Race seems to be a divisive issue among Christians

SongOnTheWind said:

This is my point. It is extended to everyone all the time, whether your own individual skin tone is being represented or not.

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No, it is not extended with CRT, nor BLM. Individual skin tone represented? Skin tone needs no representation. Its merely color. It has nothing to do with the person covered in it.

SongOnTheWind said:

I'm sure that people in recent years gone by that have played victim and have called the police on other people because they already pre-judged them based on the colour of their skin, for things like barbequing, or waiting for people in coffee shops without buying anything, didn't have a good excuse for their behaviour either. Christians should want justice for the innocent in these instances as well, as well as other instances of injustice.

My point is that injustice happens every day. I'm just saying that it's telling that some only get worked up when they finally experience what someone else has experienced and it couldn't have bothered them less.

One day, Christians will experience a tribulation that has never been before, no will be seen since. And it won't matter the colour of our skin then. Let's not play into the enemy's hands. Let's not give him the satisfaction. Let the truth set us free.

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In the case of CRT though we are not talking about individuals being intolerant or ignorant or even racist. We are talking about a racist philosophy that people are what their skin color makes them. With what seems to be the intention to fashion a truly systemic racist society to replace a society that, though infected with racist individuals, is not actually systemically racist. It is necessary that Christians reject any political ideology or philosophy or tribal association that pigeon holes and stereotypes categories of people which CRT is but one example . For a Christian it should not matter which groups of human beings are being lionized or demonized by those that hold to these sorts of divisive ideas. The ideas should be summarily rejected as incompatible with the Christian faith and our mission to love everyone , even those we see as enemies.

Acts 10: 34
34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality.,

SongOnTheWind said:

Well, I'm in disagreement with you at this moment. Should we now continue to contribute to the anger? When will it be time to do something about it? When will it be too late to do something about it?

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Nope, you have to choose your battles wisely and although it isn't too late for a chance to do something sadly it would require a huge concerted push and a lot of leadership and work to push back hard against those who are using the differences in races and culture to their extreme advantage and are greatly profiting from it to the point that it is like we are fighting a spiritual war against demonic forces that seek to increase hatred between races and cultures to continue to diminish the good things tha could be used to help pull us together in Godly ways. Maybe we need to try and use the cultures strengths to encourage people to a better goal but even the cultures of races has been corrupted to the point that we are seeing evil portrayed and good and good as evil. This purposeful confusion can only be fought with knowledge and those who are presented the truth have to be somehow convinced that they are adapting lies into their culture.
As children have been essentially conditioned through public schooling to the point it is a greater part of their culture than God/Christianity is we are already fighting an uphill battle with an enemy that has very strong shields (the corrupted media).
If you look at how Christians dealt with things in the past you will see way too often the evil that corrupts society can turn a majority of them away from God to the point that those few who remain loyal to God are overwhelmed and it takes something drastic to happen to literally destroy the evil. Wars have been fought when evil gets stronger than peaceful loving Christians can handle. If we look at the history of Israel throughout the Bible we see few are truly godly most bow to idols and there is a history of constant evil taking over the nation leading to them being enslaved, and their rejection of Jesus when he came. If Jesus himself cannot by setting an example of love to others fail to unite a nation and fight off cultural and somewhat racism (Jews vs Gentiles) then how much chance do we have when evil finally is entrenched in the most powerful people and areas of society and those who were not evil did not have the power to push back for fear of losing what power they have and gaining essentially nothing in return. If we alienate a people more with our attempts to try and persuade them of the truth then we may end up making it even harder. In other words we are in a pickle because the soft truth may be the only thing that has a chance with people who have bought into the current narratives designed to entice hatred and strife a hard truth likely would be directly countered in a way not only to neutralize it but paint those who are presenting it in a very negative way. The final thought is soft selling something often takes longer, and has less return if successful but has a higher success to loss ratio but lower yield while a hard sell has a lot lower success rate and higher loss ratio but if it succeeds has a greater yield.

What is needed is strong black leadership united such that it is so overwhelming that it cannot be "labeled", attacked, misrepresented, castigated, and dismissed. Essentially we need a shining city on the hill that beams so blindly with love and truth and has very strong walls and impeccable leadership that has a governing body that cannot be taken down if individual leaders are destroyed such that if one leader is neutralized/defamed the loss is minimal and another and another one can be endlessly depended upon to take up the cause. It has to be shown that enough are united in a way that cannot be overcome even with the most evil trickery, lies, deceit, and legal corruptness that it withstands and the more it is attacked the stronger it gets. In a word we need to reinvent Christian culture to be more inclusive to all races and a lot more enticing to be a part of than what is being offered by those who are racemongerers.

ralliann said:

Now if this were extended to everybody that would be great.

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It sure would.

Eftsoon said:

Yes. The US has deep-seated problems. Europe isn't much better though.They are experiencing a massive resurgence of fascism due to the fact that many European leaders made populist appeals during the financial crisis. They handed a degree of power to the far right and they haven't let go of course.

I'm in the UK. We have problems too, but overall things are generally better.

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According to CRT Europe is the cause of all the world's problems because it is inherently racist and exported its white supremacist's racism to the rest of the world. America would be a utopian paradise now but for the inherent racism of Europeans. And thinking that Europe is generally better is proof that it certainly isn't but is racist to such a degree that it cannot even recognize it. .

Eftsoon said:

NOTE: CRT isn't really about your skin colour, it's about the system you inhabit. CRT levels its charge against the system. Black people can thus become oppression too. CRT isn't attacking white people specifically, though it does often sound like that. The big claim is that the system itself is racist. Note however that CRT is incredibly diverse. It hasn't been codified into a single system yet.

A famous example of this is the doll experiment in which black infants chose to play with white dolls instead of black dolls, or preferred white teachers to black teachers. It demonstrates an internalisation of racist ideas. Kids grow up into adults and enact that prejudice. The colour of their skin is irrelevant.

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Your example that it isn't about skin color is an example of talking about skin color. How can Critical RACE theory be about something other than RACE? Which to just about everyone out there means skin color. Personally I do not inhabit a system I live on a planet, within a society, am part of a religious community, am closely related to my family and have a home but inhabit only my own body. I am not a representative of a group, I am me. I consider that you are you and doing other than that would be an injustice to you. CRT is an injustice to everyone as it ignores and wishes to invalidate our individual identity. It denies our individual uniqueness turning us from priceless irreplaceable individuals into mundane interchangeable parts.

Eftsoon said:

NOTE: CRT isn't really about your skin colour, it's about the system you inhabit.

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Then CRT is bogus then because it is about skin color

Eftsoon said:

CRT tends to level its charge against the system.

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Then address the system. Don't create another one. Especially that which is racist or uses racism as a tool to change the constitutional government in this country.

Eftsoon said:

Black people can thus become oppressors too. CRT isn't attacking white people specifically, though it does often sound like that.

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Yeah it sounds like that because it is.

Eftsoon said:

The big claim is that the system itself is racist. Note however that CRT is incredibly diverse. It hasn't been codified into a single system yet.

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Yeah their agenda is hidden under the guise of racism.

Eftsoon said:

A famous example of this is the doll experiment in which black infants chose to play with white dolls instead of black dolls. It demonstrates an internalization of racist ideas. Kids grow up into adults and enact that prejudice.
The color of their skin is irrelevant.

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Infants? LOL then you say the color is irrelevant, as though black parents are internalizing this in their infants. This is scary stuff. Marxist stuff. And Marxism does advocate violence as a means to an end if need be.

Eftsoon said:

Study: White and black children biased toward lighter skin - CNN.com

I'm not sure how people interpret studies like this.

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As suspect

Silverback said:

Everyone is tired of it, whites in America have been told they are inherently racist and evil every day since Biden has been in office, and it shows no sign of letting up.

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That's odd...I have not been told that I am inherently racist and evil on a single day since Biden's inauguration. I checked with my White friends and family and none of them have been either.

Eftsoon said:

The fire surrounding BLM and CRT is a prime example of this. CRT seems to really rub Christians up the wrong way.

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I don't see what the CRT (cathode-ray tube) has to do with BLM, or this forum.

Eftsoon said:

NOTE: CRT isn't really about your skin colour, it's about the system you inhabit. CRT tends to level its charge against the system. Black people can thus become oppressors too. CRT isn't attacking white people specifically, though it does often sound like that. The big claim is that the system itself is racist. Note however that CRT is incredibly diverse. It hasn't been codified into a single system yet.

A famous example of this is the doll experiment in which black infants chose to play with white dolls instead of black dolls. It demonstrates an internalisation of racist ideas. Kids grow up into adults and enact that prejudice. The colour of their skin is irrelevant.


Study: White and black children biased toward lighter skin - CNN.com

I'm not sure how people interpret studies like this.

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What it demonstrates is adults assuming that children playing with pale dolls are demonstrating racist ideas.

Infants are not racist.
Far more likely they picked up the lighter coloured dolls for some other developmental reason. Infants will also listen and turn towards (pick) higher lighter voices(female). Does this make them biased against men? It's the adults at fault who assume 'picking lighter means bias towards darker skin' By school age it certainly could be based on what they have internalized but not infants or toddlers. The reason could be as simple as certain features standing out more.
Also a white doll painted brown? More likely the paint was ugly and would have been ugly no matter the colour.

Like the kid who asked his mum where did he come from and he gets the whole birds n bees talk then eventually says "Okay mum, but where did I come from, Oklahoma or Nashville like Tommy does?" Children are not always asking or saying what you think they are saying. Adults need to stop assuming and looking at everything through adult eyes and actually listen.

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grasping the after wind said:

According to CRT Europe is the cause of all the world's problems because it is inherently racist and exported its white supremacist's racism to the rest of the world. America would be a utopian paradise now but for the inherent racism of Europeans. And thinking that Europe is generally better is proof that it certainly isn't but is racist to such a degree that it cannot even recognize it. .

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Europeans in general dismiss their racist colonial past as a by product of the "Empire". Additionally, they are quick to point out American racism, and ignore how Jews, and Gypsies and Saami are treated in Europe. Oh, and I forgot, how blacks were enslaved by Europeans as well.

Eftsoon said:

Gypsies are treated very badly yes it's true. Anti-semitism is on the rise also. Tragically. I hadn't heard of the Saami people until now. Thank you. Islamophobia is a big issue in Europe as well.

Europe is no paradise. I agree. English schooling has a long way to go to recognising the brutality of the empire.

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The Saami was a quiet Genocide, the Norwegian Government was forcibly removing Saami children and giving them to "real Norwegians" as late as the 1970's.
They also outlawed their religion, suppressed their language, and in acted other laws that hampered there ability to earn a living, which is/was based on the herding of Reindeer.

It is a very sad saga, that is largely unknown.