Florida continues to kill it!

Sophrosyne said:

It is so they can turn away customers because if they defy Floridas laws nobody will be allowed to depart on the cruise at all.

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If this law does anything (and is not shot down in court), it will likely just increase the cost of the cruise.

Mayzoo said:

I have not read that.

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our news station said several times that J & J was 66% effective from getting virus but 100% effective from hospitalization/death

recently read article that said it was actually 88% effective - hosp/death

I'm getting J & J later today & above is main reason plus want to be one and done

Mayzoo said:

I have not read that. Which vaccine website is reporting this?

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None that I know of, but it is a possibility and likely if it were to happen in rare occasions it could be swept under the rug as it would be devastating to the push going on to vaccinate everyone and their evil twin out there.

Sophrosyne said:

None that I know of, but it is a possibility and likely if it were to happen in rare occasions it could be swept under the rug as it would be devastating to the push going on to vaccinate everyone and their evil twin out there.

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So you are having trouble believing the promise that no one has made?

mama2one said:

our news station said several times that J & J was 66% effective from getting virus but 100% effective from hospitalization/death

recently read article that said it was actually 88% effective - hosp/death

I'm getting J & J later today & above is main reason plus want to be one and done

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88% effective doesn't sound like nearly as "safe" as people are touting them as. It could mean up to 12% of the people infected with C19 has a risk of death just as if they didn't have the vaccine at all or something far different.

Belk said:

So you are having trouble believing the promise that no one has made?

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If one infers one is safer when they are vaccinated and infers one could die without it, connecting the dots equates that if you don't get vaccinated you could die. But the truth seems to be you could die even if vaccinated so it doesn't "save" you from death just decreases the chance an unknown amount that likely would be hard to prove statistically easily.

Oompa Loompa said:

For some, the risk of COVID19 is so small that they have a greater risk from vaccine than the virus itself.

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Oompa Loompa said:

Then it is probably best if those people you mentioned should either accept the risk if they choose to go on a cruise or not go at all.

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The thread is not about passengers and their choices. It is about businesses and their choices.

Mayzoo said:

The thread is not about passengers and their choices. It is about businesses and their choices.

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Very well. If the company wishes to continue to needlessly loose revenue by demanding covid vaccines, that is their prerogative. I wonder if Carnival has a similar policy.

Oompa Loompa said:

needlessly

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Based on your opinion. I'm sure the cruise companies see it much diffferently!

Sophrosyne said:

I'm not caving to fear and shame mongerers whose egos and virtue signaling only profit themselves at the publics expense.

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It is interesting how well people have sold the idea that reasonable precautions during a pandemic is fear. Almost as if the targets of that propaganda are so afraid of been seen as weak and afraid that they're willing to behave irrationally - even self-destructively- to not have that insecurity be exposed to others in their peer groups.

Sophrosyne said:

While we are at it... we should make the vaccine card a global vaccine ID so every country can know you have been vaccinated

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And also lets poll workers know one has presented the correct form of ID to be able to vote.

Sophrosyne said:

88% effective doesn't sound like nearly as "safe" as people are touting them as. It could mean up to 12% of the people infected with C19 has a risk of death just as if they didn't have the vaccine at all or something far different.

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It means 12% has risk of infection.
If you are going to make an argument based on your project of what "people are touting" then I see no further reason to engage with you.

KCfromNC said:

And also lets poll workers know one has presented the correct form of ID to be able to vote.

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But that isn't allowable by the left.... voter ID is racist you know.

KCfromNC said:

It is interesting how well people have sold the idea that reasonable precautions during a pandemic is fear. Almost as if the targets of that propaganda are so afraid of been seen as weak and afraid that they're willing to behave irrationally - even self-destructively- to not have that insecurity be exposed to others in their peer groups.

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As the infection rates and death rates fall, precautions have become more and more unreasonable. If you are in an area that once was a gangland war zone with bullets flying wearing a vest and hiding in your homes protecting yourself is a given but if you are not in an area where no bullets are flying, nobody is shooting at anyone and it is quiet and some people are walking the streets unarmed with nobody attacking them for months then maybe wearing a vest and hiding in your home isn't reasonable precautions any more and having the media tell you that it is unsafe out there isn't reality any more.

Sophrosyne said:

If one infers one is safer when they are vaccinated and infers one could die without it, connecting the dots equates that if you don't get vaccinated you could die. But the truth seems to be you could die even if vaccinated so it doesn't "save" you from death just decreases the chance an unknown amount that likely would be hard to prove statistically easily.

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So no one has claimed it but you inferred it and it is all the lefts fault?

Belk said:

So no one has claimed it but you inferred it and it is all the lefts fault?

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Keep you safe is 3 words and tells it all.

Sophrosyne said:

But that isn't allowable by the left.... voter ID is racist you know.

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The term "cognitive dissonance" was custom made for our time.

Sophrosyne said:

If one infers one is safer when they are vaccinated and infers one could die without it, connecting the dots equates that if you don't get vaccinated you could die. But the truth seems to be you could die even if vaccinated so it doesn't "save" you from death just decreases the chance an unknown amount that likely would be hard to prove statistically easily.

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It would be hard to do it easily -- that's what makes it hard.

Wear your seat belt. If you don't, you could die.

If you do, you still could die in a severe enough crash, but your chances of survival increase dramatically in a lesser crash. One would think that's sufficient incentive.

In the words of Col. Sherman T. Potter, "And remember, someone at home loves you. Don't ask me why."

TLK Valentine said:

It would be hard to do it easily -- that's what makes it hard.

Wear your seat belt. If you don't, you could die.

If you do, you still could die in a severe enough crash, but your chances of survival increase dramatically in a lesser crash. One would think that's sufficient incentive.

In the words of Col. Sherman T. Potter, "And remember, someone at home loves you. Don't ask me why."

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It is hard to say if people really voluntary wear seat belts because of safety concerns when most states ticket people for not wearing them basically the choice could be considered a financial instead of safety one. We don't have a ticket or fine for C19 non adherence yet thank God as some countries have heavy fines for even not wearing a stupid mask and sport high 90% compliance not out of fear of death but going broke caught without one on. I had a friend that wasn't wearing a seat belt because he was overweight and they were not long enough to fit him and it saved his life as he was T-Boned by another vehicle.