mown grass, and he the falling dew, I the rain drop, and he the sun that makes me glisten in life with diamond brilliance, and then exhales me in death to be absorbed in him; this is all in all to me.”

Let us see how he perceived. Has he not perceived the love of Christ? Has he not hope in Christ? I believe he had.

Daniel 70th week has been postponed, so you are correct there. In this present age, the age of grace, we follow Paul instructions found in romans to Philemon
 
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Daniel 70th week has been postponed, so you are correct there. In this present age, the age of grace, we follow Paul instructions found in romans to Philemon
Dear one,
I would be glad to hear about the prophecy that God gave Daniel, that bring hope; as it is relevant to the thread. May be you can enlighten us.
 
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Dear one,
I would be glad to hear about the prophecy that God gave Daniel, that bring hope; as it is relevant to the thread. May be you can enlighten us.

Already did in the first post of mine where you replied to

If you are a Jewish believer in acts 4, your hope is that coming kingdom (acts 1:6)
 
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I tried a thread on this topic and got limited response.

I think it is a very serious issue and effects our world view enormously.

I am not coming with answers -I am coming with questions.

These three abide... FAITH HOPE LOVE

HOPE as it applies to hope in this life for outcomes before we die gets little consideration.

The old covenant promises were full of hope for outcomes in this life.

The new covenant promises are better than the old.

Jesus refers to Hope for outcomes in this life in Luke 18

29 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times more in this age— and in the age to come, eternal life.

I invite others to contribute to a theology of hope in this life.

Faith Hope and Love are fundamental pillars of our walk with Him.

We are meant to be people of Hope in this life...

More thoughts and scriptural support please.
In historical teachings that I’m familiar with, faith, hope, and love are considered to be the three “theological virtues”, simply meaning that they are supernatural gifts. In the strict sense faith is said to be the ability to believe, to give intellectual assent to the truths proposed by Christianity (which is why even demons can believe) while hope is the active application of it so to speak, to actually put trust and confidence in the truths proposed, a less passive act than the word seems to imply at first glance. Then love is the most important of the three, probably encompassing the others as it would be impossible to love God without also believing and hoping in Him.
 
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I feel like I would be remiss if I didn't mention Jurgen Moltmann's Theology of Hope, briefly described this way on Wikipedia's article on Moltmann,

"Moltmann's Theology of Hope is a theological perspective with an eschatological foundation and focuses on the hope that the resurrection brings. Through faith we are bound to Christ, and as such have the hope of the resurrected Christ ("Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" (1 Peter 1:3, NIV)), and knowledge of his return. For Moltmann, the hope of the Christian faith is hope in the resurrection of Christ crucified. Hope and faith depend on each other to remain true and substantial; and only with both may one find "not only a consolation in suffering, but also the protest of the divine promise against suffering" [37]

However, because of this hope we hold, we may never exist harmoniously in a society such as ours which is based on sin. When following the Theology of Hope, a Christian should find hope in the future but also experience much discontentment with the way the world is now, corrupt and full of sin. Sin bases itself in hopelessness, which can take on two forms: presumption and despair. "Presumption is a premature, selfwilled anticipation of the fulfillment of what we hope for from God. Despair is the premature, arbitrary anticipation of the non-fulfillment of what we hope for from God."[38]

In Moltmann's opinion, all should be seen from an eschatological perspective, looking toward the days when Christ will make all things new. "A proper theology would therefore have to be constructed in the light of its future goal. Eschatology should not be its end, but its beginning."[39] This does not, as many fear, 'remove happiness from the present' by focusing all ones attention toward the hope for Christ's return. Moltmann addresses this concern as such: "Does this hope cheat man of the happiness of the present? How could it do so! For it is itself the happiness of the present."[40] The importance of the current times is necessary for the Theology of Hope because it brings the future events to the here and now. This theological perspective of eschatology makes the hope of the future, the hope of today.

Hope strengthens faith and aids a believer into living a life of love, and directing them toward a new creation of all things. It creates in a believer a "passion for the possible" [41] "For our knowledge and comprehension of reality, and our reflections on it, that means at least this: that in the medium of hope our theological concepts become not judgments which nail reality down to what it is, but anticipations which show reality its prospects and its future possibilities."[41] This passion is one that is centered around the hope of the resurrected and the returning Christ, creating a change within a believer and drives the change that a believer seeks make on the world.

For Moltmann, creation and eschatology depend on one another. There exists an ongoing process of creation, continuing creation, alongside creation ex nihilo and the consummation of creation. The consummation of creation will consist of the eschatological transformation of this creation into the new creation.[42] The apocalypse will include the purging of sin from our finite world so that a transformed humanity can participate in the new creation.
" - Jürgen Moltmann - Wikipedia

This is the very first thing I thought of when I saw the thread title.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I tried a thread on this topic and got limited response.

I think it is a very serious issue and effects our world view enormously.

I am not coming with answers -I am coming with questions.

These three abide... FAITH HOPE LOVE

HOPE as it applies to hope in this life for outcomes before we die gets little consideration.

The old covenant promises were full of hope for outcomes in this life.

The new covenant promises are better than the old.

Jesus refers to Hope for outcomes in this life in Luke 18

29 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times more in this age— and in the age to come, eternal life.

I invite others to contribute to a theology of hope in this life.

Faith Hope and Love are fundamental pillars of our walk with Him.

We are meant to be people of Hope in this life...

More thoughts and scriptural support please.

First always thanks and praise to the Father of our lord Jesus Christ. Thank you.. I never looked into this till I read your post.. I really truly liked what I started to read about.. all I wanted to say. Bless you!
 
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