Florida continues to kill it!

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Seems like if vax proof was already illegal by virtue of "medical records" then this new law would be pointless from the beginning.

Not buying it. Theres so many private employee or customer arrangements that require medical proof of this or that.
 
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there's a lot of requirement these days

husband is required to get a yearly physical at work
(tied to health insurance benefits)

child required to get vaccines to attend school
All regulated and approved through the government/State etc. Children are not yet required to get a C19 vaccine and I'm guessing that will likely be on a state by state decision unless the left shoves it through congress. The vaccines children get have been thoroughly tested and approved by the FDA, C19 vaccines have not gone through the testing and approval procedures that they have so long term affects are unknown and I personally wouldn't recommend children get it at this time, maybe a year from now when we see if there is any rising issues from younger adults as we are now seeing heart inflammation in people taking the vaccine.
 
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Seems like if vax proof was already illegal by virtue of "medical records" then this new law would be pointless from the beginning.

Not buying it. Theres so many private employee or customer arrangements that require medical proof of this or that.
While we are at it... we should make the vaccine card a global vaccine ID so every country can know you have been vaccinated and lets first put all your medical history on the card (or the global ID computer system) and later lets allow a global group of appointed folks regulate rules based upon the ID and when the global group gets enough acceptance lets decide that it will add gun registration to the ID because too many people are mass murderers with guns it is now a mental health issue to own a gun. Next we need to put Drivers license info on it because we have people driving with medical issues that need to be regulated. We can then say in order to make sure voting is safe we need to prove to the poll workers you have the C19 vaccine so now it is a voting ID along with vaccine ID.

If you don't see a concern for this happening then you trust government way more than you should.
 
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While we are at it... we should make the vaccine card a global vaccine ID so every country can know you have been vaccinated and lets first put all your medical history on the card (or the global ID computer system) and later lets allow a global group of appointed folks regulate rules based upon the ID and when the global group gets enough acceptance lets decide that it will add gun registration to the ID because too many people are mass murderers with guns it is now a mental health issue to own a gun. Next we need to put Drivers license info on it because we have people driving with medical issues that need to be regulated. We can then say in order to make sure voting is safe we need to prove to the poll workers you have the C19 vaccine so now it is a voting ID along with vaccine ID.

If you don't see a concern for this happening then you trust government way more than you should.
Slippery slope to absurdity. The topic is private companies setting requirements for totally voluntary commercial activities. And this industry is exceedingly susceptible to disruption by the specific factor theyre trying to control for.
 
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So in other words a baker could require everyone to prove they don't have HIV or AIDS before they discuss baking a wedding cake for them and those who refuse to reveal their medical records can be refused service by your logic.
They could but they wouldn't have a business for long.
 
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Or you distrust them far less than you should?
I distrust them more than many do, as politicians are more and more liars than before and there is no news media it is only media now all a bunch of lies by paid liars. This world is IMO won't last the way it is going more than another generation as peoples brains are shrinking more and more from lack of use.
 
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Slippery slope to absurdity. The topic is private companies setting requirements for totally voluntary commercial activities. And this industry is exceedingly susceptible to disruption by the specific factor theyre trying to control for.
First it is only a cruise line, next Walmart decides for "safety sake" they will only allow vaccinated people to shop there starting with giving preferred vaccine only hours then expanding hours to limit non vaccinated people then requiring all to be vaccinated and other stores will do similar as they will be shamed and "canceled" by the media for "not caring' etc.
This is a snowball here and Desantis knows exactly what is happening.
 
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If that is the case I think he should continue to pander as I see it necessary to push back against this issue.

Whereas I think he needs to be voted out in 2022 and save the state of Florida from the Trump mini-me. Not worried about 2024 and him becoming Trump's running mate as hopefully Trump will be behind bars and the wind taken from Desantis's sails.
 
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First it is only a cruise line, next Walmart decides for "safety sake" they will only allow vaccinated people to shop there starting with giving preferred vaccine only hours then expanding hours to limit non vaccinated people then requiring all to be vaccinated and other stores will do similar as they will be shamed and "canceled" by the media for "not caring' etc.
This is a snowball here and Desantis knows exactly what is happening.
Fantasy. The nature of a cruise ship is its a petri dish that passengers and crew are stuck on for a week or more. One outbreak and the whole voyage is off. This is why the industry was stone dead for more than a year. Walmart otoh has done just fine through the whole pandemic.
 
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While we are at it... we should make the vaccine card a global vaccine ID so every country can know you have been vaccinated and lets first put all your medical history on the card (or the global ID computer system) and later lets allow a global group of appointed folks regulate rules based upon the ID and when the global group gets enough acceptance lets decide that it will add gun registration to the ID because too many people are mass murderers with guns it is now a mental health issue to own a gun. Next we need to put Drivers license info on it because we have people driving with medical issues that need to be regulated. We can then say in order to make sure voting is safe we need to prove to the poll workers you have the C19 vaccine so now it is a voting ID along with vaccine ID.

If you don't see a concern for this happening then you trust government way more than you should.

Don't forget dead beat dads and wife beaters.
 
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Two guests aboard the first major sea cruise hosting Americans since the pandemic halted the industry have tested positive for Covid-19 in required end-of-cruise testing, the cruise line said Thursday.

The two guests, who shared a stateroom on the seven-day Celebrity Millennium cruise from St. Maarten, are asymptomatic, in isolation and being monitored by a medical team, Celebrity Cruise Lines said in a news release.

"We are conducting contact tracing, expediting testing for all close contacts and closely monitoring the situation," the news release said.

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"The ship set sail Saturday "with fully vaccinated crew and guests and following comprehensive protocols that align with our destination partners and exceed CDC guidelines to protect the health and safety of our guests," the release said.
So-called "breakthrough" coronavirus cases, in which people get infected after vaccination, are expected. Such cases result in milder Covid-19 illness than in unvaccinated people, a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published this week shows."
 
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Fantasy. The nature of a cruise ship is its a petri dish that passengers and crew are stuck on for a week or more. One outbreak and the whole voyage is off. This is why the industry was stone dead for more than a year. Walmart otoh has done just fine through the whole pandemic.
When it isn't raining people can distance themselves on deck. They can also not have it full leaving space between rooms. Walmart is more of a petri dish as you have 20s of thousands going in and out daily you could easily be walking through air that was breathed out by someone infected a dozen times. We aren't seeing but decreasing infections of the disease long before very few were totally vaccinated. The chance of infection IMO and harm has dropped a lot as I believe most people have been exposed to it enough that their body either had it and they didn't know it or they got sick and thought it was a regular flu or cold already.
 
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When it isn't raining people can distance themselves on deck. They can also not have it full leaving space between rooms. Walmart is more of a petri dish as you have 20s of thousands going in and out daily you could easily be walking through air that was breathed out by someone infected a dozen times. We aren't seeing but decreasing infections of the disease long before very few were totally vaccinated. The chance of infection IMO and harm has dropped a lot as I believe most people have been exposed to it enough that their body either had it and they didn't know it or they got sick and thought it was a regular flu or cold already.
Wow, youd think it was all the Walmarts that had to shut down rather than the entire cruise industry.

This is because you live on the boat. An outbreak is an outbreak on the boat. Then its show over. Why do you think the cruise industry wants the option to require a vax? Hint: its not so they can turn away customers.
 
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"The ship set sail Saturday "with fully vaccinated crew and guests and following comprehensive protocols that align with our destination partners and exceed CDC guidelines to protect the health and safety of our guests," the release said.
So-called "breakthrough" coronavirus cases, in which people get infected after vaccination, are expected. Such cases result in milder Covid-19 illness than in unvaccinated people, a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study published this week shows."
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