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Read the post above yours I did not read it correctly and fixed it before you posted.
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ETERNAL LIFE DO YOU HAVE IT?
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So I asked for clarification, and you refused. Does that make your refusal telling?
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I am sorry but I respectfully disagree. Are you being honest now? Do you want me to post the links where I provided you with clarification and asked you further questions for clarification on what you were saying that you refused to answer? Your hand waiving of the scriptures provided in the linked post and your refusal to answer any of my questions to you I think is telling enough. Of course as I said earlier you are free to believe as you wish as that is between you and God. I do not agree with your claims in our discussion so we will of course agree to disagree.
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The links were already provided in the full post you part quoted me in. Did you want to answer my questions now?
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Those don’t clarify anything since it’s those verses that I said need clarification. There’s no context, and no exegesis.
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Sure they do. You do not believe them though. So we will agree to disagree. There does not need to be context in topical bible study on subject matter as a topical bible study is a study on scriptural subject matter and in the linked post linked directly to the Greek and the Hebrew application to "if" which is conditional. Do you know what topical bible study is and why the Greek and Hebrew word application to H518; אם;G1437; אםἐάν; were used to show that the scripture promises of Gods' Word are conditional ("if" linked) based on believing and following what God's Word says is in the linked post? Do you disagree that God's promises are conditional? Or are you trying to argue that we can believe God's Word without following what Gods Word says which James calls the faith of devils in James 2:17-20; 26?
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This linked post here proves through the scriptures that Gods promises are conditional on believing and following what Gods' Word says. So if you disagree perhaps you can show from the scriptures why you believe God's promises are not conditional on believing and following what God's Word says if that is what you believe?
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Yes, John 3:16; John 10:27 a present tense hearing, believing, following are required to be of Christ's sheep/saved
The promise of eternal life can be lost if one quits hearing believing following Christ, 2 Peter 2LoveGodsWord said:
Yes, Hebrews 3:12LoveGodsWord said:
lost, John 3:18, all unbelief is condemnedLoveGodsWord said:
One can separate himself Jude 1:21LoveGodsWord said:
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There’s nothing to disagree with since you can’t even exegete one of those verses. You are assuming your conclusion. All I’m asking is for exegesis for one verse. Can you at least do that?
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Sorry but I respectfully disagree as the conclusions were drawn from scripture alone on a topical bible study to the conditional Hebrew and Greek words used for "if" and the supporting scriptures that show that God's promises are conditional to believing and following God's Word. You seem to be ignoring what I have been sharing with you. As posted already your free to believe as you wish as that is between you and God. Thanks for the discussion and hope you have a nice day.
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Believing and following what God's Word says to the very end are the conditions of eternal life (James 2:17-20; 26; Matthew 7:21-23; James 1:12; John 10:26-27; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-9; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; John 14:15; John 15:10; 1 John 5:2-3 etc). Believing without following what Gods' Word says is the faith of devils according to James in James 2:17-26.
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Can you provide context for any of those and show how they support your argument? Or do I have to do all of the work?
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Yes but it would make no difference to the outcome of our discussion which would be the same as it is now. Please go ahead prove why you believe my linked post does not prove that God's promises are conditional on believing and following what God's Word says. While your at it please prove from the scriptures alone that eternal life is not conditional on believing and following what Gods' Word says. I will be looking forward to your responses.
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Easy. You made a premise, and used verses that don’t support your premise. I figure thst this rebuttal matches your argument. If you’d like, I can post the verses and say that they don’t support your argument.
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Sorry it was not my words or premise that God's promises are conditional to believing and following what God's Word says as that came directly from the scriptures and the Hebrew and the Greek to the conditional words used and translated as "if". We looked at the Hebrew and Greek words to "if" as a conditional particle to receiving God's promises in the scriptures provided in the linked post earlier for both the old and new testament scriptures so it was God's Word not mine, so there was no premise my side as I read it out of the scriptures (exegesis) to draw my conclusions and provided the scriptures using the "conditional particle to "if". The premise is faulty your side as your the one claiming that God's promises are not conditional not me and you have no scripture to support this view. Not so east after all I guess. I am still waiting for scripture support your side that shows Gods' promises are not conditional to believing and following Gods' Word. Where are they? Anyhow take your time. I am going to get some rest as it is late my time. Thanks for the discussion
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Your understanding is incorrect. The verses you posted just don’t support your premise. Perhaps you’d like to show how I’m wrong by providing exegesis. Or do you want me to do all of the work?Sorry it was not my words or premise that God's promises are conditional to believing and following what God's Word says as that came directly from the scriptures and the Hebrew and the Greek to the conditional words used and translated as "if". We looked at the Hebrew and Greek words to "if" as a conditional particle to receiving God's promises in the scriptures provided in the linked post earlier for both the old and new testament scriptures so it was God's Word not mine, so there was no premise my side as I read it out of the scriptures (exegesis) to draw my conclusions and provided the scriptures using the "conditional particle to "if". The premise is faulty your side as your the one claiming that God's promises are not conditional not me and you have no scripture to support this view. Not so east after all I guess. I am still waiting for scripture support your side that shows Gods' promises are not conditional to believing and following Gods' Word. Where are they? Anyhow take your time. I am going to get some rest as it is late my time. Thanks for the discussion
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I am sorry, once again I respectfully disagree. Everything taken from the linked post was taken from scripture showing that God's promises are conditional to believing and following what God's Word says. You are still yet to prove your claims here or prove that God's promises are not conditional to believing and following what God's Word says. Your saying the same thing over and over without proving your claims when only God's Word has been provided to you. This does not make your disagreement come true as your arguing your words over Gods' Word. You will need to support your claims from scripture if your going to argue that Gods' promises are not conditional to believing and following what Gods Word says.
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