The Fossils for Human Evolution

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This article is the most stunning admission for the lack of fossil evidence for human evolution that I've ever read. The author presents his own alternative, the aquatic ape theory, which he admits cannot possibly be demonstrated by fossil evidence.

It seems really desperate that he would even present an alternative to the mainstream view, while admitting that it cannot be supported by the evidence, just to maintain his belief in human evolution.

Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution

Humans may have evolved relatively recently from isolated chimpanzees, without formation of any fossils. This would mean that since the time of Darwin, the missing-link fossils that people have been looking for simply do not exist...

Humans may have originated from a group of
chimpanzees that were isolated for up to 30,000 years on the island of Bioko, Africa. They lived mostly in the sea, on a marine diet with high levels of essential fatty acids for brain
growth...

No fossils would have formed along the coast of Bioko, because it was an erosional geologic environment without deposition of sediments.

After this speciation event, sea level dropped during the next ice age, and the newly evolved humans could escape to mainland Africa. Modern humans such as Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis then begin appearing in the fossil record. Earlier fossils, those more than about 300,000 years old, are paltry, and do not really show evolution toward the modern human features...

There are far more paleoanthropologists than there are primate fossils or fossil localities. Only a few paleoanthropologists ever find a primate fossil themselves, and they have limited opportunity to study original fossil materials found by others. To protect the fossil evidence and encourage new discoveries, the science of paleoanthropology has adopted practices that are not very scientific. They accept discoveries and interpretations that are not testable or reproducible by impartial scientists. Skeptics and critics can be ignored.

Dealing with them would help the cause of creationism, a lobby with political influence that denies evolution and is always looking for scientific weaknesses...

Paleoanthropologists have no plausible explanation for human encephalization — the evolutionary increase of brain size. All paleoanthropologists seem to agree that human-sized brains appear suddenly in the fossil record with the first Homo sapiens.

Since brain size did not increase sufficiently before Homo sapiens, paleoanthropologists began to use bipedalism, not encephalization, to be the key feature indicating early human evolution. Many bones in the body could be used to show that an ape was bipedal. So even with scanty fossils, many paleoanthropologists could be involved in the discussions.

It should be remembered, however, that arboreal apes are often bipedal when moving on the ground...

All chimpanzees can walk on two legs when carrying something, and must do so when moving about in waist-deep water...

Lucy was an Australopithecus, about one meter tall and about 3.2 million years old. The skeleton was said to be 40% complete, which made it by far the most complete early human ancestor.

The bone fragments convinced specialists that Lucy was bipedal with an upright posture. No foot bones or hand bones were known from Lucy or from other Australopithecus. But Lucy was assumed to have had human-like feet...

An impartial geologist would have little to gain and much to risk by challenging the 3.6 m.y. ash-fall interpretation of the Laetoli layers. A debate about this would play right into the hands of creationists, who claim that fossil evidence is routinely misinterpreted...

They assembled a spectacular skeleton, popularly referred to as the Nariokotome skeleton or Turkana boy It is the most complete early human ancestor in existence, as it includes 108 of the 206 bones of the body. It is thought to be Homo erectus, or perhaps Homo ergaster. There is little agreement about species identifications, because the fossil material from other places is too scanty and varied to agree which species are the same...

The bones are said to show bipedality, and everyone assumes that the boy had human-like feet. However, the assembled skeleton has neither foot bones nor hand bones...

Did they perhaps find hand bones or foot bones that suggested an arboreal lifestyle, and therefore could not belong to this skeleton?...

When one reads paleoanthropologic descriptions with a measure of skepticism, one can find problems with all the discoveries. Most of the fossils could be fragments of unrelated apes. From genetics, it now seems that neither Java Man nor Peking Man could be ancestral to living humans.

The aquatic ape theory will never be able to point to a dramatic fossil discovery, which typically launches new evolution theories. But such fossils, although exciting, are not as certain as most people assume.
Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution

Those who believe in special creation aren't ignorant or stupid. They just look at the evidence without a presupposition of naturalism and reductionism, and as a result, it comes up lacking.

The fossil evidence regarding human evolution is neither reproducible nor reliable. And since paleoanthropologists cannot explain what caused humans to evolve naked skin, bipedalism, large brain, and other human features, creationists can push the non-scientific idea that this unique evolutionary path was the result of “Intelligent Design.”
Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution
 
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The fossil evidence regarding human evolution is neither reproducible nor reliable. And since paleoanthropologists cannot explain what caused humans to evolve naked skin, bipedalism, large brain, and other human features, creationists can push the non-scientific idea that this unique evolutionary path was the result of “Intelligent Design.”
Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution

Wow. Just wow.
 
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I'm not here to convince anyone whom the Lord hasn't already chosen to believe. If you open up your heart, and look at the evidence for human evolution without the metaphysical blinders of naturalism and reductionism, you will realize how flimsy it really is.

Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution

The fossil evidence regarding human evolution is neither reproducible nor reliable. And since paleoanthropologists cannot explain what caused humans to evolve naked skin, bipedalism, large brain, and other human features, creationists can push the non-scientific idea that this unique evolutionary path was the result of “Intelligent Design.”
Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution

The above are not the words of a creationist, but instead of a scientist in a moment of honesty on the limitations of science.
 
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I'm not here to convince anyone whom the Lord hasn't already chosen to believe. If you open up your heart, and look at the evidence for human evolution without the metaphysical blinders of naturalism and reductionism, you will realize how flimsy it really is.

Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution



The above are not the words of a creationist, but instead of a scientist in a moment of honesty on the limitations of science.

Everybody likes a good magazine article, or pondering ideas. But this shouldn't be confused with a scientific publication. Just some random professor from Norway who likes ruffling feathers.

Critiques of evolution will never be able to address the cladistics based summation of evidence. Try as they may.

 
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Again with the video showing Heckles fake drawings. I would have thought you evolutionists would be embarrassed to show them, yet you all keep showing them again and again.
Do you all think if you show a lie more often it will become truth?
 
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Again with the video showing Heckles fake drawings. I would have thought you evolutionists would be embarrassed to show them, yet you all keep showing them again and again.
Do you all think if you show a lie more often it will become truth?

I await the day you respond to the subject of the video.
 
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This article is the most stunning admission for the lack of fossil evidence for human evolution that I've ever read. The author presents his own alternative, the aquatic ape theory, which he admits cannot possibly be demonstrated by fossil evidence.

It seems really desperate that he would even present an alternative to the mainstream view, while admitting that it cannot be supported by the evidence, just to maintain his belief in human evolution.

Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution



Those who believe in special creation aren't ignorant or stupid. They just look at the evidence without a presupposition of naturalism and reductionism, and as a result, it comes up lacking.

I Agree - there is no evidence that panspermia or abiogenesis took place. That all life on earth started off as living organisms that came from space, an evolved first into marine life, then land animals then mankind. Heck they still haven't discovered where RNA came from _ which is the building block of life. Last year they decided it too came from space. And a T-Rex evolving into a chicken! And the evolution of the whale, evolving from sea life into land life, then evolving back to the sea. Evolution does not make sense at all. The fish crawled out of the sea, grew limbs and lungs, to evolve into hundreds of thousands of species that existed millions of years ago - and continuing to evolve into the billions of known species. So why should it even need reproductive system, or need to eat, or have vocal, thinking, or hearing capabilities - they really have no answer for that.

And this is my opinion, my opinion only, God designed everything that's here. With man and the Australopithecus Afarensis, Heidelbergensis, Patanthropus Boisei, or any of the other extinct primate species _ God changed a few chromosomes, genetic traits - a bit of DNA sequences after - all he did call the Earth to bring animals forth first. And he physically formed man from the dust of the earth, and placed man in the East of Eden, in a garden that he a prepared for man. Science is another evil ploy to lead the human spirit's placed in these flesh bodies astray.
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The fossil evidence regarding human evolution is neither reproducible nor reliable. And since paleoanthropologists cannot explain what caused humans to evolve naked skin, bipedalism, large brain, and other human features, creationists can push the non-scientific idea that this unique evolutionary path was the result of “Intelligent Design.”
Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution

This is very interesting. In what sense is the fossil evidence regarding human evolution not reproducible?

Here is one example:

Lack of access to the original material is still a problem in paleoanthropology. In other sciences, discoveries and results can be reproduced or verified in independent laboratories. But a particular primate fossil is only found once. Others must trust that the fragments were found as claimed, that none were planted by a trickster, and none were intentionally kept hidden.
Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution

How is the fossil evidence regarding human evolution not reliable?

Here is one example:

The bone fragments convinced specialists that Lucy was bipedal with an upright posture. No foot bones or hand bones were known from Lucy or from other Australopithecus. But Lucy was assumed to have had human-like feet...

The skull of Turkana boy was assembled from about 70 pieces, and many were missing. The brain case is said to be about 900 cc, and the age about 1.5 million years. The bones are said to show bipedality, and everyone assumes that the boy had human-like feet. However, the assembled skeleton has neither foot bones nor hand bones.

In the scientific descriptions that were published in 1993 (The Nariokotome Homo erectus skeleton), Alan Walker and Richard Leakey mentioned that a possible metatarsal (foot bone) was found “but it has some peculiar features and is from a part of the site that has yielded only questionable pieces.” The fossil collectors found fragments of many animals in the large volume of sediments.

Did they perhaps find hand bones or foot bones that suggested an arboreal lifestyle, and therefore could not belong to this skeleton?
Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution

Did you catch that? Since the foot bones and hand bones of Lucy and Turkana boy were never discovered, it's simply an assumption, rather than a provable fact, that they had evolved past an arboreal (tree-dwelling) lifestyle.

Why does that matter?

It should be remembered, however, that arboreal apes are often bipedal when moving on the ground. YouTube videos show how gibbons walk and run like humans. The domesticated chimpanzee “Oliver” routinely walked comfortably in a fully upright position, leading some people to claim that he was a hybrid humanzee. A genetics test showed that he was not.

All chimpanzees can walk on two legs when carrying something, and must do so when moving about in waist-deep water.
Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution

As those who believe in special creation have maintained all along, all fossils of supposed ape-to-man transitions are either fully ape or fully human.

The above article only confirms this, which is why the author presents an alternative explanation for human evolution, the aquatic ape theory, while admitting that it cannot be supported by fossil evidence.

No fossils would have formed along the coast of Bioko, because it was an erosional geologic environment without deposition of sediments.
Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution

Wow. Just wow. This is what's classically called an ad hoc explanation. If the fossil evidence doesn't support the traditional theory of human evolution, make up a new one.

Perhaps good old Charlie was right all along too:

Why is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain: and this perhaps is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory. - Charles Darwin, On the Origin of Species, p. 293.

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This article is the most stunning admission for the lack of fossil evidence for human evolution that I've ever read.

The author is a geologist, and seems to have no knowledge of paleontology or biology. So it's not surprising that he doesn't know what a transitional fossil is.

He seems to think that a fossil is transitional only if it's in the direct lineage to a modern species. That's just a bad assumption. Archaeopteryx, for example, is a dinosaur transitional between earlier dinosaurs and true birds. But it only close to the dinosaurs that gave rise to true birds. It would be remarkable if we happened to find the very dinosaur that actually gave rise to Aves.

Those who believe in special creation aren't ignorant or stupid.

Few of them are stupid, and while the majority of them are ignorant of the fossil record and biology, not all of them are. Here's a YE creationist, who actually has doctorates in paleontology:

Evidences for Darwin’s second expectation — of stratomorphic intermediate species — include such species as Baragwanathia27 (between rhyniophytes and lycopods), Pikaia28 (between echinoderms and chordates), Purgatorius29 (between the tree shrews and the primates), and Proconsul30 (between the non-hominoid primates and the hominoids). Darwin’s third expectation — of higher-taxon stratomorphic intermediates — has been confirmed by such examples as the mammal-like reptile groups31 between the reptiles and the mammals, and the phenacodontids32 between the horses and their presumed ancestors. Darwin’s fourth expectation — of stratomorphic series — has been confirmed by such examples as the early bird series,33 the tetrapod series,34,35 the whale series,36 the various mammal series of the Cenozoic37 (for example, the horse series, the camel series, the elephant series, the pig series, the titanothere series, etc.), the Cantius and Plesiadapus primate series, and the hominid series. Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected by macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact. It certainly CANNOT be said that traditional creation theory expected (predicted) any of these fossil finds.
Dr. Kurt Wise, YE Creationist, Toward a Creationist Understanding of Transitional Forms

They just look at the evidence without a presupposition of naturalism and reductionism, and as a result, it comes up lacking.

See above. Dr. Wise starts with a presupposition of special creationism, but is honest enough to admit that the evidence for hominid evolution is "surely strong."

Knowing what one is talking about, is a huge advantage.
 
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As those who believe in special creation have maintained all along, all fossils of supposed ape-to-man transitions are either fully ape or fully human.

Well, let's take a look at that assumption...

We'll look some modern apes, typical of forest apes, some transitional hominins, and modern humans.

Some pelvises:
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From left to right: chimpanzee, Australopithecine, H. erectus, H. sapiens.
As you see, there's a transition from the narrow, deep forest ape pelvis,with a narrow opening for birth canal, to a wider, shallow pelvis with a larger opening. And it makes perfect sense. Notice the first change was wider hips, permitting efficient bipedal walking. Australopithecines were upright walkers. Noticethat the increase in the pelvic opening permitted birth of babies with larger heads. And not surprisingly, the largest change in skull capacity was between Australopithecines and H. erectus.

Let's move on...

Some knees:
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Notice humans and Australopithecines have the femur angled inward. This allows efficient bipedal motion at the knee joint. Notice also that the Australopithecine example is again transitional between chimpanzees and humans.

This is why YE creationist Dr. Kurt Wise admits that these hominid transitional series are "surely strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory."

Did you catch that? Since the foot bones and hand bones of Lucy and Turkana boy were never discovered, it's simply an assumption, rather than a provable fact, that they had evolved past an arboreal (tree-dwelling) lifestyle.

See above. No question about it. Australopithecines walked upright. But there's more....

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Views of an A. africanus foot bone,showing that it walked upright. Your guy apparently had no idea about any of this. Does this suggest to you why it's not a good idea to ask your barber about getting your car fixed?
 
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Perhaps good old Charlie was right all along too:

Why is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain: and this perhaps is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory.

The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record.

In the first place it should always be borne in mind what sort of intermediate forms must, on my theory, have formerly existed. I have found it difficult, when looking at any two species, to avoid picturing to myself, forms directly intermediate between them. But this is a wholly false view; we should always look for forms intermediate between each species and a common but unknown progenitor; and the progenitor will generally have differed in some respects from all its modified descendants. To give a simple illustration: the fantail and pouter pigeons have both descended from the rock-pigeon; if we possessed all the intermediate varieties which have ever existed, we should have an extremely close series between both and the rock-pigeon; but we should have no varieties directly intermediate between the fantail and pouter; none, for instance, combining a tail somewhat expanded with a crop somewhat enlarged, the characteristic features of these two breeds. These two breeds, moreover, have become so much modified, that if we had no historical or indirect evidence regarding their origin, it would not have been possible to have determined from a mere comparison of their structure with that of the rock-pigeon, whether they had descended from this species or from some other allied species, such as C. oenas.

So with natural species, if we look to forms very distinct, for instance to the horse and tapir, we have no reason to suppose that links ever existed directly intermediate between them, but between each and an unknown common parent. The common parent will have had in its whole organisation much general resemblance to the tapir and to the horse; but in some points of structure may have differed considerably from both, even perhaps more than they differ from each other. Hence in all such cases, we should be unable to recognise the parent-form of any two or more species, even if we closely compared the structure of the parent with that of its modified descendants, unless at the same time we had a nearly perfect chain of the intermediate links.
Charles Darwin, On the Origin of Species, p. 293.

Darwin's prediction turned out to have been correct. As you learned, even honest YE creationists admit that the fossil record is "strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory."

Yes, Charlie was right, all along.
 
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Those who believe in special creation aren't ignorant or stupid. They just look at the evidence without a presupposition of naturalism and reductionism, and as a result, it comes up lacking.

If you assume what you are looking at is not natural, you have taken a leap away from human observation. I usually assume nature to look natural.
 
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If you assume what you are looking at is not natural, you have taken a leap away from human observation. I usually assume nature to look natural.

Miracles are not simply naturals occurrences. If you had been there when a donkey spoke I am quite sure you would have had to take a step back from a natural observation and realize it was supernatural.
 
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Miracles are not simply naturals occurrences. If you had been there when a donkey spoke I am quite sure you would have had to take a step back from a natural observation and realize it was supernatural.

Miracles are not contrary to nature, but only contrary to what we know about nature - St. Augustine
 
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This article is the most stunning admission for the lack of fossil evidence for human evolution that I've ever read. The author presents his own alternative, the aquatic ape theory, which he admits cannot possibly be demonstrated by fossil evidence.

It seems really desperate that he would even present an alternative to the mainstream view, while admitting that it cannot be supported by the evidence, just to maintain his belief in human evolution.

Acclaimed fossils might not depict human evolution



Those who believe in special creation aren't ignorant or stupid. They just look at the evidence without a presupposition of naturalism and reductionism, and as a result, it comes up lacking.

That atheist health food Doctor Gundry mentioned that aquatic ape baloney - I wondered where he got that from.

That’s why evolutionary theory isn’t science - it’s not falsifiable - with every dead-end, they just invent a new rabbit trail to follow.
 
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That’s why evolutionary theory isn’t science - it’s not falsifiable - with every dead-end, they just invent a new rabbit trail to follow.

The author of the "falsibility criterion" claims that evolutionary theory is falsible. For example, it predicts that a well-adapted population in a constant environment will change very little, a prediction that has frequently been confirmed. It also predicts that such population will change if the environment changes, which has also been confirmed.

And I just showed you a testable case regarding the evolution of the mammalian ear, which has been confirmed by fossil, embryological, and genetic data.

Perhaps you don't know what "science" means. What do you think it means?
 
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