JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

Bob S · Jun 14, 2021

Ex 19: 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.” (note: it doesn't say Gentiles. The covenant was strictly with Israel.)
The covenant given at Sinai covenant was a conditional covenant. Conditional covenants are based on certain obligations and prerequisites; if the requirements are not fulfilled, the covenant is broken. Everything in the covenant becomes void. It is useless. In the case of the Sinai covenant the Israelites broke the conditions of the covenant and since it was a conditional covenant nothing within the covenant is binding and this does include the weekly Sabbath requirement.

Anyone that believes otherwise is not in accordance with scripture.

Titus Dorn · Jun 14, 2021

If we try to keep any of the old law we are a debtor to do the WHOLE Law,

Galatians 5:3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor TO KEEP THE WHOLE LAW.

Galatians 5:1 Standfast therefore in the LIBERTY by which Christ has made US FREE, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of BONDAGE.

Galatians 5:4 You have become ESTRANGED FORM CHRIST, you who ATTEMPT TO BE JUSTIFIED BY LAW; YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE.

None of the new testament writers used the wisdom of men. It was the Holy Spirit that spoke through the apostles. God breathed the old and new testaments.

Hebrews 1:1-2 God who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things through whom also He made the worlds;

Jesus ascended into heaven and promised His Holy Spirit would guide His chosen apostles into all truth.

Mark 16:15-16; 17;19-20
And he said to them(apostles) Go into al, the world and preach the GOSPEL to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

And they(apostles) went out and preached everywhere, THE LORD WORKING WITH THEM AND CONFIRMING THE WORD THROUGH THE ACCOMPANYING SIGNS AMEN.

Luke 24:49 Behold I send the PROMISE of My Father upon you(apostles); but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.

Acts 1:4-5 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the PROMISE of the Father, which He said. You have heard from Me. For John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.

Acts 2:1-2;4 When the Day of Penetcost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Paul also is given the power from on high and becomes a chosen vessel of Jesus Christ.

Acts 9:4;6;15;17 Then he(Paul) fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?

So trembling and astonished, he said, Lord what do you want me to do? Then the Lord said to him, Arise and go to the city and you will be told what you must do.

But the Lord said to him(Ananias), Go for he is a CHOSEN VESSEL OF MINE to bear My name before the Gentiles, kings and the children of Israel.

And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road to Damascus, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

All of the apostles spoke not of themselves but from God guiding them through the Holy Spirit,

John 16:13-15
However when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority but whatever He hears He will speak; and He WILL TELL YOU THINGS TO COME. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what in Mine and DECLARE IT TO YOU. All things that the Father has are mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine AND DECLARE IT TO YOU. A little while and you will not see Me; and again a little while and you will see Me, because I go to the Father.

Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spoke to them(apostles) saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and of Holy Spirit, TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS THAT I HAVE COMMANDED YOU; AND LO, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, EVEN TO THE END OF THE AGE. Amen.

Acts 2:42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Matthew 10:14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words when you depart from that house or city, shake the dust from your feet. Assuredly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgement than for that city!

When any of the apostles give commands it is the lord who is giving these commandments. For they are the Lords commandments,

Galatians 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 2:1 And I went up by REVELATION AND COMMUNICATED TO THEM THAT GOSPEL WHICH I PREACH among the Gentiles but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain.

Galatians 5:;3-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us FREE. AND DO NOT BE ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH A YOKE OF BONDAGE.

And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that HE IS A DEBTOR TO KEEP THE WHOLE LAW.

You have become ESTRANGED FROM CHRIST, YOU WHO ATTEMPT TO BE JUSTIFIED BY LAW; YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE.

Revelation 22:18-19
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of this prophecy of this book: If anyone ADDS to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;

And if anyone TAKES AWAY from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book Of Life, from the Holy city and from the things which are written in this book.

Leaf473 · Jun 14, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
So what's your solution then, keep all of them or none of them?

What do you think this verse means? Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Colossians, New Living Translation
2:11 When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision—the cutting away of your sinful nature.

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My/God's solution was to have my sinful nature cut away.

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For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life...

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New Life in Christ. Not under the guardianship of the law. My actions are often the same as when I was restrained by the law, but not always.

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...because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead.

You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross.

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And the result of the new life in Christ is that the record of charges against me was canceled by the cross.

LoveGodsWord · Jun 14, 2021

Titus Dorn said:
Not one SDA today observes the Sabbath according to Gods commands. Therefore what anyone claims today to be sabbath keeping is not according to Gods law. It is in fact a misinterpretation of the old testament sabbath.

Really? I guess the Pharisees also thought that about Jesus *John 5:16-18; Matthew 12:10; Mark 3:2, John 9:14-16 who was the Lord and creator of the Sabbath that he made for all mankind *Mark 2:27-28. Funny how some people think they know more about the Sabbath than the creator and Lord of the Sabbath and seek to judge others in regards to breaking the Sabbath isn't it *Romans 2:1-12?

LoveGodsWord · Jun 14, 2021

Titus Dorn said:
The Mosical law has been abolished by Jesus Christ.

What are you defining as the Mosaic law that has been abolished in Jesus? I am only asking for clarification so there is no misunderstanding here.

Titus Dorn said:
Hebrews 8:13 In that He says, A new covenant, He has made the first OBSOLETE. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

What does the writer of Hebrews say the new covenant is in the context of Hebrews 8:13 which is Hebrews 8:10-12 and where is the writer quoting from in the old testament scriptures and what do you think Hebrews 8:10-12 mean?

Titus Dorn said:
Christians will be lost if we try to bind the old Mosaical law on Gods people today. Observing the law of Moses causes those who have been made free in Christ to be put back under bondage,

What do you mean by "Mosaic law"? It is true there are many "shadow laws" for remission of sins from the old covenant that are now fulfilled and continued in Christ and His ministration in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man (e.g. circumcision, Levitical Priesthood, burnt offerings and sin offerings, earthly Sanctuary service, Feast days etc). Of course the above are not the same as Gods' eternal laws (10 commandments) that give us the knowledge of good and evil. You do know that the purpose of God's law (the 10 commandments) in the new covenant is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing through breaking Gods law) and righteousness (moral right doing through obedience to Gods' law) right *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and if we break anyone of Gods 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11.

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LoveGodsWord · Jun 14, 2021

Titus Dorn said:
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ HAS MADE US FREE, and do NOT be entangled again with a yoke of BONDAGE. Galatians 5:2-4 Indeed I Paul say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again TO EVERY MAN who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. YOU HAVE BECOME ESTRANGED FROM CHRIST, YOU WHO ATTEMPT TO BE JUSTIFIED BY LAW; YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE.

"Circumcision" (Galatians 5:1-4) is not one of God's eternal laws (10 commandments) and is one of those "shadow laws" that point to the new covenant promise of a new heart through faith to love God and walk in His law and to be obedient to Gods' law (see Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. It has nothing to do with being now free to breaking God's laws as circumcision was a sign of righteousness that we receive through believing and following God's Word *Romans 4:11. This is why Paul says to the Corinthians believers after the council of Jerusalem in Acts of the Apostles 15, "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God *1 Corinthians 7:19. Faith according to the scriptures does not abolish Gods' law according to Paul it establishes Gods' law in all those who believe and follow God's Word *Romans 3:31. We are not justified by keeping the law of course. Gods' law does not save us it only shows us that we are all sinners in need of Gods' grace and leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25; 1 John 1:9; Ephesians 2:8-9.

"Circumcision of the flesh" was a sign of the coming of the new covenant of "circumcision through the Spirit" of the new covenant...

DEUTERONOMY 30:6 [6] And the LORD your God will CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.

JEREMIAH 4:4 [4] CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

DEUTERONOMY 10:16 [16] CIRCUMCISE therefore THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.

NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…

ROMANS 2 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.
1 CORINTHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

This is the operation of GOD in the NEW COVENANT…HEBREWS 8 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people

My dear friend, according to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9 but Gods grace is so we can be obedient to the faith *Romans 1:5. Obedience to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

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LoveGodsWord · Jun 14, 2021

Titus Dorn said:
There has been a change in law from the old covenant to the new covenant. We are no longer under the old covenant but the covenant Jesus Christ has established, Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being CHANGED, OF NECESSITY there is also A CHANGE OF LAW.

Check your scriptures. Hebrews 7:12 it not talking about God's 10 commandments. The context your leaving out of Hebrews 7:1-25 is talking about a change of the laws of the Priesthood not Gods' 10 commandments.

Only Levites could be Priests in an earthly Sanctuary according to the old covenant laws (see Exodus 28; Exodus 29; Leviticus 8; 9 and 10). Jesus was from the tribe of Judah not Levi so there needed to be a change in the Priesthood laws to accommodate this....

Hebrews 7:11-16
[11], If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[12], For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[13], For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[14], For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
[15], And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there rises another priest,
[16], Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

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LoveGodsWord · Jun 14, 2021

Titus Dorn said:
Galatians 6:2 Bear one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ. Epheasians 2:14-16 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of seperation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES(Law of Moses), so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.

The first day of the week is holy because Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday not saturday.

John 20:1;14 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, while it was still dark and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.

14 Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there and did not know that it was Jesus

Holy: dedicated or consecrated to God; sacred.

Christians worship on the first day of the week because Jesus' resurrection was on Sunday. This is a Holy day because we set this day apart for worship to God. Worship of God is a Holy practice.

Acts 20:7 Now on the first day of the week when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

This day is set apart by God and is commanded to be kept.

Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another and so much the more as you see the day approaching.

The breaking of bread that is done on the first day of the week, Acts 20:7, is the memorial of Christ's death on the cross.

Acts 2:42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread and in prayers.

Matthew 26:26-28 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed it and broke it and gave it to the disciples and said, Take eat; this is My body. Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink from it all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

1Corinthians 11:23-30 For I received from the Lord that which I also delieved to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, Take eat, this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me. In the same manner He also took the cup after the supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me. For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lords DEATH till He comes. Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgement to himself, not discerning the Lords body.

1Corinthians 11:34 But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, lest you come together for judgement. And the rest I will set in order when I come.

So your point is here? Where does it say in anyone of these scriptures that God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - There is not one scripture. The scriptures also teach that God's people met every day of the week breaking bread together and praising God in Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47 does that make every day a holy day of rest according to the scriptures? -Nope.

LoveGodsWord · Jun 14, 2021

Titus Dorn said:
The Lords supper is a communion, communion in Greek is koinonia it means partnership. This communion is with Christ. We are United with Christ in this memorial. We have fellowship with Jesus while partaking of the Lords supper. This is a Holy memorial, observance because in it we have fellowship with Christ. Are united with Christ. Are in communion with Christ. This observance is Holy worship done on the first day of the week, Acts 20:7. 1Corinthians 10:16-18 The cup of blessing which we bless is it not the COMMUNION of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the COMMUNION of the body of Christ? For we though many, are one bread and one body; for we all, partake of that one bread. Observe Israel after the flesh: Are not those who eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?

Acts of the Apostles 20:7 simply says [7], And on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached to them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

A few things your reading into the scriptures that the scriptures do not say or teach is that the term "breaking of bread" means communion but it does also does not say in the scriptures that they were having communion. The scripture simply says that the disciples met together on the Sunday because Paul was leaving the next day and that they broke break. Every time we see the words broke or breaking bread does not mean communion it can also mean having a meal or sharing a meal together. Secondly there is nothing in this scripture that says even if it was communion that it is restricted to Sunday as shown in Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47...

Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47 [46], And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, [47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

So your trying to read into the scriptures what they do not say or teach here.

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LoveGodsWord · Jun 14, 2021

Titus Dorn said:
Christians are commanded to worship on the first day of the week, Hebrews 10:25; Acts 20:7; 1Corinthians16:1-2; 1Corinthians 11:23-30. Nowhere in the new covenant are we commanded to keep the Sabbath and no penalty for not keeping it.

There is absolutely no truth in your claims here according to the scriptures. All of your claims here are not biblical and cannot be supported by scripture. There is not one scripture in all of God's Word and in any of the scriptures you have provided here that teaches that Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest.

You made the claim here that "Christians are commanded to worship on the first day of the week in Hebrews 10:25; Acts 20:7; 1Corinthians16:1-2; 1Corinthians 11:23-30? Please show me where any of these scriptures say we are commanded to worship God on the first day of the week? Not a single scripture you have provided here says we are commanded to worship God on the first day of the week. If you disagree here please provide the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *James 2:10-11; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - There is none. Sunday worship over Gods' 4th commandment is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break Gods' 10 commandments. Jesus says that if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. So the question remain who should we believe and follow, God or man? *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

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LoveGodsWord · Jun 14, 2021

Titus Dorn said:
Not properly keeping the Sabbath; working, not preparing the shewbread, not staying at home, not preparing the animal sacrifice, not burning incense, not going to Jerusalem to worship three times a year and not putting to death those who do not observe the Sabbath according to Gods commands. Must be put to death themselves

We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant. Even in the old covenant no one was required to stay at home. Exodus 16 was a reference to not collecting manna on the Sabbath and preparing for the Sabbath the day before the Sabbath was to start. Animal sacrifices for sin offerings were made every day in the earthly Sanctuary for atonement for sin are now fulfilled in Christ as Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all *Hebrews 10:10 and Jesus is now our great High Priest ministering on our behalf in the new covenant in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6.

Titus Dorn said:
Exodus 35:1-3 Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of ISRAEL together and said to them, THESE ARE THE WORDS WHICH THE LORD HAS COMMANDED YOU TO DO: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you , a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.

Once again we are in the new covenant now not the old covenant under the civil laws of the nation of Israel where the death penalty was for open public unrepentant sin. These death penalties of the old covenant for the nation of Israel under civil law were not unique to the Sabbath but were also applied to all of God’s 10 commandments and were a part of the civil laws of Moses to help teach God’s people that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) The same death penalty was given to anyone who was caught breaking 1st . Commandment, Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Deuteronomy 17:1-5; 14:6-10; Exodus 22:20); 2nd Commandment, Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any idols (Exodus 20:4; Deuteronomy 27: 15); 3rd Commandment, Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain (Exodus 20:7; Leviticus 24:16); 4th yep; 5th commandment and cursing there Mother and farther (Exodus 20:12; Exodus 21:15-17); 6th commandment thou shalt not kill (Exodus 20: 13; Leviticus 24:17; Numbers 35:31-33); 7th commandment thou shalt not commit Adultery (Exodus 20:14; Leviticus 20:10; John 8:3-5) etc.

The death penalties for open sin ceased during the time of Christ when Israel was under Roman law and at the death of Christ bringing in the NC. The death penalty is still in force today for those that do not repent before the time of judgement is finished (Romans 6:23; James 2:8-12).

The only difference today is that we are in the new covenant now so we no longer put people to open death and we are not in the nation of ISRAEL. The death penalty for sin is still the same however for those who reject the gift of God's dear son *Romans 6:23 but JESUS says Vengeance is mine and his reward will be with him at the 2nd coming *Romans 12:19-21; Revelation 22:11-14.

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Now what scripture supports your view that God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - Not a single one. Something we should all pray about I guess because according to the scriptures all those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom according to Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23. According to the scriptures in times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word he calls us to believe and follow what His Word says. If we choose to reject Gods Word in order to follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God according to Jesus we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9 and according to Paul if we continue in known unrepentant sin we will be in danger of the judgement in Hebrews 10:26-31. Something to pray about. Who do we believe and follow; God or man?

Hope this is helpful.

Titus Dorn · Jun 14, 2021

The Pharisees made many false accusations against Jesus. They also denied He was their Messiah. I am not making any accusation against Jesus. I am saying SDA do not keep the Sabbath according to how God commanded.

Sunday is the day Jesus rose from the dead,
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Verse 6 He is not here: FOR HE IS RISEN, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to BREAK BREAD, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the marrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
We know that this cannot be a simple meal because they were worshipping on the Lords day. Eating in church services is a sin condemned by God.
1Corinthians 11:22 What? Have ye not houses to eat and drink in? Or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

Paul in Galatians is not referring to only part of Moses' law but all of it.
Galatians 5:1; 3-4 Standfast wherefore in the LIBERTY wherewith Christ hath made us FREE, and be not ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE(law of Moses)

For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the WHOLE LAW.(Paul makes no division in the law of Moses)

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law(Paul makes no division in the law of Moses. Paul is referring to the whole law of Moses) ; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE..

Key verse to understand that Paul is speaking of the whole law of Moses is verse 4. Christ died to save us by FAITH in Him not by keeping the law of Moses, Christ's shed blood is of no effect if we try to be justified by keeping the old covenant, the law.

Galatians 2:16;18-21 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I MAKE MYSELF A TRANSGRESSOR. For I through the law am DEAD TO THE LAW. THAT I MIGHT LIVE UNTO GOD. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: FOR IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COME BY THE LAW, THEN CHRIST IS DEAD IN VAIN.

Hebrews 6:11-12;18-19
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being CHANGED, there is made of necessity a CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW.

For there is verily a DISANNULLING(make void) of the commandment going before the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw NIGH UNTO GOD. .......

Titus Dorn said:
Sabbath keeping belonged to the Jewish dispensation, Exodus 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
For the Sabbath to be binding today, the Old Testament would have to be binding today. The law of Moses which included the Sabbath command, has been done away, Colossians 2:14-17
Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements(law of Moses) that was against us, which was contrary to us. And HE HAS TAKEN IT OUT OF THE WAY, HAVING NAILED IT TO THE CROSS. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or SABBATHS. Which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

The Sabbath command was given to fleshly Isreal Exodus 20:1-2 And God spoke all these words saying: I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Exodus 31:12-13 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, Speak also to the children of Isreal saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you(jews) throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

Deuteronomy 5:1-3 And Moses called all Israel and said to them: Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgements which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them. The Lord our God made a COVENANT WITH US in Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, BUT WITH US, those who are here today, all of US who are alive.

If you keep the Sabbath day, were you among those brought out of Egypt?

If the Sabbath day is still binding, then in order to keep the Sabbath properly, you would have to:

Do no servile work, Exodus 35:1-3 Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together and said to them, These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.

Offer a burnt offering, Numbers 28:9-10 And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, and its drink offering- this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering.

Kindle no fire, Exodus 35:3

And not go out of your place, Exodus 16:29 See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

Do you do this?

Keeping the Sabbath day makes one a debtor to do the whole law, Galatians 5:3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

If you keep the Sabbath do you burn incense, offer animal sacrifices and go to Jerusalem to worship three times in a year?

We live under the law of Christ, Galatians 6:2 Bear one another's burdens and so fulfil the law of Christ.

And Christians are bound to keep the first day of the week, Acts 20:7; 1Corinthians 16:1-2
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come

In the new testament there is no command to keep the Sabbath day and no penalty for not keeping it.

pescador · Jun 14, 2021

Bob S said:
Ex 19: 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.” (note: it doesn't say Gentiles. The covenant was strictly with Israel.)
The covenant given at Sinai covenant was a conditional covenant. Conditional covenants are based on certain obligations and prerequisites; if the requirements are not fulfilled, the covenant is broken. Everything in the covenant becomes void. It is useless. In the case of the Sinai covenant the Israelites broke the conditions of the covenant and since it was a conditional covenant nothing within the covenant is binding and this does include the weekly Sabbath requirement.

Anyone that believes otherwise is not in accordance with scripture.

So, no Jews in heaven. Not even Paul. Is that the case?

SabbathBlessings · Jun 14, 2021

Titus Dorn said:
The Pharisees made many false accusations against Jesus. They also denied He was their Messiah. I am not making any accusation against Jesus. I am saying SDA do not keep the Sabbath according to how God commanded.

Sunday is the day Jesus rose from the dead,
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Verse 6 He is not here: FOR HE IS RISEN, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to BREAK BREAD, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the marrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
We know that this cannot be a simple meal because they were worshipping on the Lords day. Eating in church services is a sin condemned by God.
1Corinthians 11:22 What? Have ye not houses to eat and drink in? Or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

You do realize the days start from evening to evening. This meeting started on Sabbath and went late ending on the first day.

Perhaps you missed the part about Mary keeping Sabbath after Jesus rose.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

There is no Commandment from God to worship Him on the first day. God only made holy the seventh day and also told us to keep His Sabbath day holy. Exodus 20:8-11

God declared: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God.

Your argument is with God. God is our Creator and Savior and He tells us which day to worship Him. He wrote this commandment with His own finger. We should obey God over man.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 14, 2021

Leaf473 said:
Colossians, New Living Translation
2:11 When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision—the cutting away of your sinful nature.

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My/God's solution was to have my sinful nature cut away.

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For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life...

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New Life in Christ. Not under the guardianship of the law. My actions are often the same as when I was restrained by the law, but not always.

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...because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead.

You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross.

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And the result of the new life in Christ is that the record of charges against me was canceled by the cross.

Jesus has done all of this for us, does that give us a license to sin freely now? Or do we show our love back to Jesus for His great sacrifice by obeying?

LoveGodsWord · Jun 14, 2021

Titus Dorn said:
The Pharisees made many false accusations against Jesus. They also denied He was their Messiah. I am not making any accusation against Jesus. I am saying SDA do not keep the Sabbath according to how God commanded.

Sunday is the day Jesus rose from the dead,
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Verse 6 He is not here: FOR HE IS RISEN, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to BREAK BREAD, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the marrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
We know that this cannot be a simple meal because they were worshipping on the Lords day. Eating in church services is a sin condemned by God.
1Corinthians 11:22 What? Have ye not houses to eat and drink in? Or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

Paul in Galatians is not referring to only part of Moses' law but all of it.
Galatians 5:1; 3-4 Standfast wherefore in the LIBERTY wherewith Christ hath made us FREE, and be not ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE(law of Moses)

For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the WHOLE LAW.(Paul makes no division in the law of Moses)

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law(Paul makes no division in the law of Moses. Paul is referring to the whole law of Moses) ; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE..

Key verse to understand that Paul is speaking of the whole law of Moses is verse 4. Christ died to save us by FAITH in Him not by keeping the law of Moses, Christ's shed blood is of no effect if we try to be justified by keeping the old covenant, the law.

Galatians 2:16;18-21 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I MAKE MYSELF A TRANSGRESSOR. For I through the law am DEAD TO THE LAW. THAT I MIGHT LIVE UNTO GOD. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: FOR IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COME BY THE LAW, THEN CHRIST IS DEAD IN VAIN.

Hebrews 6:11-12;18-19
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being CHANGED, there is made of necessity a CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW.

For there is verily a DISANNULLING(make void) of the commandment going before the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw NIGH UNTO GOD. .......

Somehow I do not think that you quoting you and repeating yourself without addressing any of the posts and scriptures provided in them supports your teachings especially when everyone of your scriptures have been shown already not to support your view of the scriptures and actually disagree with your teaching here. As shown earlier in the post that have been shared with you, every scripture you have provided here once examined in detail, and once context is provided, does not support your claims and teachings here. If you disagree of course you welcome to show why you disagree and you are free to ignore my posts and scriptures shared with you that disagree with you, as that would be between you and God. Perhaps though you should at least consider what has been shared only on love and as a help to you.

Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - There is none. Sunday worship in place of God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments, that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20 in the new covenant is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not supported by scripture. Jesus says in His own words if we are following man-made teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are now worshiping God according to Matthew 15:3-9. So who should we believe and follow will be the great test that comes to all mankind according to the scriptures (Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29).

According to the scripture, I believe God's people are in every Church *John 10:17 living up to all the knowledge of Gods' Word that he has revealed to them and in times of ignorance God winks at according to the scriptures *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and James 4:17, but the hour is coming and now is that the true worshipers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. BABYLON has fallen as well as he harlot daughters *Revelation 14:8-12; Revelation 17-1-5 and God is calling His people to come out from following the teachings and traditions of men to return to the pure Word of God *Revelation 18:1-5. Those who have ears to hear will hear and those who have eyes to see will see. They are God's sheep and will hear His voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear will not follow because they are not His sheep according to Jesus in John 10:26-27. We are to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not *2 Corinthians 13:5. For the time is coming when many will not endure sound doctrine but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears because they receive not the love of the truth so they might be saved *2 Timothy 4:3-4.

May we all believe and follow Gods' Word. Ignoring it does not make it disappear. According to Jesus the very words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures *John 12:47-48

Something we should all pray about.

Leaf473 · Jun 14, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Jesus has done all of this for us, does that give us a license to sin freely now? Or do we show our love back to Jesus for His great sacrifice by obeying?

The attitude that you take towards the law to not eat yeast once a year, is that disobedience? Sinning freely?

The way that you describe your attitude towards that law is very likely the same way I describe my attitude towards the entire law.

If I supply the words, I expect you will criticize them. That's why I'm asking you to supply the words, so we don't go in circles.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 14, 2021

Leaf473 said:
The attitude that you take towards the law to not eat yeast once a year, is that disobedience? Sinning freely?

The way that you describe your attitude towards that law is very likely the same way I describe my attitude towards the entire law.

If I supply the words, I expect you will criticize them. That's why I'm asking you to supply the words, so we don't go in circles.

Whoa, not sure where this is coming from, I just asked a question like you have been asking me questions for a very long time now. If you do not want to answer the question I asked, that's fine, it can be between you and God.

This is not about criticism, this is about the Truth. You are free to believe whatever you wish, God gives us free will , but there is only one Truth and Jesus is coming soon.

God bless friend and I hope you have a good evening.

Titus Dorn · Jun 14, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Somehow I do not think that you quoting you and repeating yourself without addressing any of the posts and scriptures provided in them supports your teachings especially when everyone of your scriptures have been shown already not to support your view of the scriptures and actually disagree with your teaching here. As shown earlier in the post that have been shared with you, every scripture you have provided here once examined in detail, and once context is provided, does not support your claims and teachings here. If you disagree of course you welcome to show why you disagree and you are free to ignore my posts and scriptures shared with you that disagree with you, as that would be between you and God. Perhaps though you should at least consider what has been shared only on love and as a help to you.

Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - There is none. Sunday worship in place of God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments, that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20 in the new covenant is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not supported by scripture. Jesus says in His own words if we are following man-made teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are now worshiping God according to Matthew 15:3-9. So who should we believe and follow will be the great test that comes to all mankind according to the scriptures (Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29).

According to the scripture, I believe God's people are in every Church *John 10:17 living up to all the knowledge of Gods' Word that he has revealed to them and in times of ignorance God winks at according to the scriptures *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and James 4:17, but the hour is coming and now is that the true worshipers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. BABYLON has fallen as well as he harlot daughters *Revelation 14:8-12; Revelation 17-1-5 and God is calling His people to come out from following the teachings and traditions of men to return to the pure Word of God *Revelation 18:1-5. Those who have ears to hear will hear and those who have eyes to see will see. They are God's sheep and will hear His voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear will not follow because they are not His sheep according to Jesus in John 10:26-27. We are to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not *2 Corinthians 13:5. For the time is coming when many will not endure sound doctrine but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears because they receive not the love of the truth so they might be saved *2 Timothy 4:3-4.

May we all believe and follow Gods' Word. Ignoring it does not make it disappear. According to Jesus the very words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures *John 12:47-48

Something we should all pray about.

Read post 1912.

Bob S · Jun 14, 2021

pescador said:
So, no Jews in heaven. Not even Paul. Is that the case?

Sorry pescador, the fact is that the covenant made with the Israelites was not about salvation. The covenant was about how God wanted the Israelites to live, first in the desert and the in the land of milk and honey.

The salvation covenant was made with Abraham according to Moses and it was/is an unconditional covenant. Anyone can partake of the Abrahamic covenant.

JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

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