Do you want a globalist economy over a nationalist one?

98cwitr · Jun 14, 2021

As the WEF hasn't hidden their agenda, along with the UN, of which America is a part of, we see that covid is the justification and precursor for the "Great Reset" which has openly been advertised by the UN/WEF for over a year now.

In an effort to have America not compete with the Chinese market, there is a push to join them in participating in a global market for the sake of "Building Back Better."

So, without undue assumptions, how many wish to see America take a backseat from herself, her own economy, and possibly her own people to instead focus on ensuring that all nations are aided in a global collective?

Sources:

WEF Great Reset: The Great Reset

UN "Building Back Better": The UN at 75: Now Is the Time to "Build Back Better" | United Nations

China's dominating market share of rare earth minerals needed to produce "green" energy: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/28/china-makes-veiled-threat-about-withholding-rare-earth-minerals.html

GreekOrthodox · Jun 14, 2021

We're already in a global economy like it or not but encouraging companies to keep or bring back jobs back here would be good. The problem is that we've offshored so much brain power, it might be tough to bring that back. When I was in chemical equipment sales in the 1990s, one trend I saw was that various industries were losing the vast experience of the "Greatest Generation" as they were retiring in droves. They had few people coming up in the trades to replace them. We're 30 years past that point and I don't think we could regain that advantage we had.

Brian Mcnamee · Jun 14, 2021

Globalism is Satanic and the UN makes no secret about their intentions to dominate the next world order. The US and the dollar have been the system since the end of WW2 and the goal for the last 70 years was to take down America. Now we are about to fall and the structure for the next system is being set up. This will not be a seamless transition as the Bible tells us Rev 6 happens before you get to Rev 13. Peace taken from the earth with men killing one another and a days wage is a quart of wheat on a global scale. That is what will happen when the US dollar is allowed to collapse and global hyperinflation comes on. The beat gets power with 42 months to go. Globalism will be great when Jesus heads up the world but not before.

98cwitr · Jun 14, 2021

GreekOrthodox said:
We're already in a global economy like it or not but encouraging companies to keep or bring back jobs back here would be good. The problem is that we've offshored so much brain power, it might be tough to bring that back. When I was in chemical equipment sales in the 1990s, one trend I saw was that various industries were losing the vast experience of the "Greatest Generation" as they were retiring in droves. They had few people coming up in the trades to replace them. We're 30 years past that point and I don't think we could regain that advantage we had.

Do you think there is American support for viewing China not as an enemy or threat, but as an economic partner and ally?

Belk · Jun 14, 2021

Brian Mcnamee said:
Globalism is Satanic and the UN makes no secret about their intentions to dominate the next world order. The US and the dollar have been the system since the end of WW2 and the goal for the last 70 years was to take down America. Now we are about to fall and the structure for the next system is being set up. This will not be a seamless transition as the Bible tells us Rev 6 happens before you get to Rev 13. Peace taken from the earth with men killing one another and a days wage is a quart of wheat on a global scale. That is what will happen when the US dollar is allowed to collapse and global hyperinflation comes on. The beat gets power with 42 months to go. Globalism will be great when Jesus heads up the world but not before.

98cwitr · Jun 14, 2021

Brian Mcnamee said:
Globalism is Satanic and the UN makes no secret about their intentions to dominate the next world order. The US and the dollar have been the system since the end of WW2 and the goal for the last 70 years was to take down America. Now we are about to fall and the structure for the next system is being set up. This will not be a seamless transition as the Bible tells us Rev 6 happens before you get to Rev 13. Peace taken from the earth with men killing one another and a days wage is a quart of wheat on a global scale. That is what will happen when the US dollar is allowed to collapse and global hyperinflation comes on. The beat gets power with 42 months to go. Globalism will be great when Jesus heads up the world but not before.

You're not wrong in that in 1949, 5 states (CA, NC, NJ, FL, and CT) called for a "World Federation," via an article V Convention of States, to promote "world peace"...and the justification for such a federation was that the UN was too "weak"

It seems now the narrative has shifted from "world peace" (really it was the fear over full scale nuclear war) right after WWII to "climate change"

JFK, One World or None and “A New Effort to Achieve World Law”

World Federalism - Wikipedia

List of state applications for an Article V Convention - Wikipedia

Tiberius Lee · Jun 14, 2021

Trump’s “America First” policy sound good and patriotic but in reality, this is the most dangerous policy of Trump administration. Thru out the history those countries which took “Nationalistic economic” policy saw how it effected their country and many like Japan , China , India changed their policy and embraced globalism.

The world is far more complex then it was in 1950 after WW2, and the idea that America can just bring back all the jobs and take “ America first” approach is not only naivete, it is dangerous for America and the world.

Many Trump supporter would like to say Clinton, Obama and Biden put America second and they work for rest of the world. Those idea may energize Trump base but it is never true. No American president ever put America second.

timothyu · Jun 14, 2021

Corporatism knows no borders and is progressively absorbing the old notion of nations and elected representation.

Norbert L · Jun 14, 2021

98cwitr said:
how many wish to see

What I wish to see may not be what I get. Unforeseen consequences to decisions made today that turn noble ideas into another road to hell.

The EU as a continental economy which has its' problems with decisions made in Brussels, it's the reason for Brexit.

timothyu · Jun 14, 2021

When even a future king joins the BBB movement of Klaus Schwab, it shows how irrelevant the old institutions are in the corporate takeover of government. What we end up with is a beast that comes to power eating up or eliminating competition and itself until only a singular form of power (a secular god) remains. The days of mom and pop communities, nations and systems are long gone.

miamited · Jun 14, 2021

98cwitr said:
As the WEF hasn't hidden their agenda, along with the UN, of which America is a part of, we see that covid is the justification and precursor for the "Great Reset" which has openly been advertised by the UN/WEF for over a year now.

In an effort to have America not compete with the Chinese market, there is a push to join them in participating in a global market for the sake of "Building Back Better."

So, without undue assumptions, how many wish to see America take a backseat from herself, her own economy, and possibly her own people to instead focus on ensuring that all nations are aided in a global collective?

Sources:

WEF Great Reset: The Great Reset

UN "Building Back Better": The UN at 75: Now Is the Time to "Build Back Better" | United Nations

China's dominating market share of rare earth minerals needed to produce "green" energy: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/28/china-makes-veiled-threat-about-withholding-rare-earth-minerals.html

Hi 98cwtr,

What bothers me about your post is that you seem to be one to herald this 'America is greater than everyone else' mentality that has been very, very strong since the advent of the last guys presidential campaign in 2015. It has always been there as an underlying current since the early days of our nationhood. Sadly, Americans, and people of a few other nations, seem to want to see themselves as belonging to a nation that is stronger and better than other nations. We aren't! Yes, America has a strong military and we can be very, very overbearing in this idea that we're better than everyone else.

However, I try to see things as I believe that God does. When God looks down upon the earth from His throne, I don't believe that He sees America as some great and godly nation. I believe He sees America as a nation of sin and destruction quite unlike a lot of other nations. We, as a nation, murder more people than pretty much any other nation on the face of the earth. Do you believe that God is approving of that and therefore sees America as a nation beholden to Him? We as a nation foster more lying and stealing and fornication and adultery than pretty much any other nation on the face of the earth. Now, there may be a few nations that are in the running with us, but does God see America as a nation of people after His own heart? I can hardly expect so.

We, as a nation are basically responsible for this 'global economy' effort because we are the greediest and neediest people on the face of the earth. The U.S. is likely the largest reason that China makes so many goods to sell outside of their borders. We are a bottomless pit of consumerism. An unquenchable nation of capitalistic ideals that foster such ideas as what leads toward global trade. Do you not believe that the U.S. sells a lot of its goods overseas? I contend that America was the one that started this effort to sell goods to foreign nations. It's how the whole push for the almighty dollar got started. We became one of the first industrialized nations and we needed an outlet for selling all of the billions and billions of goods that that industrialization brought about.

I think that God sees America as a wicked and cruel nation of people overall, not a lot unlike Sodom and Gomorrah. But He does also see that within that nation of wicked and godless people, there are a few that still honor and love Him. As there are in pretty much every nation. Even in Israel, God seems to hold the nation as a whole, as pretty wicked. However, He does allow that there is a remnant of faithful followers among them.

So, in answer to your question: I have no problem with globalism because I believe that God is a globalist. When through the prophet Isaiah God caused to be written these words: “It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” God was preparing His Son to be the way of salvation 'to the ends of the earth'. God is a globalist, not a nationalist.

God bless,
Ted

RDKirk · Jun 14, 2021

View attachment 300748 View media item 55778

miamited · Jun 14, 2021

RDKirk said:
View media item 55778

Hi RDKirk,

I tried clicking your link but came back with an error. I'm curious to read how you see the 'God view' vs.
'man's view' situation.

God bless,
Ted

wing2000 · Jun 14, 2021

We've been in a global economy - benefitting the United States - since the close of WW2. In the last 40 years or so, our country has started to face some real competition.

Deny it if you like. Or pretend we can revert to the 1950's with deceptive campaign slogans.

The fact is, Americans have to compete in the global market.

mama2one · Jun 14, 2021

follow

RDKirk · Jun 14, 2021

miamited said:
Hi RDKirk,

I tried clicking your link but came back with an error. I'm curious to read how you see the 'God view' vs.
'man's view' situation.

God bless,
Ted

Well, I'm confused about that. It's an image that's stored right on Christiianforums.com. I can see it in my post and I can even see it in your quote of my post. It's just the JPEG, nothing more.

98cwitr · Jun 14, 2021

miamited said:
Hi 98cwtr,

What bothers me about your post is that you seem to be one to herald this 'America is greater than everyone else' mentality that has been very, very strong since the advent of the last guys presidential campaign in 2015. It has always been there as an underlying current since the early days of our nationhood. Sadly, Americans, and people of a few other nations, seem to want to see themselves as belonging to a nation that is stronger and better than other nations. We aren't! Yes, America has a strong military and we can be very, very overbearing in this idea that we're better than everyone else.

However, I try to see things as I believe that God does. When God looks down upon the earth from His throne, I don't believe that He sees America as some great and godly nation. I believe He sees America as a nation of sin and destruction quite unlike a lot of other nations. We, as a nation, murder more people than pretty much any other nation on the face of the earth. Do you believe that God is approving of that and therefore sees America as a nation beholden to Him? We as a nation foster more lying and stealing and fornication and adultery than pretty much any other nation on the face of the earth. Now, there may be a few nations that are in the running with us, but does God see America as a nation of people after His own heart? I can hardly expect so.

We, as a nation are basically responsible for this 'global economy' effort because we are the greediest and neediest people on the face of the earth. The U.S. is likely the largest reason that China makes so many goods to sell outside of their borders. We are a bottomless pit of consumerism. An unquenchable nation of capitalistic ideals that foster such ideas as what leads toward global trade. Do you not believe that the U.S. sells a lot of its goods overseas? I contend that America was the one that started this effort to sell goods to foreign nations. It's how the whole push for the almighty dollar got started. We became one of the first industrialized nations and we needed an outlet for selling all of the billions and billions of goods that that industrialization brought about.

I think that God sees America as a wicked and cruel nation of people overall, not a lot unlike Sodom and Gomorrah. But He does also see that within that nation of wicked and godless people, there are a few that still honor and love Him. As there are in pretty much every nation. Even in Israel, God seems to hold the nation as a whole, as pretty wicked. However, He does allow that there is a remnant of faithful followers among them.

So, in answer to your question: I have no problem with globalism because I believe that God is a globalist. When through the prophet Isaiah God caused to be written these words: “It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” God was preparing His Son to be the way of salvation 'to the ends of the earth'. God is a globalist, not a nationalist.

God bless,
Ted

Ted,

As much as I fear this is open an OT can of worms, as far as conumerism and immorality are concerned, I am not sure what that has to do with what makes "America" America. I believe God created this country, and we are set apart based on the principles upon which we were founded. One can point the role of Providence in sustaining George Washington on the battlefield, rise as President, and the founding fathers foregoing their own power for the sake of liberty of the entire American people. I think Scripture supports this as well, whereas other countries stifle their people being able to live as freely.

America's degeneracy is viewed through the lenses of the "world" and we Christians are a minority in the world regardless of country. If we are going to have a "who's more degenerate and sinful" competition, lets do that in another thread.

Are we to judge the world, the church, neither, or both? i think we can all agree though that a healthy economy reduces the suffering of poverty, wouldn't you agree?

Yttrium · Jun 14, 2021

We should never shirk our grand heritage as ruthless robber barons.

Um... that is, competition is good. It spurs progress.

GreekOrthodox · Jun 14, 2021

98cwitr said:
Do you think there is American support for viewing China not as an enemy or threat, but as an economic partner and ally?

China is very problematic. Theft of intellectual property, pirating and essentially a lot of "businesses" are shells for the Chinese government.

9Rock9 · Jun 14, 2021

I honestly don't really have a preference. I think free trade is beneficial overall, but I also think those who complain about their jobs being outsourced to China have a point.

Do you want a globalist economy over a nationalist one?

Do you want a globalist economy over a nationalist one?

We are the world!

America First!

Lord forgive me

Psalti Chrysostom

Well-Known Member

Lord forgive me

Senior Member

Lord forgive me

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Ted

Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner

Ted

E pluribus unum

Well-Known Member

Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner

Lord forgive me

Independent Centrist

Psalti Chrysostom

Sinner in need of grace.

Similar threads