The Mystery of the Church Age

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Hi Randy,

I see. I said that because you ridiculed me as to not knowing history, (which I do). Then I said I can give you details from God`s word, (as per teachers who have taught me), because you said you had looked into God`s word and not seen any. I thought I was being helpful. However I do see it could have come over as you said, like an oracle. Sorry for that.

So much gets misunderstood ay, Randy. So I appreciate your kindness asking me to share. Thank you.

And yes, I would like to get on better with you too bro.

As this thread is about the `Church` I think I should perhaps start another thread to do with the `details of the contemporary view of Dan. 7.`

regards, Marilyn.

Exactly my thoughts. Shows some maturity, don't you think? :) Yes, I love the subject, and am always open to details I may have not yet seen. Sometimes I even learn things from someone who I think is 90% wrong and only 10% right! However, you sound like the kind of person who is 90% right, so I'm all ears! ;)

Incidentally, I don't believe I was actually insulting your lack of knowledge of history, though looking back on it, I can see how you might have viewed it that way. What I meant to say is that instead of seeing things in a "current events" sort of way, I tend to look back at history more, including historical perspectives.

I don't think I could've been insulting your ignorance of history because I don't even know you! Obviously, you knew who the 4 Beasts of Dan 7 were! So that's a start. I also consider current events important--I didn't mean to demean that!

When I say I take an historical perspective, what I mean is that I see the 4th Beast as the Roman Imperial Tradition, as it existed in ancient times, and as it continues to exist all through history in Europe. I got this perspective from Gordon Lindsey, who I disagree with on his Pretrib approach, but found that he discovered this historical trail of Roman Imperialism all through European history.

Though I don't know if he's right, I tend to take his approach. Not exactly, but on that path.

I don't believe that we will come up with anything better than those who've gone before us. However, as we get closer to fulfilling last day events, I think you would be right to take a special look at what's happening now. I do think things are winding down...
My regards, as well,
Randy
 
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Exactly my thoughts. Shows some maturity, don't you think? :) Yes, I love the subject, and am always open to details I may have not yet seen. Sometimes I even learn things from someone who I think is 90% wrong and only 10% right! However, you sound like the kind of person who is 90% right, so I'm all ears! ;)

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I don't believe that we will come up with anything better than those who've gone before us. However, as we get closer to fulfilling last day events, I think you would be right to take a special look at what's happening now. I do think things are winding down...
My regards, as well,
Randy

Hi Randy,

Great. I will go and prepare my notes. I learnt this view from my teachers back in the `70`s when what they were saying had not come to pass. So I have had time over the years to see it all coming together.

Be interested in your comments. I have posted a start of the topic in the eschatology section.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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Hi Thuycidides,

I agree what you said about terrorism, however we know from God`s word that the A/C comes in first as the deceiver. (Dan. 8: 25).

The Lord deals with the Gentiles ruling, as per the Great Image. The Gentiles have only been given a certain time to rule throughout history and then the Lord judges them. The Great Image as a whole represents the times of the Gentiles ruling the world. (Luke 21: 24)

regards, Marilyn.
I don't go with the whole Gentiles vs Jews anymore. Jesus already fulfilled the promise to Abraham's natural-born seed, now God doesn't care one bit about whether Jew of Greek. They are all Gentiles to Him if not saved. Replace 'Gentiles' with 'Nations', whether Jew of Greek, even as there is the one 'chosen nation', whether Jew of Greek.

"And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the nations, until the times of the nations be fulfilled." (Luke 21)

Gentiles is just an improper translation, made due to Old Testament thinking during New Testament times. Even my beloved King James is in error in this regard: "But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Nations: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months." (Rev 11)

ALL nations are now treading under foot all of earth, which God's footstool and outer court, and His throne is heaven, where His temple finally sits in heavenly places. (Eph 2)

I really do think when it comes to prophecy of Scripture that we Christians sort of take it for granted that God the Son actually came and died on a cross, as though it were some normal blip in the history of mankind.

The last days have been here since He came. He confirmed and fulfilled the last days prophecies. Now all we wait on is the last great tribulation on earth and 1st resurrection and reign of the Lord.

When the church is raptured, there will only be those left on earth, and an angel in mid-heaven will then be the only one proclaiming the everlasting Gospel of the cross to ALL inhabitors of the earth. (Rev 14)

At this time and in any other time in future, there is only one seed on earth that God has special care for: the seed of promise, the inheritors of the blessing to Isaac: Christians. (Gal 4)

All unbelievers have been cast out with the bondwoman Hagar.

The time of the 'Gentiles' is over with, and now God calls ALL to repentance and draws ALL to the faith of Jesus.

There is only one New Testament Scripture that speaks of the natural Jews being special to God:
"As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes." (Rom 11)

And so the natural Jews that do not believe Jesus are not without hope, and they may still be grafted in again for their fathers' sakes, if they repent. God turning one more really really last time to the natural seed only is contrary to everything Jesus came for the first time, and the Gospel is preached for, which is now everlasting. No more reaching out and preaching to a certain carnal seed and nation only.

The Jews' religion (Gal 1) is just another false religion of man on earth and the Jews' nation is just another lost nation among nations, which is the way they wanted it when they had their own Messiah crucified:

"If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation." (John 11)

In order to keep their ruling place in their nation, they had their own Messiah crucified, and they knew it when they did it.

He came to fulfill the prophecies of the last days to the Jews first, and when they received Him not, then also to all, and He will not be going back to the 'Jews' only ever again. The Old Covenant pertaining to a natural seed is over with already. And so far as the Lord is concerned, those who persist in calling themselves 'Jews' because of their carnal heritage only are liars (Rev 2,3). The only 'Jews' on earth before God are those circumcised inwardly by His Spirit.

There is no more natural seed of God's Israel with a promise of God remaining to them on behalf of Abraham and the fathers; otherwise, there would be two seeds of promise in the world today, and there are not two seeds, but only one:

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." (Gal 3)
 
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Hi Thuycidides,

Man cannot stop God`s purposes and promises.

Marilyn.
Correct. Which have been and still are being fulfilled in the Lord Himself by His own oath sworn forever after the order of Melchisedec.

God would now and forever have all men to be saved. God is not a respecter of persons after the flesh in that regard.

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie." (Rom 2) (Rev 3)

They that call themselves Jews after the flesh are not. Otherwise the above two Scriptures are broken and viewed as lies. Christians need to take plain Scripture literally, even if that means jettisoning their respect of persons by natural birth, in order to cling to their pet theories of prophecy fulfilled in Revelation.

The only other Scripture remotely attached to the 'Jews' nation at that time is Jerusalem on earth, where the 2 witnesses of the God of the earth will be killed, and the inhabitants of the earth, including those who falsely call themselves 'Jews', will be rejoicing and sending presents over their dead corpses in the manner of a gross Purim celebrated in the false Jews' religion.

And man actually can stop God's promise in their own lives by unbelief.
 
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