Calvinism and its Secret Universalism

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Sure it is. If we don't choose God where do we go?
I totally disagree with what you said. We all sin.
And we all deserve hell. I’m not sure how you can disagree with that.
 
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That’s in reference to to church at Rome.
Yes and if you read the Bible you would know that Paul frequently wrote similar warnings to other believers as well - so it does not, as you infer, only apply to the Roman church. Its God's will for believers to take heed of these warnings - this obedience is in your best interest and does not as you say, make God subserviently to you.

1 Corinthians 15:2 - By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Hebrews 3:6 - But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Hebrews 3:14 - For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

1 Thessalonians 3:8 - For now we live, if ye stand fast in the Lord.

Hebrews 10:23 - Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised)​
 
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And we all deserve hell. I’m not sure how you can disagree with that.
I don't disagree with that but Jesus died to free us from our sins. If we refuse him when he gave his life for us why should we be able to go to heaven? Hell seems a just reward for those that deny God.
 
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Yes and Paul frequently wrote similar warnings to other believers as well. Its God's will for believers to take heed of these warnings - it does not as you say, make God subserviently to you. I just stick to the Bible.

1 Corinthians 15:2 - By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Hebrews 3:6 - But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Hebrews 3:14 - For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

1 Thessalonians 3:8 - For now we live, if ye stand fast in the Lord.

Hebrews 10:23 - Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised)​
I’m not sure how posting random verses helps.
 
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I don't disagree with that but Jesus died to free us from our sins. If we refuse him when he gave his life for us why should we be able to go to heaven? Hell seems a just reward for those that deny God.
Hell isn’t for those who reject Him. Hell is just punishment for sin.
 
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I’m not sure how posting random verses helps.
I'm not being random. You refuted one of my earlier posts saying it applied to the church of Rome - so I showed Paul gave the same warning to others. Sometimes my gifting of being logical is wasted per the audience.

I don't see you backing up any of your reasoning with scripture - one wonders why that is.
 
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Hell isn’t for those who reject Him. Hell is just punishment for sin.
The good news, i.e. Gospel, spells out a way to avoid this judgement per Act 2:38, as anyone reading the Bible would know. ReturnToSender is right, Hell is only for those who reject that way out.
 
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Hell isn’t for those who reject Him. Hell is just punishment for sin.
WOW, scratching head? What's going on with you? Where have you been? What you just said would mean heaven is empty and hell is full. We all sin.
Do you participate whilst driving your semi? Pull over, you need some sleep. You've got road kill in your brain. Your arguments aren't making any sense. That's not like you
 
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I'm not being random. You refuted one of my earlier posts saying it applied to the church of Rome - so I showed Paul gave the same warning to others. Sometimes my gifting of being logical is wasted per the audience.

I don't see you backing up any of your reasoning with scripture - one wonders why that is.
Why do you think they mean the same thing?
 
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The good news, i.e. Gospel, spells out a way to avoid this judgement per Act 2:38, as anyone reading the Bible would know. ReturnToSender is right, Hell is only for those who reject that way out.
Hell is for those who sin against God.
 
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WOW, scratching head? What's going on with you? Where have you been? What you just said would mean heaven is empty and hell is full. We all sin.
Do you participate whilst driving your semi? Pull over, you need some sleep. You've got road kill in your brain. Your arguments aren't making any sense. That's not like you
You are starting to get it. Heaven should be empty. Thankfully, God is gracious and has chosen to save some.
 
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I know God choses to save some. What He saves us from is hell, which we deserve because of sin.
So you don't believe that Jesus died to save us from our sins?
Is somebody posting in your place. This does not sound like anything you would post.
 
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So you don't believe that Jesus died to save us from our sins?
Is somebody posting in your place. This does not sound like anything you would post.
I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion from my posts.
 
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Once again that’s just you being dismissive and surface level towards the other side. It’s a waste of those thousands and thousands of messages you write when you aren’t even willing to explain their view in a way that they recognise.



I suppose you won’t bother to read or cite the epistle any longer, since not only are you unaware of if Christ died for your sins (e.g. limited atonement,) but you’re also not the intended audience.

I’m still waiting on you to interact with that massive section of exegesis on what the phase “the world” means in 1 John 2, unless you’re more into writing about how long you’ve done this. You know, the really big issues.

I suppose the fussy work of trying to explain how epistles work is more important to you than defining what John intends by writing “the world” in the chapter we are discussing.
He's not being dismissive or surface level with you, you just think you're deeper than you really are...
 
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Fortunately God provides a way out for us.

Acts 2:36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” 40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” 41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.


Acts 2:36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” 38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” 40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” 41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

God does the heart work of regeneration which is why they asked, "what shall we do?" It wasn't a freewill decisional regeneration but God doing the work.
 
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