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You can’t define a god into existence. And until you can prove one exists, then you’re not free to make one up - at least not in science. So take what you’re selling to your Sunday school class. Maybe they’ll buy.
Reality isn't necessarily confined to applied science. Only a dogmatic/religious physics would insist that reality is so confined, as several posters on this thread seem to have done.
 
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Reality isn't necessarily confined to applied science. Only a dogmatic/religious physics would insist that reality is so confined, as several posters on this thread seem to have done.
Reality is EVERYTHING. There is nothing more or less than reality. The only constraint we have is our limited understanding of it.

I really think you belong in the Christians only philosophy section. We expect evidence for assertions.
 
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Huh? He is a material soul (the divine Word) merged with a material body.
That sure looks like spirit in matter to me. I'm thinking that we're back to where spirit and matter meet and become One. It's where the Soul of God sits in the physical body of Jesus.

I think that Teilhard de Chardin had it exactly right when he said that:
"We are not Human Beings having a spiritual experience.
We are Spiritual Beings having a Human experience".
 
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That sure looks like spirit in matter to me. I'm thinking that we're back to where spirit and matter meet and become One. It's where the Soul of God sits in the physical body of Jesus.
The divine Word is in large part the material Wind/Breath (the Third Person) exuding from God's mouth and nostrils:

"By the [divine] Word of the LORD were the heavens made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth" (Ps 33:6)

When He speaks, He breathes/exhales the material divine Word as Wind/Breath (Ex 15:8-10). I'm not sure where you're finding "spirit" in all this. It's only matter.
 
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I really think you belong in the Christians only philosophy section. We expect evidence for assertions.
When it comes to being dogmatic about reality, you deny evidence even when it comes from physics experts, such as the links I provided.
 
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Reality is EVERYTHING. There is nothing more or less than reality. The only constraint we have is our limited understanding of it.
And when our assertions about it look like gibberish, it's time to stop taking them literally.
 
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You’re unqualified to make this assessment.
Here's two assertions:
(1) Moving my body by free will implies that free will moves matter. Fact of my experience.
(2) The BB happened NOWHERE, at an infinite density and zero volume, without any definitive catalyst, and then expanded into NOTHING, eventually producing light whose speed is constant relative to EVERYTHING, but please don't travel too fast because you'll dilate time, AGE faster, and approach infinite mass. All matter consists of dead particles that MAGICALLY become sentient. The BB also MAGICALLY produced 'forces' that MAGICALLY push/pull matter from a DISTANCE. Gravity actually bends the "fabric" of space such that straight paths are curved.

Gee I wonder which one of these two claims looks more like gibberish. Oh that's right. I'm not qualified to say.
 
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When it comes to being dogmatic about reality, you deny evidence even when it comes from physics experts, such as the links I provided.

An undergraduate student as an expert, :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:, you are a funny dude.
 
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An undergraduate student as an expert, :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:, you are a funny dude.
I was speaking from faint memory pertaining to 12 years ago. I don't really know for sure what his background was, and there were PLENTY of experts/articles on that site. I doubt they were undergrads.
 
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I looked up non-Euclidean geometry on Wikipedia and I'm having doubts about that too. Theoretically it might be fine but trying to imagine reality like that? Taking it literally? Where two straight parallel lines curve? Ok this sounds like it might be more gibberish.
Individuals with limited understanding find many things gibberish.
On the subject of non Euclidean geometry do you find this statement gibberish;
Ricci.jpg

Because
(a) It is completely meaningless to you like a language you are unfamiliar with.
(b) You have a profound understanding of the subject greater than any mathematician and are qualified to pass off the statement as gibberish.

Be honest now.................
 
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Individuals with limited understanding find many things gibberish.
On the subject of non Euclidean geometry do you find this statement gibberish;
Ricci.jpg

Because
(a) It is completely meaningless to you like a language you are unfamiliar with.
(b) You have a profound understanding of the subject greater than any mathematician and are qualified to pass off the statement as gibberish.

Be honest now.................
By gibberish I mean incoherent. Basic equalities in math are coherent, and more advanced ones are, by extrapolation, generally coherent. Beyond that, it depends what's on the right and left of the equation. If one side of the equation has "c" where "c" is presumed to be the constancy of light speed in all reference frames, that already sounds incoherent, because it seems to logically contradict the very concept of relative speeds. Notice that, in making this assessment, the basic component parts (light, speed, relative speed) are FAMILIAR to me. I wouldn't try to assess statements whose constituent parts are unknown to me like the one you gave.

Since you gave an example, how about I give you one.
"I gave a speech last week."
"Nice. Where did you deliver it?"
"Nowhere. Wasn't in space and time. But it happened!"

Be honest. Does that sound like gibberish to you?
 
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I wouldn't try to assess statements whose constituent parts are unknown to me like the one you gave.
Yet you did.
JAL said:
Since you gave an example, how about I give you one.
"I gave a speech last week."
"Nice. Where did you deliver it?"
"Nowhere. Wasn't in space and time. But it happened!"
You did it in your own mind .. which is precisely what defines the concepts of both space and time.

Make of that, what you will.
 
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By gibberish I mean incoherent. Basic equalities in math are coherent, and more advanced ones are, by extrapolation, generally coherent. Beyond that, it depends what's on the right and left of the equation. If one side of the equation has "c" where "c" is presumed to be the constancy of light speed in all reference frames, that already sounds incoherent, because it seems to logically contradict the very concept of relative speeds. Notice that, in making this assessment, the basic component parts (light, speed, relative speed) are FAMILIAR to me. I wouldn't try to assess statements whose constituent parts are unknown to me like the one you gave.

Since you gave an example, how about I give you one.
"I gave a speech last week."
"Nice. Where did you deliver it?"
"Nowhere. Wasn't in space and time. But it happened!"

Be honest. Does that sound like gibberish to you?
Your non answer by deflection is an answer in itself.
The equation which is fundamental in non Euclidean geometry is beyond your level of understanding.
When one derives the equation from first principles instead of rote learning, non Euclidean geometry makes perfect sense.

Hence your comment about non Euclidean geometry sounding gibberish is based on the argument from personal incredulity fallacy; like your comments in general in this thread.
 
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Since you gave an example, how about I give you one.
"I gave a speech last week."
"Nice. Where did you deliver it?"
"Nowhere. Wasn't in space and time. But it happened!"

Be honest. Does that sound like gibberish to you?
Sounds spiritual.
 
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