why some never get saved

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hello all. been doing a lot of soul searching about getting saved, and the question popped into my mind, why is it that some dont get saved? ray comfort and todd friel would say 1. because people love their sin. and 2. because they thought they had done so much bad, 5hat they couldnt be saved. both are interesting ideas. but for me, i think its something different.

i find i have a lack of repentance. specifically over sexual sin. i have a hard time accepting that 2 adults married can have sex 20 times a day, yet the unmarried cant have sex at all. i have a real problem with that. i feel like single people get a raw deal in this regards.

i believe i have to find a way around this or i'll never get salvation. but is it dangerous to question a rule concerning this? can a person be past repentance if they think like this for too long?
 

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hello all. been doing a lot of soul searching about getting saved, and the question popped into my mind, why is it that some dont get saved? ray comfort and todd friel would say 1. because people love their sin. and 2. because they thought they had done so much bad, 5hat they couldnt be saved. both are interesting ideas. but for me, i think its something different.

i find i have a lack of repentance. specifically over sexual sin. i have a hard time accepting that 2 adults married can have sex 20 times a day, yet the unmarried cant have sex at all. i have a real problem with that. i feel like single people get a raw deal in this regards.

i believe i have to find a way around this or i'll never get salvation. but is it dangerous to question a rule concerning this? can a person be past repentance if they think like this for too long?
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11 And he said, “There was a man who had two sons. 12 And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of property that is coming to me.’ And he divided his property between them. 13 Not many days later, the younger son gathered all he had and took a journey into a far country, and there he squandered his property in reckless living. 14 And when he had spent everything, a severe famine arose in that country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out toa]">[a] one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs. 16 And he was longing to be fed with the pods that the pigs ate, and no one gave him anything.

17 “But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father's hired servants have more than enough bread, but I perish here with hunger! 18 I will arise and go to my father, and I will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Treat me as one of your hired servants.”’ 20 And he arose and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21 And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’b]">[b] 22 But the father said to his servants,c]">[c] ‘Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. 23 And bring the fattened calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate. 24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.’ And they began to celebrate.
 
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hello all. been doing a lot of soul searching about getting saved, and the question popped into my mind, why is it that some dont get saved? ray comfort and todd friel would say 1. because people love their sin. and 2. because they thought they had done so much bad, 5hat they couldnt be saved. both are interesting ideas. but for me, i think its something different.

i find i have a lack of repentance. specifically over sexual sin. i have a hard time accepting that 2 adults married can have sex 20 times a day, yet the unmarried cant have sex at all. i have a real problem with that. i feel like single people get a raw deal in this regards.

i believe i have to find a way around this or i'll never get salvation. but is it dangerous to question a rule concerning this? can a person be past repentance if they think like this for too long?

Think of the days of Noah. During his time, how many of Noah friends believe that a flood was coming?

Zero.

Thus it is no difference now.
 
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I try to follow and believe in a 5 pt calvinist theology.

Then I find it a little strange you don't mention the natural state of man, apart from God, and the utter grace of God in salvation.

Who gets saved is the Elect alone. Therefore, since all are naturally at enmity with God and are unable to repent, apart from the work of God, those who don't get saved is by rejection of the Gospel, and even rejection of the knowledge of God (per Romans 1). They are sinners --that is why some never get saved. The elect too are sinners, but saved by the grace of God.

The difference is the grace of God.
 
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Then I find it a little strange you don't mention the natural state of man, apart from God, and the utter grace of God in salvation.
The difference is the grace of God.

faith without works is dead. I can believe all the live long day, but if I still commit the same sin day after day after day, in this case for 30 something years, my faith is dead. that is how I know i'm not saved. and that sin doesn't bother me when I commit it. I confess that sin, fully expecting to give in to that sin tomorrow. that's how I know i'm not saved.
 
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faith without works is dead. I can believe all the live long day, but if I still commit the same sin day after day after day, in this case for 30 something years, my faith is dead. that is how I know i'm not saved. and that sin doesn't bother me when I commit it. I confess that sin, fully expecting to give in to that sin tomorrow. that's how I know i'm not saved.
Then you don't believe the gospel, which is demonstrated within the five points. If you are not saved, you are not forgiven. There is no point in confessing your sin if you don't repent. Your confession is not truly confessing --it is merely acknowledging that you are corrupt.
 
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I cant repent. I have tried, yet it wasnt meant to be. So basically what you’re saying is, i should stop wasting my time trying to get saved, and just accept that im going to hell. All because i disagree with the whole sexual immorality thing. Trust me, i have thought this very thought many times over.
 
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Sexual sin is mans possibly greatest mountain to overcome. But make no mistake about it you're in a snare thinking what you are. We brothers and sisters in Christ can lead you through an entire bible study on this topic but you need to let Jesus through His Holy Spirit turn your heart. It's not in your strength to overcome this but His. And it can take you down. We have an enemy who rob kills and destroys and he is nowhere more present than in our sexual allusions.
 
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I cant repent. I have tried, yet it wasnt meant to be. So basically what you’re saying is, i should stop wasting my time trying to get saved, and just accept that im going to hell. All because i disagree with the whole sexual immorality thing. Trust me, i have thought this very thought many times over.

When we come to Christ not one of us comes because we cleaned ourselves up first. We come for the very reason we finally realized We Can't. I came broken beyond my own reconciliation never mind His. We need Him to do that. Once we have Him we gain tools and ammunition, and a sword and armor of God on our side. He will do the cleaning, it's called sanctification which is a process. What we do ? Respond. Somehow, some way, down the road we begin to find ourselves set free if we live in His word, His ways. Sexual sin is way bigger than us and literally our enemy's playground.

Feel free to pm me.
 
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I cant repent. I have tried, yet it wasnt meant to be. So basically what you’re saying is, i should stop wasting my time trying to get saved, and just accept that im going to hell. All because i disagree with the whole sexual immorality thing. Trust me, i have thought this very thought many times over.
Actually, I'm not saying that at all, though I agree, you can't 'get saved' as the longtime Christian notion of the work of man is concerned. Regeneration is the work of God, not of man. As you agree with the five points, if you understand them you agree that the unregenerate cannot repent, but also has no interest in repentance and submission. You really don't know if you can repent or not --you are just tired of being played. I am very familiar with the concept.

The current climate of Christianity, and I don't know how long it has been so, is to concentrate on certain things as of prime importance, in part because the Bible is also insistent on the idea of not being governed by the flesh. The Bible also says that the one who practices sin is submitting himself to be the slave of sin. But what Christianity is remiss in admitting, is that the flesh is not of itself the sin, but that it rebels. The desire is not sin. But Christianity has gone beyond that to do what the Bible specifically deals with --the hypocritical apprehension to the law to the point of going beyond the law. We have become a law unto ourselves in ignoring the two major laws (love God with all your being, and love your neighbor as yourself) by defining them according to "if you love me, you will keep my commandments", the most obvious ones being of the nature of giving in to desires of the flesh. But, "Although these have a reputation for wisdom by promoting self-made religion, false humility, and severe treatment of the body, they are not of any value in curbing self-indulgence." (Colossians 2:23) In the NIV it says: "Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence."

You have probably already thought about this, but since you couldn't resolve it, have given up thinking about it: Your body desires food. It is both pleasurable and necessary. The sin is the excess, and the indulgence in actual deeds prohibited by God.

These things must not be dealt with as the only evidence of unGodliness. You may be satisfied with your fair treatment of others, for example, but is God? Are lies no worse than sexual excess? They can certainly be more subtle.

As reformed, we know God is in control of all things, and, I hate to say it, because this fact is harmful to God, yet he does it for his own sake: That in spite or our great sins and self-importance, we are precisely where he has planned for us to be at this point. Your obedience is the work of God --not that it isn't also yours to do, but it will not happen but by God's work. I'm not saying that you must wait til you see or comprehend God changing that sin, but that you must press on nonetheless.

Also, in the end, we are not our own judges, but God is.

Meanwhile, I urge you to read the whole Bible looking for an answer to this, until you find your focus being adjusted. Particularly, in the Gospels, and in Paul's references to the subject, look for how Jesus lived without sin, and without a sexual partner or sexual excess. He was no less human than you and I are. He depended on his Father in Heaven, not on his own Godhood.

God may have a reason more important than even obedience to take you through this: He is producing, if you are indeed of the elect, in you the precise member of the Body of Christ, and the Bride of Christ, that he intended for you to be when he founded the universe, and when he created you. If you think you are not of the elect, you are being used for HIS specific purpose for which he created you --his glory, (which is an astounding fact in and of itself), and you would do well to talk to him about it. Remember John 6:37 "All that My Father gives Me will come to Me; and the one who comes to Me I will most certainly not cast out."

I'm with you here, bro. My own situation is not resolved either, and I tire of 'being played'; I give up far too easily, yet I have come love him and need him more desperately than ever (which is a good thing) and to be constantly more and more amazed at his forebearance and forgiveness of what he KNEW I would be like when he made me for his purposes. His agony is becoming my pain. My admiration of him has squeezed out questions of whether I am even of the elect, in favor of the expectation ('hope') of "seeing him as he is", except when I turn my back for any length of time for the purpose of self-indulgence.

Also, much much scripture memory is wonderful in bringing to mind to you the things you already know to be true, when your flesh would rather have forgotten them. Don't be lazy.

Try not to be a glutton. I like the NIV in Song of Solomon, where the KJV says, "...stir not up nor awake my love, until he please.”, the NIV says, "...Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires." I'm not going to speculate which is more accurate --the point is the same, I think --do not overindulge. And lest you have forgotten, the body is trainable. God bless you, bro. If my spirit is any witness, you are indeed of the elect. I'm with you here.
 
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I cant repent. I have tried, yet it wasnt meant to be. So basically what you’re saying is, i should stop wasting my time trying to get saved, and just accept that im going to hell. All because i disagree with the whole sexual immorality thing. Trust me, i have thought this very thought many times over.

The flesh and sin go hand in hand. Yes to repent means do a 180 not a 360 lol. NO ONE here can save you. Do you believe Jesus came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day is seated at the right hand of the Father and is the only way to the Father? If yes then you ARE written in the lambs book of life. Jesus can not die again for ANY sin you do. That one sacrifice was once for all.

Theres no such thing as "I can't repent it wasn't meant to be". Its just a lie meaning you don't want to because you know what it means. Ya got to get past thinking its just something I like to do yet GOD does not want me to. Take sex out side of marriage.. not the other your truly thinking about.. just your self. Some "feeling" that lol for so many only lasts a few min. Yet if you truly want to think about it.. your not in control but being controlled. Your just a slave and you will obey it.

See its not that GOD does not want us to have fun.. HIS fun out weights the enemy. The SIN is just a door that leads you AWAY from the Father where He no longer has any say and the enemy can do what ever he wants. Sin is only fun for a season. What you and I can not control have no say over is GODS laws. Sin has a price in this world and it will be paid. Sin the wages is death and it will come some way some how maybe not today maybe not at you but at those you love.. because WE opened a door to something that we have no authority over.

Why do you think Christ said "Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.”

Sin always has a price. He came to set YOU free. Did you know that? I LOVE thinking about this.. next time the stars are out or its just morning go out look around. Did you know He made all of that for you? As if you were the only one that would believe. He came because He knew if something was not done you would be lost forever from HIM! NO ONE loves you like Him. You are the most important one to Him. See HES GOD so when He says it its true.. yet HOW He does this for all.. and to just think about that.. oh is SO wonderful!

STOP focusing on SIN! You just TALK to Him like a friend.. "Jesus.. man I love sin (sex what ever) I am having such a hard time NOT wanting to do it. Please help me" THATS IT! He LOVES YOU! A few things in my life but one was acid rock music.. oh I LOVE MUSIC always have. Born again spirit filed and loved Acid Rock. Those do not go hand in hand. yet one day out of no where.. I just didn't want to listen to it any more. HE really helps! Your not alone.. you are saved.. you are living forever know.

He is not waiting for you to become righteous sinless holy. HE DID THAT For you because you will never be able to. No we don't always have to sin but.. we do so many times not even thinking about it. You believe in JESUS yes? So in GODS eyes you are in right standing with Him (righteousness). Because GOD is faithful to what CHRIST did not what you will ever do. Its as rages to Him. Yeah CHRIST right now is with you in you loves you is NOT against you is NOT WILL NOT condemn you. He is not like man. He said I LOVE YOU.. I WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU!

HE said to YOU "what I started in YOU I will finish". Focus on Him not the sin. HAHA you think we all don't have something we have a hard time letting go? The enemy has lied to you.. GOD would never say "you can't repent any more' just flip those thoughts. And what you said HERE? Say to Him.. then KNOW no matter what HE WILL help you. Ask Him to show you WHY is wrong.. He will. Don't do it because man says it.. God said it and you have a right to know why. You are SO LOVED SO BLESSED! Praying .. in JESUS Name!
 
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I try to follow and believe in a 5 pt calvinist theology.
Since you believe in Calvinism's idea of predestination/election, then you must believe the reason some men will never be saved is because God does not love all men and only chose the men He loves to be saved leaving the rest of the men God hates to be lost. Therefore being lost is due to a culpability on the part of God's choosing and not any culpability of man's choosing.
 
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I believe that at some point, we can reach a time where we simply have passed repentance, and i base this off of esau. He tried to repent but found that he couldnt.
I believe the ASV translates Hebrews 12:17 giving the accurate meaning;
For ye know that even when he afterward desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected; for he found no place for a change of mind in his father, though he sought it diligently with tears.

It's not that Esau could not repent but that he could not get his father Isaac to repent, that is, to change Isaac's mind about giving the blessing to Jacob though Esau sought in tears to change Isaac's mind, Genesis 27:34-38.
Calvinist Albert Barnes says of Hebrews 12:17:
"That is, no place for repentance “in the mind of isaac,” or no way to change his mind. It does not mean that Esau earnestly sought to repent and could not, but that when once the blessing had passed the lips of his father, he found it impossible to change it."
 
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Since you believe in Calvinism's idea of predestination/election, then you must believe the reason some men will never be saved is because God does not love all men and only chose the men He loves to be saved leaving the rest of the men God hates to be lost. Therefore being lost is due to a culpability on the part of God's choosing and not any culpability of man's choosing.
Or, '...does not love all men equally, or with the same purpose for them.' You assume culpability simply because of cause and intent. The culpability is on the part of the agent who is rebellious to the core, against his own creator.

In other words, you are misrepresenting Calvinism.
 
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