What about the differences between chimps and humans?

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This is not just a matter of what's comfortable. From a pragmatic perspective, what belief is the better impetus for morality?

I see no reason why one's view on the origin of humans should be the basis for morality. At. All. I don't base my morals and ethics on the existence of evolution, and it's not even clear how you could. It's a scientific theory, not a philosophy or moral code.
 
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If I say a certain TV show was selected, I have a suspicion you would assume a human was involved. Selection assumes a selector.
It's a poor choice of words.
No, you simply do not understand how language works. This is something that you should have learned in middle school or earlier. Words can, and often do, have more than one meaning. An equivocation fallacy occurs when you take one definition of a word or term and apply it to that word or term when clearly an alternate definition is being used. The fact that you do not like that alternate definition does not make it wrong.
 
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I didn't choose the thug life. The thug life chose me.

Shapiro is an obstreperous bigoted bellend. What Jesse Peterson might call a "beta."

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Shapiro is an obstreperous bigoted bellend. What Jesse Peterson might call a "beta."

I have never heard Ben Shapiro say anything bigoted and he doesn't call other people betas. Once again, the most targeted person of antisemitic hate in the country is being called names, just because he happens to be conservative.

And yes, he's the most targeted person of antisemitic hate in the country, including death threats against his children, and yet he has the courage to speak on college campus anyway, as rioters threaten him with violence:
https://www.adl.org/sites/default/f...s-center/CR_4862_Journalism-Task-Force_v2.pdf

That's hardly beta at all. You are just revealing your own lack of decency.
 
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A majority of blacks and Latinos support the teaching of creation in public schools:

The researchers found that a higher percentage of black and Latino Americans— 58% and 57%, respectively — supported teaching creationism in the classroom instead of, but not alongside, evolution. Only 44% of whites and 42% of other races felt this way.
https://news.rice.edu/2019/10/31/ri...-than-whites-to-support-teaching-creationism/

Perhaps they know about how evolution has been used, ever since Darwin's The Descent of Man was published, to justify racism. Need I quote Darwin's own words again?
 
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I have never heard Ben Shapiro say anything bigoted and he doesn't call other people betas. Once again, the most targeted person of antisemitic hate in the country is being called names, just because he happens to be conservative.

Read it again. *HitchSlap* is the one who called Ben S. a "beta" and invokes Jesse Lee Peterson (himself a vacuous bigot obsessed with "alpha males" and "beta males", so unbecoming) in doing so.

Why should any of us care what Ben S's religion is. I've seen dozens of clips and seen similar number of his tweets. I don't recall anything about his statements that would make me assume his opinions are based in Judaism specifically.
 
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I don't recall anything about his statements that would make me assume his opinions are based in Judaism specifically.

Ben Shapiro is the reason why I started reading the Bible. He gives a Torah lesson on his Friday show. It's because he's an observant Jew that he opposes abortion and gay marriage, which he sees as detrimental to society, but I've never seen any evidence that he hates gay people or women who have abortions.
 
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The difference is that the Bible condemns racism and slavery while the survival of the fittest, when applied to our own species, sanctions it.







Abolitionists frequently quoted the Bible to support their cause.

Bible reading is the inspiration for anti semitism.
The jews for their part have themselves as the chosen people.

Slavers quoted the Bible, and found full justification
Sure, abolitionists found their justification too.

The popularity of the Bible is in no small part
because it says whatever you want it to justify.

Direct quotes. Slavery, war, racism, environmental
distruction, pick any or all, add more.
It's in there. Sanctioned by scrip.

Now, a theory based on detailed empirical observation
(Which nowhere BTW says , " survival of fittest" ) cannot
" santion", suggest, direct imply or do anything else
any more than it can prescribe vallium.

Nothing in Darwin, nothing in ToE is in any way
favoring racism or slavery. It's concocted falsehood to
say there is.


People can, and as you have, do misunderstand or deliberately
misinterpret what the theory describes, and find in it ammo for
their ideology.

In that you are doing the exact same thing as Goebbles, Goering,
and of course, Herr Schicklegruber.
We find it neither edifying, honest, or admirable.

You may have heard of preserving genetic diversity?
It is lately much in the news.
Racism, killing off other "races" is in direct opposition
to maintaining diversity.
It is seriously ignorant and as wrong headed as
wanting to kill jews coz they killed Jesus, to think
anything from Darwin "sanctions" racism.

This has gone on long enough. It's a pernicious idea
that has no place among decent folks.

I call on anyone who buys into this
garbage to cease, and go forth as a better person.
 
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Ben Shapiro is the reason why I started reading the Bible. He gives a Torah lesson on his Friday show. It's because he's an observant Jew that he opposes abortion and gay marriage, which he sees as detrimental to society, but I've never seen any evidence that he hates gay people or women who have abortions.
The only thing detrimental to society here, is bigotry towards gay people and women’s bodily autonomy.
 
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A majority of blacks and Latinos support the teaching of creation in public schools:



Perhaps they know about how evolution has been used, ever since Darwin's The Descent of Man was published, to justify racism. Need I quote Darwin's own words again?
Citation needed. When and where was Darwin's work used to justify slavery? And since slavery was pretty much dead in the western world when he published his work I do not see how it could have been used for that. Perhaps you are just angry because so many Christians used the Bible to justify slavery.
 
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Perhaps you are just angry because so many Christians used the Bible to justify slavery.
I don't have any slaves.

As a follower of the Bible, should I?

In your opinion?
 
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I don't have any slaves.

As a follower of the Bible, should I?

In your opinion?
After all these years and you still do not understand your Bible It says that you can. It does not say that you should own slaves. I do not think that it says that you should not own slaves either. But by the standards used here when it comes to abortions, those that support the right to have abortions are called "pro-abortion" then by that standard the Bible is clearly "Pro-slavery". One needs to be consistent in one's standards without using special pleading fallacies.
 
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After all these years and you still do not understand your Bible It says that you can. It does not say that you should own slaves.
If I decide to get one, will you fight for my right to do so?

Can I tell them Subduction Zone says the Bible says I can own one?
 
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If I decide to get one, will you fight for my right to do so?

Can I tell them Subduction Zone says the Bible says I can own one?
I won’t stand up for your right to own others. It’s immoral in my world view.
 
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