Believing in the gospel saves. (1 Corinthians 15: 1-4)

Guojing said:

Since both of us start with different assumptions, its quite understandable that we will come to different interpretations of what went down in Acts 10.

I already stated the reason that God sent Peter to Cornelius and not Paul, because peter would be able to defend the legitimacy of Paul’s gospel of the uncircumcision in acts 15.

The gospel that Paul preach, as this thread stated can be found in 1 Cor 15:1-4, Christ died for your sins and rose again on the 3rd day for your justification.

Peter did not preach that to Cornelius. Instead, he stated

BUT IN EVERY NATION he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, IS ACCEPTED WITH HIM.

He water baptize him after the HS came upon Cornelius, because that was the requirement of the gospel of the kingdom, and that gospel was all he knew then in Acts 10.

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Titus Dorn said:

I do not make assumptions on Gods word. That is sinfull,
1 Peter 1:20; 2:1 knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
God commands that we know His will. That proves we can not be right with God if we assume what He teaches.

Ephesians 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

God expects us to understand His word. Therefore we can all understand His word alike.

Ephesians 3:4 Whereby when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ.

When Old testament men read the law of God, they understood it.
Nehemiah 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.

Sir, I don't start with assumptions. I will not give an opinion on scripture, if I do not yet understand the true meaning of a passage. I will say I am not for sure and need more study. But I will never teach the meaning of Gods word based on assumptions.

Peter preached the same gospel from his conversion to his death. Peter taught ALL are saved by water baptism.

1 Peter 3:20-21 Which sometime were disobedient when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God) by the ressurection of Jesus Christ.

Peter taught that both jew and gentile were to be saved by water. And Paul taught the exact same gospel as Peter.

Romans 6:3-5 know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death? Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of His death, we shall be also in the likeness of His ressurection:
Paul taught that water baptism is how we have our sins washed away, and how we get into Christ. In Christ is were all the saved are.

Galatians 3:26-27; 28 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither jew nor greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elects sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

When someone says water baptism is not essential to salvation, they make Jesus a liar and have taken away from Gods word.

Mark 16:15-16 And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world and preach the GOSPEL to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be danmed.

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the Holy city and from the things which are written in this book.

Paul water baptized when he preached the gospel,
1Corinthians 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius.

Now if you know a little about the church at Corinth you will know that some were jews but the church at Corinth were largely composed of GENTILE converts.

1 Corinthians 12:1-2 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

Paul is the apostle that brought the gospel to the Corinthians, Acts 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens and came to Corinth.

Now listen to Paul convert jews like Crispus with his gospel. If Paul's gospel is for the uncircumcision why is he teaching and baptizing jews while in Corinth?
Acts 18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

Did you catch that? You said water baptism is not for gentiles. Most of the Corinthian church is gentiles. Paul is preaching his gospel and is baptizing jews and gentiles in Corinth.
Once again your beliefs do not fit with the scriptures accounts of Paul's ministry.

Just believe Gods word friend and ignore anyone who contradicts it.

1John 5:7-8 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Epheasians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

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Guojing said:

You are starting with the assumption that Peter and Paul must be preaching the same gospel.

Thus, that affects how you interpret all the other scriptures.

That is understandable, none of us read scripture in a vacuum.

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Titus Dorn said:

There is no need to assume what the scriptures teach. The Bible itself is it's best interpreter. I have already showed you it is a sin to make assumptions on what Gods word is teaching, 1Peter 1:20.
There are two main reasons why people are not all of the same mind with understanding the scriptures.

1.) They do not study or do not studying enough.

2.) They are not seeking truth, 2Thessalonians 2:11

John 8:31-32

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Guojing said:

The scripture does not teach that Peter and Paul must be preaching the same gospel.

You have to infer that, that means you are making an assumption.

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Titus Dorn said:

If you and I are basing our "interpretation" on assumptions, then neither of us know the truth.
If this is the best men can do with understanding scripture, then no one has the truth. It is all just ones opinions. I do know for a fact that there is only one gospel of Jesus Christ. I have already proven as have Danthemailman and Brightfame 52 that Paul and Peter both taught jew and gentiles. The only way you can continue to hold to your position of two or more gospels is to reject the examples that God has provided in His holy word.
There is one passage that answers the question "How many gospels of Christ are there"?

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism

Now you say this is the gospel of uncircumcision. This cannot be the correct interpretation of Epheasians 4:5 because it says ONE. One means ONE! If there is one gospel for jews and one gospel for gentiles, THEN THERE CANNOT BE ONLY ONE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!!!
For that would make TWO GOSPELS. Epheasians 4 :5 says ONE. If you can say there is more than one gospel and Epheasians 4:5 is only referring to one of those gospels, then we can also infer there can be more than one body, more than one Spirit, more than one hope, more than one Lord, more than one faith, more than one baptism, more than one God! Epheasians 4:4,5,6.

If one does not mean one in these verses then it is up for interpretation on whether there is one of all these other things that say one. You are not agreeing with Epheasians 4:5, you are misinterpreting the verse to mean one does not literally mean one. You are saying the opposite of Paul in Epheasians, you say there is more than one. Is there one Lord? Or can these verses be interpreted as more than one Lord?

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Guojing said:

That verse does not even say one gospel.

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Guojing said:

That verse does not even say one gospel.

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Titus Dorn said:

If you will study the context of the first verse of Romans Paul says Romans 1:1 Paul a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the GOSPEL of God.
Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the gentiles, ministering the GOSPEL of God, that offering up of the gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

In the first chapter of Romans, the first verses Paul is speaking of the gospel of Jesus. Keep reading to verse 5 and you will see Paul uses the word faith to equate with gospel.

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Titus Dorn said:

For you to hold to your position still. You must ignore the passages that have already contradicted your belief in two gospels. You have nothing to say about Epheasians 4:5? The faith is the gospel of Jesus Christ. Romans 1:5.

Even though you are ignoring scriptures that contradict your churches interpretation, I will answer your argument that Galatians 2:7-9 and Acts 21:18-25 proves two gospels. One for jews, One for gentiles.

Galatians 2:7-9 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter.

I've already gave the correct interpretation but I will elaborate further.
We already know Peter preached the gospel to gentiles, Acts 10, Cornelius.
We also know Paul preached the gospel to jews and water baptized them, example ( the Corinthian church, Crispus).
Peter was not preaching a "Jewish gospel of circumcision".
Peter was chosen primarily to teach the jews, while Paul was chosen to teach primarily the gentiles. The fact that both apostles taught jew and gentile disproves there being two seperate gospels.

Truth be told Peter's gospel was not forbidden to gentiles as a gospel that was not for the uncircumcision. Acts 15:5;7 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. V.7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the GENTILES BY MY MOUTH SHOULD HEAR THE WORD OF THE GOSPEL AND BELIEVE.

Verses 8-9 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; AND PUT NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THEM, PURIFYING THEIR HEARTS BY FAITH.

This proves your churches interpretation of Galatians 2:7-9 to be a misinterpretation. Again Peter and Paul both preached the gospel that interchanged among circumcision and uncircumcision alike.

Paul was not just told by Jesus to teach "his" gospel only to the gentiles.
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him(Paul) "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings, AND THE CHILDREN OF ISREAL

This was spoken by Jesus when Jesus spoke to Ananias. Jesus commanded Ananias to preach the gospel of Jesus to Paul. To deny that Paul's gospel was not to the jews is to disagree with Jesus Himself. Anyone who says that Paul's gospel was not for the jews is calling Jesus Christ a liar.

Acts 21:18-26 confirms Galatians 2:7-9 to be two gospels.
No Sir, it does not. You need to realize that what occurred in the first century with jewish converts to Christ was for a limited time. Not one jew that becomes a Christian today is to be circumcised for religious reasons. Nowhere in the gospel of Christ is circumcision a law or command for jews or gentiles. Even among the Jewish converts to Christ in the first century were they under any of the law of Moses to fulfill any ordinance under the old law.

The law of Moses was fulfilled by Christ when He was crucified on the cross.
Jesus' new covenant is for all the world. He has brought about a new covenant with jew and gentile ending the enmity between the two.
Ephesians 2:15-16 Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, EVEN THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in Himself of twain ONE new man, so making peace; And that He might reconcile BOTH unto God in ONE BODY by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby.

This shows that Jews are no longer under the old covenant of Moses. We are all under the new covenant, the new testament, the law of Jesus Christ.
Notice that BOTH jew and gentile are in one body. This body of Christ is the church, Colossians 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence. The body is made up of both jew and gentile. That body being Christ's church. Just as the churches at Corinth and Galatia and Ephesus had both jew and gentile chtistians, they must have all heard the same preaching of the same gospel among them. Your doctrine would have Jewish converts on Sunday having to hear a different gospel that their gentile brethren in their local church! Two gospels would have to be preached in these churches that were mixed with both jew and gentile. That is a DIVISION not a union that Jesus came to establish by His sacrifice.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances(law of Moses) that was against us, which was contrary to us and TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY, NAILING IT TO HIS CROSS.

Jesus ended all of the ordinances that jews were under like physical circumcision. None of the old law of Moses is to be followed. Some of the laws for instance "thou shall not murder" is also taught in Christ's law but none of these Mosiacal laws are binding on anyone today.

What about Paul condoning circumcision among jews in Acts 21:18-26?
Paul and the other apostles would observe CUSTOMS in a particular region, country to win the locals to Christ. But never would Paul observe a custom if it went against the gospel of Christ. Paul went along with these Jewish mens vows in Acts 21 because of expediency.
Acts 21:19-20 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how MANY THOUSANDS OF JEWS THERE ARE WHICH BELIEVE; AND THEY ARE ZEALOUS OF THE LAW:

These Jews believed but were still ignorant at this time that the law of Moses was fulfilled by Christ. Paul knowing this goes along with certain old Mosaical ordinances to allow these Jews who have already taken a VOW. To purify themselves according to the old law of Moses.
When a man makes a vow to God. God expects men to keep that vow. The main reason Paul at this time was going along with these Jewish customs was so that the Jews being still zealous towards obedience to God would not turn away from the gospel of Christ which Paul was delivering to them. Paul would practise the customs of people to win them to Christ. But never did Paul violate the law of Christ. 1Corinthians 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I MIGHT GAIN THE WEAK: I am made all things to all men, that I MIGHT BY ALL MEANS SAVE SOME.

Paul in Galatians 2:1-5 we are shown that when this same thing was required AS A MATTER OF FAITH, Paul refused. Also notice that Paul taught privately those of reputation meaning jews that had power. Galatians 2:1-5 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. And I went up by revelation and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, BUT PRIVATELY TO THEM WHICH WERE OF REPUTATION, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain. But neither Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised: And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily, to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: To whom we gave place by subjection, NO, NOT FOR AN HOUR; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

More evidence of what occurred in Acts 21 is what Paul did to Timothy. Timothy was of mixed ethnicity. His father a Greek, his mother a jew, yet Paul had him circumcised. Why? So that the gospel could be spread and accepted by all nations. Timothy is used as a symbol for both Jews and Greeks. Timothy represents the coming together of the world under the unifying gospel of Christ.

Acts 16:1 Then he came to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain women, which was a jewess and believed; but his father was a greek: Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; AND TOOK AND CIRCUMCISED HIM BECAUSE OF THE JEWS WHICH WERE IN THOSE QUARTERS: for they knew all that his father was a Greek. And as they went through the cities they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem. And so were the churches established IN THE FAITH and increased in number daily.

Notice that this is why Paul has Timothy circumcised, to spread the one gospel to this area that has jews. You see that this circumcision with Timothy or the vows kept on Acts 21 was not a part of Jesus' gospel. These things were done in the first century by Paul for the purpose of not offending ignorant jews that knew nothing at that time but the law of Moses. So that the gospel of Christ could be spread all over the world. But when jews tried to incorporate the old law of Moses into the new law of Christ. Paul rejected it as sin. Romans 2:25-26; For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the UNCIRCUMCISION keep the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

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Guojing said:

My point about Acts 21:18-25 is simple.

If you are correct, that there is no difference between the gospel of the circumcision and the gospel of the uncircumcision, then Paul should have rebuked James and the elders and tell them to remind those Jewish believers that they should indeed no longer circumcise their children.

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Guojing said:

He already preached stated Galatians 5:2. Isn't that clear enough?

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Guojing said:

Paul did not have that authority to the Jewish believers. So if James wanted the circumcised to continue being zealous for the Law of Moses, there is nothing Paul could do.

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Titus Dorn said:

As I already said, Paul kept the customs of the Jews not because it was a part of the new covenant, the gospel of Jesus Christ. But because of two main reasons:
1.) To further the gospel of Jesus so that all may be saved. 1Corinthians 9:19-23 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that i might gain the more. And unto the Jews i became as a jew, THAT I MIGHT GAIN THE JEWS; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might GAIN THEM that are under the law; To them that are without the law, as without law, (being not without law to God but under the law of Christ) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I AM MADE ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN, THAT I MIGHT BY ALL MEANS SAVE SOME. And this I do for the gospels sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

And 2.) That Paul and those who were christian converts with Paul could go into the temple, sanctuaries, synagogue to teach the gospel of Christ to jews,
Ezekiel 44:7 In that ye have brought into My sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcision in flesh, to be in My sanctuary, to pollute it, even My house, when ye offer My bread, the fat and the blood and they have broken My covenant because of all your abominations.
Without circumcision it was unlawful under the Mosaical law to enter into the synagogue. Therefore Paul and those that Paul brought with him like Timothy for example. Had to be circumcised in order for Paul and his company to enter into the synagogue. and teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Jews.

This is the very reason why Paul in Acts 21:18-25 went along with the vows of these four Jewish men. Not
because this Nazerite vow was included into the gospel of Jesus Christ. But because Paul had to observe these customs of the jews, so that he might ENTER into the temple and proclaim Jesus unto the jews. Acts 21:26 Then Paul took the men and the next day purifying himself with them ENTERED INTO THE TEMPLE, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. Paul could not go were he needed to go to teach the gospel to the jews if he did not observe Jewish customs. Just as I would take off my shoes to enter a Japanese home if i were on a missionary trip to spread the gospel in Japan. None of the law of Moses has been brought over into the gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus fulfilled the law of Moses when He was nailed to the cross. Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances(law of Moses) that was against us, which was contrary to us, AND TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY, NAILING IT TO HIS CROSS
No one jew or gentile must keep the old law of Moses. To do so causes both jew and gentile to lose their salvation IN CHRIST. Galatians 1:6-8 I marvel that ye so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is NOT ANOTHER; but there be some that trouble you and would PERVERT the gospel Christ. But thou WE, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL UNTO YOU THAN THAT WHICH WE HAVE PREACHED UNTO YOU, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.
Friend, there is ONE gospel. Do you really believe that the church at Galatia and the church at Ephesus and the church at Corinth that had both jew and gentile christians hear/preach two different gospels on the first day of the week? When they assembled themselves together for worship? Come on friend, that makes absolutely no sense. We have zero examples of this taking place in these mixed churches. Friend these churches had people from all over the world worshipping together. They all heard the same gospel. Remember the scripture, Epheasians 2:15-16? Jesus death on the cross ended the enmity, the seperate of jew and gentile. Now this is very important that you get this, THEY BOTH WERE ADDED TO CHRISTS BODY. THAT BODY BEING THE LORDS CHURCH!! Therefore jew and gentile must worship together in the same church. Jesus has ONE CHURCH. That one body is from one Lord, one gospel, one Spirit.
Friend Jesus came to MAKE US ALL ONE IN CHRIST!!!
Ephesians 2:15-16 Having ABOLISHED in His flesh the enmity, EVEN THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES, for to make in Himself of TWAIN, ONE NEW MAN, SO MAKING PEACE.
Friend if we are different from the Jews with regard to Jesus to God. Then we will still be fighting amongst ourselves who is greater, the Jews or the gentiles? Jesus made us all
One, SO MAKING PEACE.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him.


Friend Paul was being falsely accused by the Jews of telling Jews not to follow the law of Moses. Paul never told these Jews to not circumcise their children. But he was being falsely accused of this.
Acts 21: 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, nethier to walk after their customs.
This was a false accusation against Paul. Paul never told Jews who knew no other law or custom to forsake Gods law(law of Moses). Paul never taught ever, to go against what people had known to do. In these early times all the Jews knew was the law if Moses. But whenever Jews tried to incorporate the old covenant law of Moses into the new covenant of Christ. By binding circumcision as something that must be done to be saved. Then Paul would always reject the law of Moses if it were a matter of faith.

Following customs of the jews: Paul was ok with this practice. As long as it was understood that it was not part of the gospel of Christ, example Acts 21:26; Timothy, Acts 16:1.

Mixing the old law of Moses with the new law, the gospel of Christ: Paul condemned it. He would not allow it or participate in it. Galatians 1:6-10


Galatians 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Paul said this not because circumcision is the other gospel until the circumcision, jews. But because circumcision CANNOT SAVE ANYONE.

Galatians 3:21;26-27
Is the law(law of Moses) then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by law.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, THERE IS NEITHER BOND NOR FREE, THERE IS NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE: FOR YE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed(both jew and gentile) and heirs according to the promise.


Yes, they did have the authority to preach the one gospel among both jew and gentile. Thank you for realizing that their gospel was for ALL.


Wrong. I already showed that Paul had just as much authority to teach the Jews as did Peter and the rest of the apostles. Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings AND THE CHILDREN OF ISREAL.
Your assumption is incorrect that James wanted the Jews to follow after the old law of Moses AFTER they converted to Christ and became Christians. ALL OF THE APOSTLES TAUGHT THE SAME GOSPEL. Not one of the apostles believed as you do that the old law of Moses must be obeyed by some christians(jewish converts) and not other christians(gentile converts). THE LAW OF MOSES WAS NAILED TO HIS CROSS, Colossians 2:14.

The law of Moses served its purpose. It has been fullfilled by Christ. It has vanished away,

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new.

Epheasians 4:5 One Lord, one faith(gospel), one baptism.

When Jesus preached His great commission He used the singular, gospel. Jesus preached one gospel for all to obey,

Mark 16:15-16 And He said unto them, Go ye into ALL THE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be danmed.

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But he did not, for very good reasons. Galatians 2:7-9 emphasize that James, Peter and John had the authority to preach the gospel of the circumcision to the circumcised


Yes, they did have the authority to preach the one gospel among both jew and gentile. Thank you for realizing that their gospel was for ALL.

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Guojing said:

But he did not, for very good reasons. Galatians 2:7-9 emphasize that James, Peter and John had the authority to preach the gospel of the circumcision to the circumcised

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Titus Dorn said:

And I don't know how you can misinterpret what I am saying in the bold paragraph, to mean what you just stated. I stated clearly it was to the circumcised, and somehow you still managed to distort it to both Jews and gentiles

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Guojing said:

Without understanding Galatians 2:7-9 literally in the KJV, you will have to go into mental gymnastics, like what you did, to change what went down to Acts 21:18-25 to fit your pre-existing doctrine.[/QUOTE

Guojing said:

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings AND THE CHILDREN OF ISREAL:

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Does Acts 9:15 sound like mental gymnastics to you?
Are you reading all of my posts to you?

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Guojing said:

No Sir, not distorting.
I misread your post here, sorry.
And I also cannot understand why you hold this position that only James, Peter, and John had authority to teach the gospel to jews and not Paul. I have already proven this to be false. Are you reading all of my explanation to your interpretation of Galatians 2:7-9, Acts 21:18-25?
Have you read, Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings AND THE CHILDREN OF ISREAL: How can you still believe that Paul has no authority to preach the gospel to Jews when Jesus chose Paul to teach the Jews?

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Guojing said:

Acts 9 happened before Acts 15, where the decision was made by the 12, regarding who to go to which group.

Jesus told the 12 they had the authority that whatever they bound on earth, will also be bound in heaven.
Matthew 16:19

Thus, if all you have, to hold on to your doctrine, is Acts 9:15, we can agree to disagree and move on.

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Titus Dorn said:

I do not have a doctrine of my own. The only doctrine I follow is the doctrine of Christ.

Hardly. I have used multiple verses to show your DIVIDING up the new testament into dispensations were there are none. Now please, are you reading all of my posts to you?

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Guojing said:

I did, and I recognize that you are starting from different assumptions, that is why you are disagreeing with me.

I am just telling you I disagree with your interpretation of scripture.

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