No, the riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6 wasn’t a ‘completely peaceful protest’

renniks said:

I don't know any such thing.
It's a weird assumption.

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Well, it's empirically proven that Afriican Americans are almost three times more likely to be the subjects of lethal force by LEOs as whites. So it's not so much an assumption as a reasonable prediction.

And there's the irony. If the insurrectionists were mostly black you and I both know the Capitol steps would have been running with blood. C'mon.

renniks said:

I don't know any such thing.
It's a weird assumption.

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Well, let's take a look at that... during other protests, involving many black protestors...

In a speech on Thursday, Biden agreed there was a sharp contrast.

“No one can tell me that if it had been a group of Black Lives Matter protesting yesterday, they wouldn’t have been treated very, very differently from the mob of thugs that stormed the Capitol,” he said.

The US saw a summer of widespread demonstrations against racial injustice that began in May following the killing of George Floyd, a Black man who died as a Minneapolis police office knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes.

In Washington, DC, participants in those protests said their reception was very different.

“There were cops at every intersection in DC. There were cops at all the monuments, at the Capitol, in front of the White House,” said Abby Conejo, 29, who works at a small business in Washington, DC.

The Black Lives Matter protesters in Washington, DC had been faced with rows of masked National Guard troops at the Lincoln Memorial in June, as Trump promised to crack down on what he called lawlessness by “hoodlums” and “thugs”.

One evening, baton-swinging police fired smoke canisters, flashbang grenades and rubber bullets to drive peaceful protesters away from the White House, so Trump could walk to a nearby church and be photographed holding a Bible.

“They treated us like the enemy,” Conejo said. “Where was that anger and rage yesterday? Why were these people treated like friends?”
Capitol siege: If rioters were Black, ‘hundreds’ would be killed

That's the reality. Actually happened. No point in denying the fact.

The Barbarian said:

And there's the irony. If the insurrectionists were mostly black you and I both know the Capitol steps would have been running with blood. C'mon.



Well, let's take a look at that... during other protests, involving many black protestors...

In a speech on Thursday, Biden agreed there was a sharp contrast.

“No one can tell me that if it had been a group of Black Lives Matter protesting yesterday, they wouldn’t have been treated very, very differently from the mob of thugs that stormed the Capitol,” he said.

The US saw a summer of widespread demonstrations against racial injustice that began in May following the killing of George Floyd, a Black man who died as a Minneapolis police office knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes.

In Washington, DC, participants in those protests said their reception was very different.

“There were cops at every intersection in DC. There were cops at all the monuments, at the Capitol, in front of the White House,” said Abby Conejo, 29, who works at a small business in Washington, DC.

The Black Lives Matter protesters in Washington, DC had been faced with rows of masked National Guard troops at the Lincoln Memorial in June, as Trump promised to crack down on what he called lawlessness by “hoodlums” and “thugs”.

One evening, baton-swinging police fired smoke canisters, flashbang grenades and rubber bullets to drive peaceful protesters away from the White House, so Trump could walk to a nearby church and be photographed holding a Bible.

“They treated us like the enemy,” Conejo said. “Where was that anger and rage yesterday? Why were these people treated like friends?”
Capitol siege: If rioters were Black, ‘hundreds’ would be killed

That's the reality. Actually happened. No point in denying the fact.

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Perhaps they were treated differently because most Trump supporters from every race had been police supporters, not those trying to injure officers.

The Barbarian said:

Well, let's take a look at that... during other protests, involving many black protestors...

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And white and every other color..

renniks said:

Perhaps they were treated differently because most Trump supporters from every race had been police supporters, not those trying to injure officers.

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In fact, the only police officers murdered during the summer protests were murdered by right wing terrorists. And the police actually thanked BLM for helping them keep order.

Riots in downtown Richmond over the weekend were instigated by white supremacists under the guise of Black Lives Matter, according to law enforcement officials.

Protesters tore down police tape and pushed forward toward Richmond police headquarters, where they set a city dump truck on fire.

Police declared the event an “unlawful assembly” and ordered people to leave, later deploying tear gas.

Six people were arrested. The mayor of Richmond thanked the Black Lives Matter protesters he said tried to stop the white supremacists from spearheading the violence.
Police: Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter

On the other hand, Trump supporters?

As DC Metropolitan Police Officer Michael Fanone lay on the ground at the US Capitol building, stunned and injured, he knew a group of rioters were stripping him of his gear. They grabbed spare ammunition, ripped the police radio off his chest and even stole his badge.
Then, Fanone, who had just been Tasered several times in the back of the neck, heard something chilling that made him go into survival mode.
"Some guys started getting a hold of my gun and they were screaming out, 'Kill him with his own gun,'" said Fanone, who's been a police officer for almost two decades.

Fanone, one of three officers who spoke with CNN, described his experience fighting a mob of President Donald Trump's supporters who'd invaded the Capitol in an insurrection unheard of in modern American history.
US Capitol riot: Police describe facing the pro-Trump mob - CNNPolitics

Of all races?


No, doesn't look like it. Which is probably good for the insurrectionists. If there were a lot of black rioters, it would have been a bloody response by the police.

The Barbarian said:

Telling them to go to the Capitol and "fight like hell", was all it took to get them to do it.

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Except that the people who were assembled at the Capitol Building were NOT the ones who were listening to the President's speech and who entered the building.

Otherwise, you are quite right. There is a Capitol Building, some people had gathered there, and President Trump did give a speech that day which, however, didn't call upon anyone to riot (but in fact said the opposite) and for which the so-called insurrectionists were not present.

Albion said:

Except that the people who were assembled at the Capitol Building were NOT the ones who were listening to the President's speech and who entered the building.

Otherwise, you are quite right. There is a Capitol Building and President Trump did give a speech that day which, however, didn't call upon anyone to riot (but in fact said the opposite) and for which the so-called insurrectionists were not present.

But hey, in recent political history being accurate seems to matter only when it's Trump's statements that are being evaluated.

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Well, Ethan Nordean seems to think differently. He claimed that he'd been following Trump for four years, before he left them "on the battlefield bloody and alone".

In this modern world we live in, people can listen to people speaking live, even though they are far away when they are speaking. Are you suggesting that only those people watching Trump live were istening to him?

Derek1234 said:

Well, Ethan Nordean seems to think differently. He claimed that he'd been following Trump for four years, before he left them "on the battlefield bloody and alone".

In this modern world we live in, people can listen to people speaking live, even though they are far away when they are speaking. Are you suggesting that only those people watching Trump live were istening to him?

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Do you take Ethan Nordean's word at face value? I certainly wouldn't.

Even if you do, I believe you are reading something into his comments because I don't see anywhere that he is reported to have said that he was motivated that day to attack anything because of what he heard in the President's speech.

All reports that I am aware of hold that his group had planned something in advance of the speech.

What I'm "suggesting" is that the Capitol gathering was separate from the many-times larger gathering in front of the speaker's platform from which the President gave his remarks, including an explicit admonition to be peaceful, and that they were not the people who attacked the Capitol.

Albion said:

Do you take Ethan Nordean's word at face value? I certainly wouldn't.

Even if you do, I believe you are reading something into his comments because I don't see anywhere that he is reported to have said that he was motivated that day to attack anything because of what he heard in the President's speech.

All reports that I am aware of hold that his group had planned something in advance of the speech.

What I'm "suggesting" is that the Capitol gathering was separate from the many-times larger gathering in front of the speaker's platform from which the President gave his remarks, including an explicit admonition to be peaceful, and that they were not the people who attacked the Capitol.

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It's literally on film. Not Nordean, admittedly, but a supporter in the Capitol saying "Our president wants us here. We wait and take orders from our president."

Derek1234 said:

It's literally on film. Not Nordean, admittedly, but a supporter in the Capitol saying "Our president wants us here. We wait and take orders from our president."

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A person who didn't intend for that kind of statement to mean something more sinister than it is would immediately understand it to be saying that "they" were followers of the politician and were, like all groupies, doing what they THOUGHT would show support for their man. That's all.

And you didn't include anything about his group having committed, long before the speech itself occurred, to being in Washington on that day.

Albion said:

A person who didn't intend for that kind of statement to mean something more sinister than it is would immediately understand it to be saying that "they" were followers of the politician and were, like all groupies, doing what they THOUGHT would show support for their man. That's all.

And you didn't include anything about his group having committed, long before the speech itself occurred, to being in Washington on that day.

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The problem comes with bias. I'm sure I have my blind spot. But it's pretty clear you do. The timeline I have posted above shows how much Trump cared about what was happening. At 1345, police start radioing saying they have an effective riot. At 1413, the secret service evacuates the VP. At 1424, Trump tweets saying the VP "lacked courage." At 1426, Trump calls Senator Mike Lee who says he passed the phone to Senator Tuberville who confirmed he said they'd evacuated the VP an he had to go. At 1441, Ashli Babbit is killed.

And at 1513, Trump tweets asking for everyone at the Capitol to "remain [sic] peaceful".

At 1617, he tweets telling them to go home, clearly washing his hands of wrongdoing.

At 1800 he tweets again, implying they're "great patriots" and telling them to "remember this day forever!"

Hmmm. If he didn't think they were his followers, why was he tweeting at them? More to the point, why did he take 47 minutes after confirmation (if that was really the first he'd heard, which is scarcely believable) to ask people to remain peaceful? And a further hour before telling them to go home?

There's some serious cognitive dissonance if you think Trump behaved anything other than wholly, utterly recklessly and callously.

Derek1234 said:

The problem comes with bias. I'm sure I have my blind spot. But it's pretty clear you do.

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You know, if many of the pertinent facts are carefully omitted and/or the events that are mentioned are paired with the writer's own interpretation of them (as your post did), almost any situation can be made to look other than it actually is.

Albion said:

You know, if many of the pertinent facts are carefully omitted and/or the events that are mentioned are paired with the writer's own interpretation of them (as your post did), almost any situation can be made to look other than it actually is.

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You're most welcome to correct me, then. My concern is not to Trump-bash, but to speak the truth. You come across as partisan, but if you're not, I'm keen to hear what I am getting wrong.

renniks said:

Riot. Singular.
The people should be treated no different than those who were rioting at other places.

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They both should be charged with all crimes that they violated, which includes Sedition for the ones who stormed the Capitol Building.

renniks said:

Perhaps they were treated differently because most Trump supporters from every race had been police supporters, not those trying to injure officers.

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Then why did those Trump supporters injure so many police officers that day? Why weren't those Trump supporters obedient to the commands of the police that day.

Yarddog said:

Then why did those Trump supporters injure so many police officers that day? Why weren't those Trump supporters obedient to the commands of the police that day.

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Well, let's take a look...

No, you have it completely wrong. Look here, at the Trump supporters giving a police officer a nice massage.


After Americans laughed at the claim that these guys were "Antifa", the story pivoted to "well, they weren't doing anything wrong, anyway."
Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-GA) claimed that the attack on the Capitol wasn’t an attack and that the insurrectionists were like tourists.
House Republican Claims There Was No Capitol Attack And Terrorists Were Like Tourists

Yarddog said:

Then why did those Trump supporters injure so many police officers that day? Why weren't those Trump supporters obedient to the commands of the police that day.

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Because they didn't. But overall police and Trump supporters had a good relationship.

renniks said:

Because they didn't. But overall police and Trump supporters had a good relationship.

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Two officers died after being "relationshiped" by the insurgents. Several others were injured and beaten by the MAGA mob. That doesn't seem like a good relationship to me.

renniks said:

Because they didn't. But overall police and Trump supporters had a good relationship.

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I could say the same about the BLM protests because police marched and prayed with many but facts show that 150 police officers were injured by your Trump supporters that day.

At least 17 police officers remain out of work with injuries from the Capitol attack